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But he's just so very right that the only reason anyone could tell him that he's wrong is that they just don't understand.
There's like a half dozen other people in the conversation who understand and disagree, and I'm sure if Trunkage understood he'd still disagree. But we're pages into conversation about moral systems by which one my judge an action like abortion and he comes in with the idea that we're talking about hedonism in the sense of "sexually active women are hedonistic", and that was never what anyone was talking about.

If you want to bring him up to speed yourself, you are welcome to. Or don't if you don't. Just don't degrade the conversation on purpose.
 

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Not confused. I'm just not you. Nor is America
A sizeable amount of America is, unfortunately. Assuming you meant them, and not confused, though given the stories about Trump voters finding out his policies might also applied to them, the latter also seems to apply.
 

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Awesome, Joe "I'm not going to pardon my son for his crimes because no one is above the law" Biden has pardoned his son.

So if people need more exhibits for why they don't trust politicians, here's Exhibit 531,677,112,631
The pardon covers any potential federal crimes that Hunter Biden committed “from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024,”

You reckon dad told him this was coming a bit in advance, so he could get some last minute crimes in before Dec 1?
 

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I mean, Trump just floated a sex offender he pardoned to be ambassador to France.

I'll continue to never give a shit about Hunter Biden
You personally might not but if Democrats are going to pitch themselves as the party that plays by the rules and isn't corrupt like Trump, shit like this is why the average voter doesn't believe that claim.

WELL TRUMP IS JUST AS BAD!!!

Doesn't matter. They'll just not vote for either because it's clear they're both corrupt. This is a clear cut case of corruption but Democrats will just hand wave it away because The Republicans do it too. All Democrats are doing is undermining their own claim that they aren't just as shit as Republicans.
 

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The pardon covers any potential federal crimes that Hunter Biden committed “from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024,”

You reckon dad told him this was coming a bit in advance, so he could get some last minute crimes in before Dec 1?
Biden didn't have the balls to do The Funniest Thing when he met Trump in the White House. Maybe he's just setting it up for Hunter to do the Funniest Thing instead...
 

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You personally might not but if Democrats are going to pitch themselves as the party that plays by the rules and isn't corrupt like Trump, shit like this is why the average voter doesn't believe that claim.

WELL TRUMP IS JUST AS BAD!!!

Doesn't matter. They'll just not vote for either because it's clear they're both corrupt. This is a clear cut case of corruption but Democrats will just hand wave it away because The Republicans do it too. All Democrats are doing is undermining their own claim that they aren't just as shit as Republicans.
What's the win rate on "they go low, we go high"?

Fucking seriously, Trump had been pardoning sex offenders, rapists, war criminals, murderers, corrupt cops, and/or family members left right and fucking center for 4 goddamned years and started installing them into the federal government and you expect me or the average voter to give a shit a guy who filled out an ATF form wrong?

They might both be corrupt, but there's gotta be a fucking limit on "they are exactly the same"
 

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What's the win rate on "they go low, we go high"?

Fucking seriously, Trump had been pardoning sex offenders, rapists, war criminals, murderers, corrupt cops, and/or family members left right and fucking center for 4 goddamned years and started installing them into the federal government and you expect me or the average voter to give a shit a guy who filled out an ATF form wrong?

They might both be corrupt, but there's gotta be a fucking limit on "they are exactly the same"
If this were packing the court or calling Republicans weird or doing any number of useful things that Republicans do for politics that Democrats don't, I'd agree.

This is naked corruption that does only two people any good, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.

THAT'S what makes this different than a plain old "When they go low, we go high". This is literal corruption so yeah...in this case, this is just as bad as Trump. Just because Trump does it more often doesn't make it OK for Biden to do it and Democrats defending this just reminds me why no one should trust any politician.
 

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If this were packing the court or calling Republicans weird or doing any number of useful things that Republicans do for politics that Democrats don't, I'd agree.

This is naked corruption that does only two people any good, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.

THAT'S what makes this different than a plain old "When they go low, we go high". This is literal corruption so yeah...in this case, this is just as bad as Trump. Just because Trump does it more often doesn't make it OK for Biden to do it and Democrats defending this just reminds me why no one should trust any politician.
THE MAN PARDONED GODDAMNED WAR CRIMINALS, THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN "JUST AS BAD"
 
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THE MAN PARDONED GODDAMNED WAR CRIMINALS, THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN "JUST AS BAD"
Blue MAGA is fascinating because Biden can do something openly corrupt like this and yet you can't condemn it, can you?

It's just more BU BU BU BUT TRUMP!!!

Amazing that "we're corrupt but not as corrupt as Republicans" somehow fails to get the average voter to turn out.
 

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Blue MAGA is fascinating because Biden can do something openly corrupt like this and yet you can't condemn it, can you?

It's just more BU BU BU BUT TRUMP!!!

Amazing that "we're corrupt but not as corrupt as Republicans" somehow fails to get the average voter to turn out.
You know what, you're right. In your moral perfection you have convinced me that owning drugs and an unregistered firearm is exactly the same as murdering foreign citizens.

These need to be equally condemned, and if I ever gave a shit about Hunter Biden for any reason, I'd care that he got a pardon.
 

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You know what, you're right. In your moral perfection you have convinced me that owning drugs and an unregistered firearm is exactly the same as murdering foreign citizens.
That's not the issue though is it? It's about using the powers of office for personal gain. That Biden's use is more petty doesn't make it less egregious.
 
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That's not the issue though is it? It's about using the powers of office for personal gain. That Biden's use is more petty doesn't make it less egregious.
Yeah, it kinda does actually. I'll agree that they're both bad as soon as y'all stop trying to convince me that Trump installing his disphit sex-offending/money laundering/war criminal defending cronies who have actual goddamned body counts into the highest echelons of power is exactly as bad as Biden getting his kid off a drug charge
 
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What's the win rate on "they go low, we go high"?
We won't know that until they give it a go.

They might both be corrupt, but there's gotta be a fucking limit on "they are exactly the same"
Well, yes, but on the other hand, saying they have to be Trump levels of evil before being criticised isn't great either.

But, ok, there's always people saying they are both just as bad, which obviously isn't true, but appears might have given Trump an election.
 
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Yeah, it kinda does actually. I'll agree that they're both bad as soon as y'all stop trying to convince me that Trump installing his disphit sex-offending/money laundering/war criminal defending cronies who have actual goddamned body counts into the highest echelons of power is exactly as bad as Biden getting his kid off a drug charge
You okay with unstable crack addicts waving guns around? The dem party is supposed to be against such things, but this is falling into the same vein as conservatives who are against red flag laws. But only for family members.
 

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You okay with unstable crack addicts waving guns around? The dem party is supposed to be against such things, but this is falling into the same vein as conservatives who are against red flag laws. But only for family members.
Dude's been clean for 5 goddamned years, what is the actual value in imprisoning him? And don't fucking say "it shows nobody is above the law" when it's coming in between 2 fucking Trump terms when Trump himself beat the fucking rap and he's installing sex pests and war crime apologists to his cabinet

I'd much fucking rather have unstable crack addicts then unrepentant murderers, for the record. I do, in fact, think one is worse than the other. Like I said, both are bad, but don't fucking tell me they're the fucking same
 

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Dude's been clean for 5 goddamned years, what is the actual value in imprisoning him? And don't fucking say "it shows nobody is above the law" when it's coming in between 2 fucking Trump terms when Trump himself beat the fucking rap and he's installing sex pests and war crime apologists to his cabinet
You can hate it as much as you want, but it shows that nobody is above the law. If the dems wanted to jail Trump, they shouldn't have sat on their hands so long to let him run the clock. It really comes across as a self own that he's getting off of these charges, apart from the documents case. As for appointing war crimes apologists, we are currently looking at that now in the Biden administration, he's been catching flak for being a war crime apologist. Not to mention at the start of his administration when he wanted to appoint someone who worked to bomb Libya and take their oil, got shut down, so sidestepped the official process to give them a job anyway. Like, you can't wave "war crime apologist" like the Biden admin isn't a bunch of war criminals who belong in the Hague. And to top it all off, he abuses his office to make sure his family doesn't face consequences for their actions.
 
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Alright, fine.

Buncha leftists thinking drug charges warrant jail time after the guy gets clean seems fucked to me, but what the fuck do I know. Apparently just as bad as stone cold murder, according to more pure leftists than I.

I don't even like Joe Biden, I've just never given a shit about Hunter Biden
 
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Alright, fine.

Buncha leftists thinking drug charges warrant jail time after the guy gets clean seems fucked to me, but what the fuck do I know. Apparently just as bad as stone cold murder, according to more pure leftists than I.

I don't even like Joe Biden, I've just never given a shit about Hunter Biden
That's a separate issue. If Biden came out and said "prisons are fake and gay" and then pardoned tons of drug offenders, that'd be really based. He didn't. His son is above the law, and he has the power to subvert the law in his favor.
 
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