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Hunter Biden has already been a story for quite a while for understandable reasons; if Joe Biden had pardoned him in a group of other people the media would have focused on him no matter.
There was a play where he could look clean, he'd just have to pardon Trump and/or the people arrested for January 6th.
 

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A US state? Which services are you referring to here, why would the state gov be negotiating?

Medicare was unable to negotiate drug prices until August 2022. It then gained the ability to negotiate for some drug prices, though those prices wouldn't go into effect until 2026. And they don't include Ozempic.

NB: the cost for drugs that did become subject to negotiation lowered by 35-75%. So negotiation obviously works.
At about the 2 min mark:

If the "list" price of a drug is over 10 times it's "real" cost, and the state can only negotiate 35%, then that drug is too fucking expensive.

I cant help it if you just pretend what I said
Firstly, you respond with nothing about what I replied with concerning capitalism because the problem with something in the US is rarely capitalism and it's because the government butted in (you know like socialism).

Here is literally what you said about abortion that you still won't admit you were wrong from nearly 2 months ago. And I'm still waiting on that proof that lockdowns saved lives.
The ONLY medical procedure that isn't covered by privacy is abortion. It needs to be restored
 

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There was a play where he could look clean, he'd just have to pardon Trump and/or the people arrested for January 6th.
Pardoning those trying to do a coup by definition isn't ''clean''. It would instead make Biden look as dirty as could be. It would also be highly dangerous since it would normalize coups in reaction to electoral defeats.
 
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At about the 2 min mark:

If the "list" price of a drug is over 10 times it's "real" cost, and the state can only negotiate 35%, then that drug is too fucking expensive.
Dude, 35 to 75%. Most drugs aren't subject to quite such an obscene markup as Ozempic, even in the US. And the US cannot negotiate on Ozempic.

I've already told you: a government healthcare system (the NHS) gets this drug for less than 8% of what it costs to Americans.

So what's the cause of the massively inflated price of Ozempic in the US...? The for-profit healthcare system, and the inability of federal entities to negotiate. Those account for over 92% of the cost. It's not inherent to the drug, buddy, you're getting shafted by the profiteering system.
 

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Dude, 35 to 75%. Most drugs aren't subject to quite such an obscene markup as Ozempic, even in the US. And the US cannot negotiate on Ozempic.

I've already told you: a government healthcare system (the NHS) gets this drug for less than 8% of what it costs to Americans.

So what's the cause of the massively inflated price of Ozempic in the US...? The for-profit healthcare system, and the inability of federal entities to negotiate. Those account for over 92% of the cost. It's not inherent to the drug, buddy, you're getting shafted by the profiteering system.
The for-profit side gets the drug cheaper...
 

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Pardoning those trying to do a coup by definition isn't ''clean''. It would instead make Biden look as dirty as could be. It would also be highly dangerous since it would normalize coups in reaction to electoral defeats.
You are one of a vanishingly small minority who think there was an attempted coup. It doesn't matter what you think looks dirty.
 

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Well no, we don't know for sure about any of that.
Now that's a concern.

the more of that, the closer we get to a case-by-case rationale.
Which is not the same thing as an act utilitarian calculation.

Knowingly creating suffering, while also knowingly providing zero benefit, would not be "fighting against tyranny" in any meaningful sense.
The attitude of the 'good German'.
 
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Mar-a-Lago conference recap -


 

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Mar-a-Lago conference recap -


To be fair, Trump is really proud of the COVID vaccine and kept pushing it even when his audience booed him. He just talked about it less and less, but he never dropped it. He's a notorious germophobe and is old enough to have directly benefitted from the polio vaccine. I would actually believe he'd not stand for getting rid of it. I actually won't be surprised if he touches no vaccines even with RFK in his ear.
 

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To be fair, Trump is really proud of the COVID vaccine and kept pushing it even when his audience booed him. He just talked about it less and less, but he never dropped it. He's a notorious germophobe and is old enough to have directly benefitted from the polio vaccine. I would actually believe he'd not stand for getting rid of it. I actually won't be surprised if he touches no vaccines even with RFK in his ear.
If they touch the Polio Vaccine then I hope the ghosts of Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin haunt them for the rest of eternity.
 
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Now that's a concern.
...what? I assume the fact that there was no substantial evidence for those other allegations was considered relevant at the time, which would be... why she wasn't found guilty and punished for them.

Which is not the same thing as an act utilitarian calculation.
Not the same thing, since most moral approaches will judge a situation on its circumstances. But the closer you're moving to case-by-case thinking, the further you're moving from rule-based moral philosophy.

The attitude of the 'good German'.
You believe that such people knew, correctly and with certainty, that their opposition to the regime would be of no benefit to anyone? How bizarre.
 

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You are one of a vanishingly small minority who think there was an attempted coup. It doesn't matter what you think looks dirty.
the right trying to rewrite their conduct doesn’t change they wanted Trump as an illegitimate president, took actions to make it so and stormed the capitol when they didn’t get their way.

It doesn’t matter that they say “but um um we actually said hang OUT WITH mike pence”
 
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It inarguably doesn't. The US (for-profit) pays 1,300% as much for the exact same drug (Ozempic) as the NHS (non-profit) pays. That's the reality.
No, they don't. The point is the "list" price is a super bloated price that no one actually pays (insurances/people that have insurance) besides like say the state insurance that can't negotiate or people without insurance. The for-profit side of insurance doesn't pay those prices.
 

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No, they don't. The point is the "list" price is a super bloated price that no one actually pays (insurances/people that have insurance) besides like say the state insurance that can't negotiate or people without insurance. The for-profit side of insurance doesn't pay those prices.
It is a fact that uninsured people can have to pay over $1,000 a month for the drug. It is a fact that insurance companies themselves pay $8k+ a year. It is a fact that even people whose insurance does cover the drug will still pay 300% as much as a British person for the same drug.

There is no interpretation here in which the American healthcare system provides Ozempic cheaper. Not to the uninsured, not to the insured, and not to the insurance companies. The non-profit gets it cheaper.
 
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It is a fact that uninsured people can have to pay over $1,000 a month for the drug. It is a fact that insurance companies themselves pay $8k+ a year. It is a fact that even people whose insurance does cover the drug will still pay 300% as much as a British person for the same drug.

There is no interpretation here in which the American healthcare system provides Ozempic cheaper. Not to the uninsured, not to the insured, and not to the insurance companies. The non-profit gets it cheaper.
This has become basically the same convo as the other one so just gonna end this one here.
 

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She gets down and bends the knee to The DNC every time and she keeps getting screwed over anyway.

I wonder if she'll eventually realize it and finally actually become a Progressive or if it's all part of the plan and she knows she's there to provide lip service to progressives so she can Shepard them into The DNC every election and is somehow fine getting absolutely nothing out of it. Traitoring for the love of the game.
 
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She gets down and bends the knee to The DNC every time and she keeps getting screwed over anyway.

I wonder if she'll eventually realize it and finally actually become a Progressive or if it's all part of the plan and she knows she's there to provide lip service to progressives so she can Shepard them into The DNC every election and is somehow fine getting absolutely nothing out of it. Traitoring for the love of the game.
Hmmm, I wonder why Pelosi would back Connolly over AOC?


Oh. tl;dr, Connolly is absolutely in on insider trading just like Pelosi. Surprise surprise.
 
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Hmmm, I wonder why Pelosi would back Connolly over AOC?


Oh. tl;dr, Connolly is absolutely in on insider trading just like Pelosi. Surprise surprise.

Speaking of Insider Trading...

Time for the Democrats "We need to do this really cool thing if ONLY we were still in power!!!!" statement (even though they never seem to say anything about this cool shit when they're actually in power...funny, ain't it?). If anyone needs Exhibit like....5,167,117 why I don't vote Democrat.