US 2024 Presidential Election

[Seanchaidh]

Funnily enough, you're making an identical argument to the one the tankies employ for Ukraine: the victim can't win, so stand aside and let the perpetrator do whatever they want without consequence or opposition.

You speak of course of letting the Ukrainian coup government do whatever it would to regain Donetsk and Luhansk over the objections of the people who live in those places; if they couldn't accomplish it without help, they didn't deserve to be safe from the Azov regiment.

There is a similarity between Russia before February 2022 and Hamas before October 2023 in that they both saw situations in which the status quo was just going to get worse and worse and there was no apparent means to change that without violence-- the Zionist terror state wasn't interested in stopping its ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity no matter what Hamas or any other Palestinian group might propose and the United States/NATO wasn't responding to Russian diplomatic overtures regarding the continually escalating threats against it.

Israel has plans for Palestine and 'Greater Israel'. America (and the rest of the blob) has plans for Eastern Europe and Russia. Neither can be negotiated with. And those who make peaceful resolution impossible make violent resolution inevitable.

Former KKK Leader David Duke Endorses Jill Stein - Democrats

democrats.org

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Heh.

Can't really think of a reason this should be concerning in the same way as Charles Koch's endorsement of Hillary was (though even that was more emblematic than a concern in itself). While it is easy to think of very concerning reasons for a Koch endorsement of a Clinton, and how it confirmed certain perceptions about her, Duke's endorsement is sort of baffling. Unless it's just because antisemitism led him to hate the Zionist terror state for the wrong reasons. Or maybe he isn't a one-dimensional archetype of evil, though I don't really care to investigate the matter enough to find out as he is simply not that important anymore. Maybe he's a two or even three dimensional archetype of evil like Biden, Trump, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, or Harris. (To be as vacuous as any among that lot requires three dimensions).

Why do you guys so often have to end up calling everyone who disagrees with you Nazis?

Nothing tippy2k2 wrote was inaccurate or an unfair characterization. The Biden administration has the power to very easily stop being complicit in genocide, and probably even to stop the genocide as well. Instead, they are doing the polar opposite. Harris has made every indication that she will continue that policy. If people are OK with reelecting that, then they are OK with being complicit in genocide. That is just accurate. If it makes people feel bad for their political favorites to be described accurately, then they should feel bad.

I appreciate that you might feel frustrated and pressured by so many people disagreeing with you, but there are better ways to deal with it. Not least because once you've gone there, those people will tend not to care what you say anymore. I might argue that's part of why the US Green Party, and many progressive groups, struggle to get anywhere.

Spoiler: Bors Comic

 

[Seanchaidh]

Sometimes, it's better to just lose and be Vietnam than it is to be Korea forever.

Vietnam won...

 

[Hades]

and the United States/NATO wasn't responding to Russian diplomatic overtures regarding the continually escalating threats against it.

There weren’t escalating threat towards Russia though.The only one making escalating threats was Russia. Every step of the conflict was first initiated by Russia and then escalated by them. Every. Single. One.

 

[Silvanus]

You speak of course of letting the Ukrainian coup government do whatever it would to regain Donetsk and Luhansk over the objections of the people who live in those places; if they couldn't accomplish it without help, they didn't deserve to be safe from the Azov regiment.

Nice revisionism. No matter what mental knots you tie yourself into, you're still on the side of the invader, using the same rhetorical tactics to justify what's done to the occupied population.

There is a similarity between Russia before February 2022 and Hamas before October 2023 in that they both saw situations in which the status quo was just going to get worse and worse and there was no apparent means to change that without violence

Yes, they're very similar situations! ...If Hamas had full control of their own state, and Palestine had never been attacked or occupied, and had instead been attacking and occupying other countries, the situations would be very comparable indeed!

Or maybe invaded =/= invader?

 

[Hades]

Israel has plans for Palestine and 'Greater Israel'. America (and the rest of the blob) has plans for Eastern Europe and Russia. Neither can be negotiated with. And those who make peaceful resolution impossible make violent resolution inevitable.

It’s only Russia who wants to reshape Eastern Europe by gobbling up its neighbors and insisting their victims should be withheld protection. The “plan” of the west is merely that those countries are independent countries and not Russia’s property.

Russia is not after a peaceful resolution. Russia's whole problem with NATO is that it serves as a blockade to its desires to violently expand into eastern Europe.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The “plan” of the west is merely that those countries are independent countries and not Russia’s property.

lmao

 

[Hades]

lmao

So its the US which has conquered and terrorized eastern Europe twice and which forbade Ukraine from trading before just invading or blood and soil? How curious.

 

[tstorm823]

Vietnam won...

If you think you are contradicting me, read it again.

If Israel had properly annexed the land, it would have had tp do this and even far more.

Was that ever an option?

Funnily enough, you're making an identical argument to the one the tankies employ for Ukraine: the victim can't win, so stand aside and let the perpetrator do whatever they want without consequence or opposition.

If Russia were doing better for it's people than Ukraine is, there might be a practical argument for that. Russia sucks, and just wants to exploit the region.

 

[Bedinsis]

Early voting started in Georgia. 328 000 early votes cast first day, up from 136 000 four years ago.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/15/politics/early-voting-record-georgia/index.html

The analysis claim it to be a tight race, slight lead for Trump since Harris has not had as strong support among Black voters as Biden has.

 

[BrawlMan]

slight lead for Trump since Harris has not had the as strong support among Black voters as Biden has.

Then those black voters that voted for Trump are idiots thinking he'll do better or make right by them.

 

[tippy2k2]

 

[BrawlMan]

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Because that went over so well last time. Even the Gen-Xers don't like that.

Harris campaigns in Pennsylvania; Trump joins town hall: Live updates

Donald Trump doubled-down on remarks in pre-recorded Fox News town hall with group of supporters hours before Kamala Harris sits for aired-as-live interview on network

www.independent.co.uk

Bring it on, ya biatch.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-could-happen-if-trump-rejects-us-election-results-2024-10-16/

Great job, Alabama. Glad to see my dad's home state still have some actual type of standards.

US judge bars Alabama from purging thousands of voters before election

Republican state official tried to remove more than 3,200 people from voter rolls on suspicion they were non-citizens

www.google.com

All 3 election workers in Wisconsin town of 800 resign

All three election workers in a central Wisconsin town of about 800 people have resigned over a longstanding dispute

www.google.com

More than 672K Michigan voters have returned absentee ballots ahead of Nov. 5 election

As of Oct. 15, around 31% of voters who requested an absentee ballots have returned it so far, according to the Michigan Secretary of State's Office.

www.freep.com

Trump Vs. Harris 2024 Polls: Harris Holds Narrow Lead In 2 New Surveys As Race Tightens

Most polls indicate a tight race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

www.forbes.com

 

[Chimpzy]

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It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture that celebrates violence

Confused, is it talking about games, or America in general?

 

[tstorm823]

Confused, is it talking about games, or America in general?

It's quite explicitly America in general, which "includes video games".

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Schadrach]

No other country wanted to have a huge, eternally unhappy minority. They would have pushed assimilation and integration.

It's probably hard to integrate a large number of Muslims into your Jewish ethnostate without damaging the whole premise severely.

Hamas would just end when there is nothing really worth fighting for anymore.

That seems to be the goal Israel is aiming for, just more from the direction Joshua would approve of.

Duke can go fuck himself.

I mean in general yeah?

But I actually support him doing this. Look at it this way - who is a KKK endorsement likely to take votes from and voters pushed away by a KKK endorsement are likely to go where?

US judge bars Alabama from purging thousands of voters before election

Republican state official tried to remove more than 3,200 people from voter rolls on suspicion they were non-citizens

www.google.com

They're supposed to remove non-citizens from the rolls as non-citizens do not have the right to vote. That said, they're also barred by federal law from removing people from the rolls like that during the 90 days before an election, per the NVRA. The whole point being to keep them from removing voters at the last moment to prevent valid voters from voting "by mistake".

 

[BrawlMan]

But I actually support him doing this. Look at it this way - who is a KKK endorsement likely to take votes from and voters pushed away by a KKK endorsement are likely to go where?

You have fun with that. I want none of it. Reminder: I am black.

They're supposed to remove non-citizens from the rolls as non-citizens do not have the right to vote. That said, they're also barred by federal law from removing people from the rolls like that during the 90 days before an election, per the NVRA. The whole point being to keep them from removing voters at the last moment to prevent valid voters from voting "by mistake".

Good and still good to know. The judge is doing his job and fucking over the e Trump fanatics trying to fuck legit registered voters over.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

What stupid things have Trump and friends said recently?

Zelensky "should never have let that war start":

Donald Trump blames Zelensky for Ukraine war

Former president says Ukrainian leader is ‘one of the greatest salesmen ever’ as he secured billions of dollars of military aid from US

www.telegraph.co.uk

"President Trump and I will stop this" brand new flavor of ice cream, says Vance:

JD Vance quips that Donald Trump will 'stop' rumored Skyline Chili ice cream flavor

Ohio Senator JD Vance said on X that he and presidential candidate Donald Trump will end Graeter's rumored Skyline Chili-flavored ice cream.

www.usatoday.com

Trump supporters who called Harris "the biggest fraud to ever run for office" because there was a teleprompter at her Univision interview have nothing to say about the teleprompter being at Trump's interview:

After mocking Harris, MAGA goes quiet about teleprompter at Trump town hall

Neither Trump nor Harris used a teleprompter at Univision townhalls, but the Republican's supporters haven't backed down from their false claims about the VP.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Trunkage]

We've been warning you #VBNMW people that if you keep just letting Democrats slide to the right because THE OTHER GUY IS WORSE that eventually we'd end up with a Republican with a D next to their name in office. Now that that has happened, you still have the gall to ask us to compromise on fucking GENOCIDE rather than stand up to Harris and The Democrats over their unwillingness to do a single thing about it.

I'll say it again and as long as you dorks keep whining at me that I HAVE to vote Harris cause otherwise Trump might win...

If Genocide isn't a deal breaker for you, feel free to vote for Harris but I will not be doing that. If Genocide can't even be a Red Line for you to not #VBNMW, there is never going to be a Red Line for you.

1. The Dems have been conservative. Always. LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama are all conservatives. Voter turn out for the Dems has been low for 60 years. And the Dems still don't change. It's who they are. Not voting or voting for them will not change that
2a. I'm not American.
2b. I don't vote for the same party in the two houses in my own country. I don't 'vote blue no matter who' in my own country
3. This genocide will happen
4. You voting or not will not stop this. You NOT voting is not even registered as a protest vote. They will pretend they act on your behalf anyway. Please stop pretending it will do anything. The system doesn't work like that
5. I understand why you don't vote Dems. You have had similar stances for at least the last two election and two mid terms.
6. This is a literal trolley problem. Voting for the GOP will kill ten people. If you flip the switch, it kills one person. I understand why people want to flip the switch, just as I understand that you don't want to

 

[Kwak]

Half the country thinks this is worth electing to power.