US 2024 Presidential Election

[Satinavian]

Instead of spending the last year chastising people who were against genocide, they could have used that time to pressure Biden/Harris into not funding a genocide.

Sure.

That is why i always said that the protests were the proper measure to do something about Gaza. Build public pressure convince people to join. Do something about the fact that it lookes like the vast majority of Americans support Netanjahu.

But voting anything or not in this presidential election won't help the Palestinians at all.

 

[Silvanus]

1) Name a single thing in the Middle East he "bungled".

The withdrawal from Afghanistan. The betrayal of the Kurds. The withdrawal from the nuclear treaty. And the assassination of Soleimani, while not bungled, was a strategic misstep that escalated the risk of regional war.

2) He has something to offer that more competent people don't: the willingness (or perhaps just carelessness) to piss people off. Democrats and most Republicans won't do crap about a conflict that some of their constituents support and some don't, they'll just straddle the rhetorical line forever. Trump, in both good ways and bad, does not see himself as beholden in that way, which lets him break the status quo. It doesn't matter how competent other people are if they don't actually try.

He remains beholden to money. And money, in the form of countless defence contracts, is the primary reason for American (and British) support for the war.

 

[Trunkage]

Some people saw the injustice happening and decided to become better people. Others saw the injustice happening and decided injustice is fine as long as they get to be the one wearing the boots (and/or they could make easy money off of it).

I know you have to say this to make yourself feel better

All you did was sit out and let injustice happen

 

[Trunkage]

The withdrawal from Afghanistan. The betrayal of the Kurds. The withdrawal from the nuclear treaty. And the assassination of Soleimani, while not bungled, was a strategic misstep that escalated the risk of regional war.

He gave the green light for Israel to rachet up their settlement process leading to Oct 7

 

[tippy2k2]

I know you have to say this to make yourself feel better

All you did was sit out and let injustice happen

I voted for the lady who is against the genocide

You (presumably) voted for the lady who is Pro-Genocide

Fuck outta here with your bullshit mental gymnastics to tell me I'm the one letting injustice continue. We've been warning you for over a decade now where your LESSER EVIL horseshit would get us and now that it's absolutely proven correct as you LESSER EVIL your way to voting for a fucking genocide, you have the fucking nerve to chastise me for still taking a stand against it.

 

[bluegate]

Not what I was expecting in either case -

I don't think that kid rock has any right to use the word "class" after his dive into maga idiocy.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Probably should’ve never been VP in the first place.

The Obamas aren’t saving Kamala Harris. They’re exposing how bad she really is

Barack Obama might be wondering: wouldn’t the Democrats have been better off choosing Michelle as the party’s nominee?

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

I don't think that kid rock has any right to use the word "class" after his dive into maga idiocy.

Eminem did it first back in 2017, posted by CBS no less -


Not sure what possessed Rock to be more civil now but it’s a better look regardless.

 

[Agema]

2) He has something to offer that more competent people don't: the willingness (or perhaps just carelessness) to piss people off. Democrats and most Republicans won't do crap about a conflict that some of their constituents support and some don't, they'll just straddle the rhetorical line forever. Trump, in both good ways and bad, does not see himself as beholden in that way, which lets him break the status quo. It doesn't matter how competent other people are if they don't actually try.

I actually agree for the most part: Trump IS willing to piss people off and may therefore do things others would baulk at.

Unfortunately, the caveats to consider are also who he is prepared to piss off and why. The problem with "why" is that his primary motivation is most likely to be self-aggrandisement, and the who is therefore whomever he doesn't like. A quick look at Trump's statements and attitudes suggests he is vastly more likely to break the status quo by handing Israel a blank check instead of the substantial one the USA already grants it. And sure, to paraphrase, there may well be peace once Israel has the green light to make a desert.

I would also point out from a certain perspective that Trump's willingness to piss people off is also inimical to general democratic principle, and why he's authoritarian. At the point a leader decides he doesn't need to care what the people think, or that he can steamroller a segment of the population in favour of another, start worrying about whether there will be a democracy at the end of his reign.

 

[BrawlMan]

Not sure what possessed Rock to be more civil now but it’s a better look regardless.

Kid Rock is only "civil" now because he got his ass kicked so much verbally by the people he despise and still made himself the bigger fool. The man still hates anybody from the LBGTQ or those that support them. So I wouldn't call him civil at all. This is also the same man that made a song justifying statutory rape. That showed up in a kids' film.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Kid Rock is only "civil" now because he got his ass kicked so much verbally by the people he despise and still made himself the bigger fool. The man still hates anybody from the LBGTQ or those that support them. So I wouldn't call him civil at all. This is also the same man that made a song justifying statutory rape. That showed up in a kids' film.

The Osmosis Jones thing, ugh… yeah no secret he’s been a piece of work. Was just surprised he changed his tune publicly at all. Same can be said for Eminem, who had his own daughter on tracks at least two occasions where he brags about murdering her mother among other things. He also infamously spent a good part of his early career not caring what he said about LGBTQ. They’re both dipshits just the same shit’s at different ends.

 

[Agema]

He also infamously spent a good part of his early career not caring what he said about LGBTQ. They’re both dipshits just the same shit’s at different ends.

I have no idea where current Eminem stands on LGBTQ+ (and only a hazy idea where old Eminem stood), but I think we can recognise and appreciate people who genuinely change rather than hold grudges for their past, even if it's that they are now half a prick rather than the total prick they were.

As probably a standout example, take the late music producer Steve Albini. He was a colossal shit in his early days, but later in life unreservedly condemned his past behaviour, and refused to offer excuses for it or expect forgiveness. And you know what? All kudos to him. He decided to be better and took full responsibility for his conduct: that's a lesson for us all to look up to.

 

[BrawlMan]

The Osmosis Jones thing, ugh… yeah no secret he’s been a piece of work. Was just surprised he changed his tune publicly at all. Same can be said for Eminem, who had his own daughter on tracks at least two occasions where he brags about murdering her mother among other things. He also infamously spent a good part of his early career not caring what he said about LGBTQ. They’re both dipshits just the same shit’s at different ends.

The difference being Eminem stopped bothering and insulting the LBGTQ all the way back in the late 2000s. Technically earlier when he did that collaboration with Elton John. Eminem Has more than on one occasion admitted that he doesn't like a lot of his old work because it was either sexist or homophobic. He even admitted that he was high most of a time in a lot of his songs from the mid to late 2000s, and can't even remember a damn thing other than he did those songs.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I know you have to say this to make yourself feel better

All you did was sit out and let injustice happen

Voteshaming in 2024 is an ugly look bro.

 

[dreng3]

And the Supreme Court once again demonstrates that it has no credibility and will be entirely partisan in favour of big money and their masters in the republican party.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/30/politics/supreme-court-virginia-noncitizen-voting-purge/index.html

 

[Seanchaidh]

"Third Way found that, based on polling averages in battleground states, the 2020 margin of victory for Democrats would be lost in four states—Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina and Wisconsin—because of third party support" -- Jill Stein

Odd for her own strategy to rest on that same propaganda and familiarity bias! Unless she actually knows where her own support comes from?

What you are quoting is not a strategy. It also isn't specific to the Green Party. And do you even know what Third Way is?

But most importantly, it doesn't say anything about the propensities of potential Trump voters.

edit:

Also, this is the whole quote from the article you may have lifted it from:

"Third Way found that, based on polling averages in battleground states, the 2020 margin of victory for Democrats would be lost in four states—Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina and Wisconsin—because of third party support," Stein said.

"So they can't win. There's a fair amount of data now that suggests the Democrats have lost. Unless they give up their genocide," she said.

"We're doing outreach all the time to a lot of different groups but it's really been the Muslim Americans and Arab Americans who have really taken this campaign on like it's theirs—like they have enormous ownership over this."

This is literally about people who are alienated from the Democratic Party for a very specific reason: which is to say not likely Democratic voters-- at least in this election-- but former Democratic voters. These are absolutely not the same thing. The pitch is not that she's gaining support from likely Democratic voters, it is that the Democrats cannot win this election regardless because they have a genocidal policy regarding Palestine.

 

[Schadrach]

And the Supreme Court once again demonstrates that it has no credibility and will be entirely partisan in favour of big money and their masters in the republican party.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/30/politics/supreme-court-virginia-noncitizen-voting-purge/index.html

Let's be fair, they didn't know how they were going to rule on this until one week ago, when they got their marching orders in the form of an article from the Heritage Foundation.

On the upside, VA offers same day registration, so any impacted legal voter can at least re-register at their polling place. Given the purge was 1600 total voters, unless they're entirely incompetent at identifying non-citizens that's going to be what, a few dozen voters inconvenienced? It could be a lot worse.

 

[BrawlMan]

could be a lot worse.

It's still something that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

On the upside, VA offers same day registration, so any impacted legal voter can at least re-register at their polling place. Given the purge was 1600 total voters, unless they're entirely incompetent at identifying non-citizens that's going to be what, a few dozen voters inconvenienced? It could be a lot worse.

Except how will people know they've been impacted? Are they going to be told that they were removed from the voter rolls and need to re-register to vote? Is that something that people who already did early voting are going to pay attention to?

And how are they identifying non-citizens? Because yes, I do foresee incompetence in that given what happened in Texas when they did the same thing.

Gov. Greg Abbott boasted that Texas removed 6,500 noncitizens from its voter rolls. That number was likely inflated.

An investigation by ProPublica, The Texas Tribune and Votebeat found that U.S. citizens were incorrectly labeled as noncitizens or removed from the rolls because they did not respond to letters about their citizenship.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Agema]

And the Supreme Court once again demonstrates that it has no credibility and will be entirely partisan in favour of big money and their masters in the republican party.

I wonder whether the most effective thing might be for the three "liberal" justices to just resign in lockstep making their feelings plainly known. After all, 6-3 may as well be 9-0 on any key partisan issues, and if they're going to lose every key case anyway they may as well just depart with a "F*** you" that would stain the reputation of SCOTUS as long as any of the remaining six were still in it.

After all, if the Republicans are going to rig the courts (as the authoritarians they openly seem to aspire to be), potentially it's better to expose that for what it is rather than lend it a shield of legitimacy, withering dissents notwithstanding.