US 2024 Presidential Election

[Dreiko]

"He just says odd things" that is really down playing the stuff that comes out of Trump and dismissing it as "weird". Don't do the weirdos like that .

People had their pick from the jump and will downplay so much. My own eyes and ears that first debate was incoherent marathon and people pick was already determined with no swaying involved.

Nah man, I have my views on this matter yet still voted against Trump as a harm reduction vote and to get to criticize the democrats from the inside which is more effective.


Trump hasn't aged into being whatever you wanna word his condition as. He's always been thus, so it is not an outcome of age that he remains in that condition. Biden is critically different from how he was a few years ago. You have to acknowledge this.


I think I'm just in the unique place where I merely disagree with the policies, and don't actively despise the man himself, where most people either love him and out of that love see the policies through rose-tinted glasses too, or just viscerally hate him and take everything he does with extreme prejudice.

 

[tippy2k2]

Well I suppose the silver lining here is that Liberals will decide that Genocide is actually a bad thing now that Team Red will be in charge of it.

You'd think that eventually Democrats would realize that chasing after this mythical "Republican who wants to vote for Right Wing stuff but doesn't want to vote Republican" is a bad play but I guess not. If we get a next time, Democrats should try something whacky and actually try to get Left Wingers on board instead of running as Diet Republicans and chastising everyone for daring to question them.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Well I suppose the silver lining here is that Liberals will decide that Genocide is actually a bad thing now that Team Red will be in charge of it.

You'd think that eventually Democrats would realize that chasing after this mythical "Republican who wants to vote for Right Wing stuff but doesn't want to vote Republican" is a bad play but I guess not. If we get a next time, Democrats should try something whacky and actually try to get Left Wingers on board instead of running as Diet Republicans and chastising everyone for daring to question them.

Assuming they want to win/benefit their country more than they want to drift right.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Huh maybe Kamala should have had a policy at some point in the race.

 

[tippy2k2]

Assuming they want to win/benefit their country more than they want to drift right.

I mean, at some point you'd think Democrat voters would ask themselves that question but they'd also rather chastise those of us asking those questions instead...

Maybe managing to lose to Trump again will do it but it didn't do it the first time so I'm not gonna hold my breath

 

[Casual Shinji]

Well I suppose the silver lining here is that Liberals will decide that Genocide is actually a bad thing now that Team Red will be in charge of it.

Next you'll say the Liberals will decide socialism isn't evil because the Republicans hate it. They're more likely to join hands with Republicans in supporting genocide, just as they did when a socialist dared to become popular in one of their states.

 

[Dreiko]

That's fine, but who decides when an abortion is medically necessary.

The doctor at the time its needed or a panel of judges months after the procedure?

The doctors decide in a standard fashion, but if someone from the government believes that they erred they get to prosecute them, and then presumably a group of other doctors would testify and analyze the situation in front of judges months later, but either way the abortion will be performed like normal.

The argument is that because doctors wait too long to make their decision out of fear of being wrong, they are endangering women's lives. That is ultimately in the control of the doctor, they can choose to take a 3% risk and save the woman's life. It's not great but it's not the end of the world either.

Laying the blame at the feet of doctors who refuse to abort a pregnancy, on fear of (at best) losing their jobs, and (at worst) going to prison, is just unfair.

If the law puts doctors in an impossible situation where they have to chose between treating their patient, or protecting themselves from prosecution, that is squarely the fault of the bullshit law, and not at all the fault of the doctor.

Doctors who go outside of the law to safely abort pregnancies are definitely selfless heroes, but that does not make doctors who refuse selfish cowards, it makes them victims.

Yeah it sucks, but aborting babies who weren't medically necessary to abort is deemed as a greater evil here. So you have to pick between the two. Even at the worst case scenario, you don't just execute the doctor. The logic is to prioritize life over the small chance of a doctor losing their job. And we don't hear stories of all the babies that didn't get aborted that someone tried to but was correctly denied, and all the lives they got to live that would have been lost, because that kinda metric takes longer to transpire and longer still to be tallied. We're only seeing one side of the equation here so it's kinda lopsided to pass judgement with only this amount of information.

 

[Ezekiel]

I hate Trump, but hate Harris even more for what she represents. A talentless empty vessel, an instrument for the establishment/owner class who put her there (despite terrible poll numbers in 2016 [Edit: Right, 2020.]), with no vision of her own, insensitive to the will of the people. Looks like she's going to lose, and serves the Dems right for their arrogance. But, in a way, they wanted this. They would rather lose than divert from the status quo in any meaningful way and do what's needed. I predicted that Trump would become president again after the Dems failed with their Build Back Better thing by voting for one bill (the more corporate-friendly one) without the other bigger one, three years ago (and I also predicted that the bigger bill would then die). They are so weak.

 

[Dreiko]

I hate Trump, but hate Harris even more for what she represents. A talentless empty vessel, an instrument for the establishment/owner class who put her there (despite terrible poll numbers in 2016), with no vision of her own, insensitive to the will of the people. Looks like she's going to lose, and serves the Dems right for their arrogance. But, in a way, they wanted this. They would rather lose than divert from the status quo in any meaningful way and do what's needed. I predicted that Trump would become president again after the Dems failed with their Build Back Better thing by voting for one bill (the more corporate-friendly one) without the other bigger one, three years ago. They are so weak.

I don't think she ran in 2016, but yeah in 2020 primaries she had like at most 1% of the vote. That was my first point here. She's just a loser who got the VP seat as part of a deal Biden struck with Clyburn.

 

[Gordon_4]

Which is why we can basically assume his first act as POTUS will be to order the DOJ and FBI to cease all investigations and prosecutions of Trump or any of his co-conspirators and destroy all related evidence and records. Don't want to risk actual consequences if he doesn't die in office, after all.

Yes I was wondering what the move here was going to be.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I hate Trump, but hate Harris even more for what she represents.

Yeah, Trump is supposed to be evil, Harris in theory shouldn't be.

 

[Silvanus]

I hate Trump, but hate Harris even more for what she represents. A talentless empty vessel, an instrument for the establishment/owner class who put her there (despite terrible poll numbers in 2016 [Edit: Right, 2020.]), with no vision of her own, insensitive to the will of the people.

Which part of this doesn't also apply to Trump?

 

[tippy2k2]

Which part of this doesn't also apply to Trump?

How did you literally just get the "B..B...BUT TRUMP isn't enough to get people to vote for the Democrat" lesson for the second time and yet still immediately turn around and ask "B...B...BUT TRUMP!!!!" when Harris gets criticized?

 

[Hades]

I wonder how the upper class feels since this is the outcome of their dreams. They once again have a direct representative in the White House. And given how the inflation that dominated this election was exacerbated by the rich using the post pandemic chaos to ruthlessly price gauge they are likely overjoyed that they could sell their candidate as a ''solution'' to a problem of their making. Given that Trump is one of their own its very unlikely he's going to reign the upper class in anytime soon.

And with Thiel and Musk being so incestuously intertwined with the Trump team its clear as day the oligarchs of the world have been busy crafting a White house of their making. Something the working class needs to be intensely concerned about. Had it been in the working class' interest they wouldn't have done it after all.

Now I know its tempting to go ''hurr hurr both parties are the same about supporting the rich'' and while that's certainly not completely wrong, it mostly is. Because if that was true Musk and Thiel would not have acted as they did.

 

[Thaluikhain]

How did you literally just get the "B..B...BUT TRUMP isn't enough to get people to vote for the Democrat" lesson for the second time and yet still immediately turn around and ask "B...B...BUT TRUMP!!!!" when Harris gets criticized?

In fairness, the quote they were responding to says they hate Harris more, so presumably the reasons don't apply, or apply less to Trump.

 

[Dreiko]

I wonder how the upper class feels since this is the outcome of their dreams. They once again have a direct representative in the White House. And given how the inflation that dominated this election was exacerbated by the rich using the post pandemic chaos to ruthlessly price gauge they are likely overjoyed that they could sell their candidate as a ''solution'' to a problem of their making. Given that Trump is one of their own its very unlikely he's going to reign the upper class in anytime soon.

And with Thiel and Musk being so incestuously intertwined with the Trump team its clear as day the oligarchs of the world have been busy crafting a White house of their making. Something the working class needs to be intensely concerned about. Had it been in the working class' interest they wouldn't have done it after all.

Now I know its tempting to go ''hurr hurr both parties are the same about supporting the rich'' and while that's certainly not completely wrong, it mostly is. Because if that was true Musk and Thiel would not have acted as they did.

Kamala raised more from those types of people than Trump did, and it was not out of the goodness of their heart that they donated. They expected a return on investment.

Elon has a personal grievance against the woke folk cause his son was transed against his wishes through deception or whatever the story with him is, so I don't think it's economical motivations that spur him. Not entirely anyways.

My answer here is that both are interchangeable in this metric, with one caveat, that being Miriam Adelson and her radical Israel stance. Trump will literally let Israel annex all of gaza if not actively cheer them on.

 

[tippy2k2]

In fairness, the quote they were responding to says they hate Harris more, so presumably the reasons don't apply, or apply less to Trump.

I can't speak for Ezekiel so maybe it's my own lense coloring their post but I also hate Harris more than Trump. Not because Trump is better but because he doesn't smile to my face when he plans to plunge the knife into my back. His knife is out in front of me, eagerly waiting for the chance to spill my blood. I know exactly where I stand when up against Trump.

Harris has that same knife but hides it behind pretty language and empty promises AND she takes up the spot where an ally should be.

When I'm punching right and hitting Harris, it should be safe to assume I'm also punching anyone to the right of Harris (IE Trump). Again, maybe it's my lense and Ezekiel doesn't mean it this way but if I'm criticizing Harris for something Trump also does, I'm also criticizing Trump (and many of the other spineless ***** ass politicians doing the same thing).

 

[Satinavian]

You'd think that eventually Democrats would realize that chasing after this mythical "Republican who wants to vote for Right Wing stuff but doesn't want to vote Republican" is a bad play but I guess not. If we get a next time, Democrats should try something whacky and actually try to get Left Wingers on board instead of running as Diet Republicans and chastising everyone for daring to question them.

Won't happen. This election has proven that Americans love right winng policies and the only way forward for the democrats is to move even further to the right.

But whatever, you got your wish, Kamela lost. Go celebrate with your Trump buddies that you managed to teach those Democrats a lesson.

 

[tippy2k2]

Won't happen. This election has proven that Americans love right winng policies and the only way forward for the democrats is to move even further to the right.

Possibly but maybe for a fun and whacky experiment, Democrats should try to appeal to their base and The Left instead of trying to appeal to Republicans that aren't Republican enough to vote Republican. You know, just to see what happens. If they're gonna lose anyway, they might as well show us dirty Leftists that we're wrong and people don't want Good Things.

 

[Silvanus]

How did you literally just get the "B..B...BUT TRUMP isn't enough to get people to vote for the Democrat" lesson for the second time and yet still immediately turn around and ask "B...B...BUT TRUMP!!!!" when Harris gets criticized?

I didn't. All those criticisms do apply to Harris. Not being Trump isn't enough.

But Ezekiel specifically says he hates Harris *more* for these reasons, implying these criticisms don't apply to Trump. I'm simply asking why.

Is that OK with you? Are we allowed to criticise the President-elect as well as the losing candidate?