The current president of Mexico has an approval rating of something like 80% last I noticed. And it's not because she's friendly to the US.
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That is actually a fair point
But as I stated previously, I ultimately care way more that the ceasefire has happened over who gets credit cause Biden and Trump are both shit people who deserve to go to the deepest parts of hell either way. If Biden is responsible for the ceasefire, he's still going for not forcing it far earlier and allowing Israel to have an extra half year of genocide. Trump is going to hell cause...well... he's Trump. I don't think (most) people here need an explanation.
Everything being reported and what makes sense to me based on the timeline is Trump is primarily responsible for the ceasefire but I do not care ultimately who is responsible as long as it gets done (and Trump doesn't immediately fold like Biden does when Israel tap dances all over the "Red Line".). But the reason I think it was Trump who did it rather than Biden is all the news reports from Israel stating that as well as if it was Biden, there's no reason why this wasn't done in July then. Israel has zero leverage in these negotiations; this is a take take take relationship. WE'RE giving them the weapons and Israel is giving us happy thoughts; Israel has no position to demand anything of Biden. So if the ceasefire wasn't done in July, it's because Biden didn't care enough about it (or far more likely considering Biden himself has called himself a Zionist; he wants Israel to be allowed to do whatever the fuck it wants, including genocide) to force it to happen. Therefore Trump is the X Factor added that got the ceasefire to happen.
If it turns out everyone is lying and Biden is ultimately responsible, I'll give him the kudos instead (while simultaneously telling him he's going to hell for only finally growing a fucking spine in the last week of his presidency).
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The Philippines is too far away, and Cuba while being closer and likely a US goal is not reachable... right now, but is improving relations with the US.
The Philippines (and Puerto Rico and Guam) was a colonial possession of the US after the Spanish American war. Cuba didn't become one as the US was fighting (nominally) against colonialism, and went into the war promising not to simply oust the Spanish and take their place in Cuba. The Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico didn't seem as firmly on the table so no promises were made there (I think this was simply an oversight)...leading to ongoing conflict in the Philippines as the US betrayed the independence movement there (and Moro rebellion and .45 and all)
Netanyahu did try to sabotage this ceasefire again. Making additional demands after the agreement was reached, trying to claim Hamas was violatinmg it (which was not true). All the things we nkow from all the times before when a settlement was reached.
Only internal pressure seems stronger now because even the Israelis have enough from the long war and with the additional action in both Libanon and Syria even the military does want to end it. He might cave in this time and it looks like it. But that is not because of Trump.
I meant strategy-wise. The Philippines is too far away to assimilate the population and convert them into Americans given current transportation technology. Yes, we have ships there, but we would need more, and Americans don't want to pay for the full cost of administrating such as far away territory/possible future state right now. Cuba is a lot more doable, but it will take a warming of relations, more Cuban-US trade, and tourism among many other things to carry this out because the US isn't a bunch for Nazis that want empty land to settle for just its own people. If the people don't want us, and it's population is dense enough we can't do anything about it Cuba fits both criteria. But they have had better relations with us right now vs the Cold War and will have even better relations in the future.
Guam is interesting in that it's to serve as a base/non-state territory to check a superpower in Asia be it China, then Japan, or even Russia plus China.
This could have been ended by Biden at any point. The fuck is Israel using as a bargaining chip at these negotiations, their winning smiles? They have zero leverage because everything is flowing to Israel. There is no reason why this couldn't have been done months ago with even the tiniest of tiny amount of pressure by The US but Biden refused to do it, even as they spit in his eye (twice) when Biden said "Don't do X or else!!!!" and Israel did X and nothing happened.
Yes, Biden was only hot air. And yes, i agree, that if he put on actual pressure, he might have stopped it way sooner.
But that doesn't mean that Trump did more. He didn't. He actually did less than Biden, even if that barely seems possible and certainly should not be credited if the current deal works out.
I don't really care which one deserves the most credit (as it's likely a mix of Biden and Trump and Israeli politics). All I care about is that it was done.
But with the available information we have available to us, it sounds like Trump was the X Factor needed to get it to actually go through and all he had to do was put even a little bit of pressure on Israel to get them to break. Whether this break sticks around or not (it won't, it'll be on Trump to not back down like ***** Biden did every time Israel spit in his face by ignoring his demands) is to be seen.
All I know is that this happening this quick as Trump is getting into the office somehow makes my opinion of Biden drop even more than it already was at. This situation (again, based on the available knowledge we have) right now makes Biden look awful and incredibly complicit in Israel's genocide. It seems pretty clear to me here that Biden COULD have stopped this at any point but actively chose not to.
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I don't think that's possible. Bibi is taming some of his more bloodthirsty collegues. Bibi, compared to them, is the lesser of two evils and it would be so much worse if they got into power
I'd agree. Wagging fingers doesn't do much. But I don't think withdrawing support would have done anything. If fact, the genocide might have been worse
I'm really tired of people pretending that punishing rogue governments will make them stop. That they wouldn't kill a bunch of people out of spite or to show you that they can
I don't know if you've noticed this but people react to Trump and he doesn't actually have to do anything.
Eg. 37 people committed treason on Trump's behalf allegedly without him asking
Maybe start with the first sentence because that's a lie. EVERYONE has told you that they don't agree with Biden or support him
It does not mean you don't vote for him. That's not how voting works
Please stop lying about how people feel about Biden.
This isn't a tax plan or what to budget for or some shit. People voting for Harris know she was in support of letting Israel do a Genocide. Voting for Harris was a vote to continue the genocide. You can flower up your position all you want by saying "Oh well I support Harris but not THAT part" but a vote for Harris is looking to have literally been a vote for Genocide. If you can't put a Red Line for your support for a candidate at genocide (and yes, voting for the candidate IS supporting them), you do not have a Red Line.
But that's an argument that has been going on in this thread since everyone whined about me voting Third Party so there's no need to keep rehashing it.
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Trump on Elon Musk: "He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide."
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"It's the Roman salute guys." -Actual Twitter arguments
Though I fear this might bar me from ever visting the US ever again I will note that these people tend to act as if there are nobody out there with the will to act against them.
These people are so removed from the world that they do whatever they want, whenever they heil, they invoke nazi ideals, they attack innocents, and they believe they'll get away with it.
These people are so removed from the world that they do whatever they want, whenever they heil, they invoke nazi ideals, they attack innocents, and they believe they'll get away with it.