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[Seanchaidh]

Funnily enough, you're making an identical argument to the one the tankies employ for Ukraine: the victim can't win, so stand aside and let the perpetrator do whatever they want without consequence or opposition.

You speak of course of letting the Ukrainian coup government do whatever it would to regain Donetsk and Luhansk over the objections of the people who live in those places; if they couldn't accomplish it without help, they didn't deserve to be safe from the Azov regiment.

There is a similarity between Russia before February 2022 and Hamas before October 2023 in that they both saw situations in which the status quo was just going to get worse and worse and there was no apparent means to change that without violence-- the Zionist terror state wasn't interested in stopping its ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity no matter what Hamas or any other Palestinian group might propose and the United States/NATO wasn't responding to Russian diplomatic overtures regarding the continually escalating threats against it.

Israel has plans for Palestine and 'Greater Israel'. America (and the rest of the blob) has plans for Eastern Europe and Russia. Neither can be negotiated with. And those who make peaceful resolution impossible make violent resolution inevitable.

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Heh.

Can't really think of a reason this should be concerning in the same way as Charles Koch's endorsement of Hillary was (though even that was more emblematic than a concern in itself). While it is easy to think of very concerning reasons for a Koch endorsement of a Clinton, and how it confirmed certain perceptions about her, Duke's endorsement is sort of baffling. Unless it's just because antisemitism led him to hate the Zionist terror state for the wrong reasons. Or maybe he isn't a one-dimensional archetype of evil, though I don't really care to investigate the matter enough to find out as he is simply not that important anymore. Maybe he's a two or even three dimensional archetype of evil like Biden, Trump, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, or Harris. (To be as vacuous as any among that lot requires three dimensions).

Why do you guys so often have to end up calling everyone who disagrees with you Nazis?

Nothing tippy2k2 wrote was inaccurate or an unfair characterization. The Biden administration has the power to very easily stop being complicit in genocide, and probably even to stop the genocide as well. Instead, they are doing the polar opposite. Harris has made every indication that she will continue that policy. If people are OK with reelecting that, then they are OK with being complicit in genocide. That is just accurate. If it makes people feel bad for their political favorites to be described accurately, then they should feel bad.

I appreciate that you might feel frustrated and pressured by so many people disagreeing with you, but there are better ways to deal with it. Not least because once you've gone there, those people will tend not to care what you say anymore. I might argue that's part of why the US Green Party, and many progressive groups, struggle to get anywhere.

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[Seanchaidh]

Sometimes, it's better to just lose and be Vietnam than it is to be Korea forever.

Vietnam won...

 

[Hades]

and the United States/NATO wasn't responding to Russian diplomatic overtures regarding the continually escalating threats against it.

There weren’t escalating threat towards Russia though.The only one making escalating threats was Russia. Every step of the conflict was first initiated by Russia and then escalated by them. Every. Single. One.

 

[Silvanus]

You speak of course of letting the Ukrainian coup government do whatever it would to regain Donetsk and Luhansk over the objections of the people who live in those places; if they couldn't accomplish it without help, they didn't deserve to be safe from the Azov regiment.

Nice revisionism. No matter what mental knots you tie yourself into, you're still on the side of the invader, using the same rhetorical tactics to justify what's done to the occupied population.

There is a similarity between Russia before February 2022 and Hamas before October 2023 in that they both saw situations in which the status quo was just going to get worse and worse and there was no apparent means to change that without violence

Yes, they're very similar situations! ...If Hamas had full control of their own state, and Palestine had never been attacked or occupied, and had instead been attacking and occupying other countries, the situations would be very comparable indeed!

Or maybe invaded =/= invader?

 

[Hades]

Israel has plans for Palestine and 'Greater Israel'. America (and the rest of the blob) has plans for Eastern Europe and Russia. Neither can be negotiated with. And those who make peaceful resolution impossible make violent resolution inevitable.

It’s only Russia who wants to reshape Eastern Europe by gobbling up its neighbors and insisting their victims should be withheld protection. The “plan” of the west is merely that those countries are independent countries and not Russia’s property.

Russia is not after a peaceful resolution. Russia's whole problem with NATO is that it serves as a blockade to its desires to violently expand into eastern Europe.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The “plan” of the west is merely that those countries are independent countries and not Russia’s property.

lmao

 

[Hades]

lmao

So its the US which has conquered and terrorized eastern Europe twice and which forbade Ukraine from trading before just invading or blood and soil? How curious.

 

[tstorm823]

Vietnam won...

If you think you are contradicting me, read it again.

If Israel had properly annexed the land, it would have had tp do this and even far more.

Was that ever an option?

Funnily enough, you're making an identical argument to the one the tankies employ for Ukraine: the victim can't win, so stand aside and let the perpetrator do whatever they want without consequence or opposition.

If Russia were doing better for it's people than Ukraine is, there might be a practical argument for that. Russia sucks, and just wants to exploit the region.