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I don't know if there's a way to pardon part of a crime, or reduce a sentence? Hunter clearly did something illegal and should pay for that, but the punishment he got was way above what a normal citizen would have gotten for that crime, especially since he got a plea deal that was just cancelled for for political reason (crazy how quick justice moved in that case but slow walk the fuck out of attempting to overthrow an elected government).

By my understanding, the plea deal was tossed by the judge because it was for the gun charges but also said he wouldn't be charged for unrelated tax crimes, without even pleading guilty to either. That doesn't particularly sound like political persecution to me.
 

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I don't know if there's a way to pardon part of a crime, or reduce a sentence? Hunter clearly did something illegal and should pay for that, but the punishment he got was way above what a normal citizen would have gotten for that crime, especially since he got a plea deal that was just cancelled for for political reason (crazy how quick justice moved in that case but slow walk the fuck out of attempting to overthrow an elected government).
I mean, there are certainly ways more narrowly targeted than "any crime(s) this person may or may not have done over the last decade."
 

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I mean, Trump's FBI pick is specifically calling out all the witch hunting they want to do. Blanket pardons are definitely safer in that case if you don't want to see the first 20 year federal speeding offence.
 

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Unlikely that they will find anything. The German anti-vaxxer party throwing allegations around wildly is nothing new.
Attacking EU corruption is an easy ploy for nationalists - despite the fact that the EU is unlikely to be significantly more corrupt than their own home nation, and in many cases significantly less corrupt.
 

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But that's effectively your only offering as to why it is immoral to kill a person but acceptable to have an abortion. The only distinction you make is preference. Are you mocking your own perspective, or the idea of morality entirely?
no, there's a difference between mediating between preferences and assigning reasonable priorities to them (especially in cases when some of them don't even exist) and on the other hand defining a universal morality based on one person's preferences.
 

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no, there's a difference between mediating between preferences and assigning reasonable priorities to them (especially in cases when some of them don't even exist) and on the other hand defining a universal morality based on one person's preferences.
Question: can someone in your system prefer something wrong?
 

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Can the person with the "more relevant" preference be wrong?
That's not a question this framework asks or answers, as it is more meta-ethical. So it is far better at explaining why we even have morality (and notions of 'rights') in the first place-- to mediate between the preferences of persons (and any other entities) capable of communicating preference-- than prescribing any action in particular as "the morally correct action". But what we can say is that the one that is most deeply affected and actually has a preference is the one that should be empowered to decide. So indeed, exercising a right can be wrong. But that doesn't mean we should extinguish the right.
 

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That's not a question this framework asks or answers, as it is more meta-ethical. So it is far better at explaining why we even have morality (and notions of 'rights') in the first place-- to mediate between the preferences of persons (and any other entities) capable of communicating preference-- than prescribing any action in particular as "the morally correct action". But what we can say is that the one that is most deeply affected and actually has a preference is the one that should be empowered to decide. So indeed, exercising a right can be wrong. But that doesn't mean we should extinguish the right.
Then why reject the idea that some rules have intrinsic value? You can explain the existence of morality in this way ( though I obviously don't accept your view), while also endorsing certain guidelines we know to be expedient towards those ends. Thou shalt not kill will nearly always match your rationale, yet you dismiss the value in it.
 

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Attacking EU corruption is an easy ploy for nationalists - despite the fact that the EU is unlikely to be significantly more corrupt than their own home nation, and in many cases significantly less corrupt.
In fact I'm sure Le Pen's core voters find it a boon that Le Pen has been defrauding them since the EU ''deserves it''.

I actually haven't really heard much stories of corruption in the EU. Wasteful spending to be sure but nothing outright criminal. Except that one time an Orban aligned EU politician did a crowded sex party during covid lockdown.
 

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I actually haven't really heard much stories of corruption in the EU. Wasteful spending to be sure but nothing outright criminal. Except that one time an Orban aligned EU politician did a crowded sex party during covid lockdown.
That was the last one i have heard of :