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Your definition of "beat" (and by extension, your reason for wanting to do so) is very important here, though.
Recommending covid boosters, it was why the 2 FDA directors quit.
I did say that... I said foods that take longer to break down in your digestive system make you feel full longer, and fat takes longer to break down. If you eat only egg whites, you're missing out on most of the nutrients in the egg. If you don't eat dairy fat, you're missing out on the C15 essential fatty acid.
No, that's your speculation, as we've already covered. Recommending covid boosters isn't "against science"-- science has no position on policy. It only has a position on whether they work or not. And they did, to a fairly significant degree, though efficacy waned with time. Whether that's worthwhile to mandate or not is a value judgement question for policy, not science.
Egg fat is primarily unsaturated. Milk fat as a source of nutrients isn't very important, as even your own favourite expert attests, saying it scarcely makes a difference.
And fat stored in adipose doesn't help with satiety. You're always going on about the danger of obesity, and now you're encouraging the exact mechanism that causes long-term fat storage.
In the light of the second comment, the first comment is just delusion. It's even dangerous delusion.
The simple reality of the world is that whoever is at the top has the hardest work making progress, because everyone else behind can just copy things already invented that work. The USA is roughly the top, so everyone else is likely to catch up. There's no realistic or humane way to stop them.
No, the science says covid boosters don't do anything for a majority of the population. Even freaking Paul Offit told his own son not to get a booster.
But people get egg whites only because they were told the yolk is bad for them. Again, dairy fat has the C15 essential fatty acid that humans mainly get from dairy fat.
Why are you talking about fat stored in adipose? I'm talking about EATING fat and how long it takes to DIGEST, nothing about it being stored. Everything eventually gets stored as fat if you eat extra "energy". IIRC simple carbs like sugar get stored as fat even faster than fat would. Just because you ate some fat doesn't mean it gets stored as fat, same thing with carbs/protein. If it's easier for you to eat less food, you'll gain less weight or lose weight. If you eat foods that don't satiate you and have low nutrient density, it's that much easier to overeat and become obese.
Bollocks.
I've never seen anyone advised to only eat the albumen to avoid yolk fat. Never.
And your own favourite expert says milk fat isn't important.
Influence of dietary saturated fat content on adiposity, macrophage behavior, inflammation, and metabolism: composition matters - PMC
We examined the effects of three high-fat diets (HFD), differing in the percentage of total calories from saturated fat (SF) (6%, 12%, and 24%) but identical in total fat (40%), on body composition, macrophage behavior, inflammation, and metabolic ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Do some reading on how fat composition affects adiposity.
It's true...Bollocks.
I've never seen anyone advised to only eat the albumen to avoid yolk fat. Never.
And your own favourite expert says milk fat isn't important.
Influence of dietary saturated fat content on adiposity, macrophage behavior, inflammation, and metabolism: composition matters - PMC
We examined the effects of three high-fat diets (HFD), differing in the percentage of total calories from saturated fat (SF) (6%, 12%, and 24%) but identical in total fat (40%), on body composition, macrophage behavior, inflammation, and metabolic ...
Do some reading on how fat composition affects adiposity.
The egg yolk contains the cholesterol and fat, hence it was advised not to eat. FDA haven't even considered eggs as healthy unto recently. C15 was just discovered.
You know that mice lie, right?
Prove it.
Where's this guidance to eat the albumen, but not the yolk, of eggs? Keep in mind: simply not being labelled "healthy" isn't the same.
You know that an enormous amount of our knowledge of human medicinal and nutritional biology comes from animal studies, right?
That's not how science works, it's on you to prove your claim that something works. I can't just say my concoction cures cancer, you say it doesn't, and the onus is on you to disprove it; it's on me to prove it first.
Another mixed message came in August 2021: President Joe Biden promoted booster shots for American adults even though boosters had not been approved by the FDA yet.
A month later, the FDA advisory committee overwhelmingly voted against the recommendation to offer boosters to people under age 65, because there wasn’t enough evidence at the time that an extra dose would improve protection to people of all ages.
Paul Offit looks back on COVID-19, misinformation, and how public health lost the public’s trust in new book
"Tell Me When It's Over" chronicles the first years of the COVID-19 pandemic, and the mishaps of public health agencies.
www.inquirer.com
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The American Heart Association suggests one egg (or two egg whites) per day for people who eat them, as part of a healthy diet.
Egg whites provide plenty of protein without the cholesterol of the yolk. Carson recalled making lower-cholesterol scrambled eggs for her children by combining two eggs with two egg whites.
Are eggs good for you or not?
The egg is standard breakfast fare, but many people may be wondering whether eggs are healthy.
There's literally no evidence that dietary cholesterol is bad for you, yet the guidance is to not eat it... I must be about to have a heart attack because I had a 6 egg omelette yesterday with ham and cheese (not the stupid low fat variety either). That's a super healthy meal that official government guidelines would say isn't healthy. My mom's doctor literally told her to limit egg consumption to 2 eggs a week, where do you think he got that guidance from?
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Yet the overwhelming majority of human studies show eating low fat diets has people losing less weight than a higher fat diet.
Long-term COVID-19 booster effectiveness by infection history and clinical vulnerability and immune imprinting: a retrospective population-based cohort study - PMC
Long-term effectiveness of COVID-19 mRNA boosters in populations with different previous infection histories and clinical vulnerability profiles is inadequately understood. We aimed to investigate the effectiveness of a booster (third dose) ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
When you are disputing the scientific consensus, drawn from study after study, then yes you need some fucking proof.
Incredible, you've provided guidance that includes eating eggs, yolk and all. Thank you.
There's heaps of evidence for the harms of overabundant cholesterol. There's no evidence you'll accept, because as soon as a study or scientific body says something you dislike you'll dismiss it on the flimsiest grounds, and you obviously want to continue with your insane diet.
We were talking about saturated vs unsaturated fat specifically. I'd love to see the studies showing high saturated fat as a proportion of overall fat intake is better for weight loss.
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I'm going to side with Phoenixmgs on this one because this absolutely happens in the fitness and health communities.
If you go on any bodybuilding/weight lifting forum or youtube channel, and a bunch of weight-loss channels (especially ones targeting women) you will see the advice to buy cartons of egg whites and use those in place of whole eggs to reduce your fat intake.
This isn't necessarily unhealthy advice though. Bodybuilders who are using eggs as a significant source of protein are eating like 6 eggs in a sitting, and in that case the yolk is a significant source of fat. The best advice in that situation would actually be to have 2 whole eggs and add a certain amount of egg white to them to balance out the amount of fat and protein intake for optimized macros. There are plenty of people who try to cut as much fat out of their diet as possible though (often to unhealthy degrees) who would advise to only eat egg whites. These people are wrong, but they exist and they have a following.
For "normal" people though who aren't weigh lifters or body builders and are eating a reasonable amount of eggs eating whole eggs should be desirable as some fat is a necessary part of nutritional balance.
It's not scientific consensus, every peer country never recommended covid boosters for all.Long-term COVID-19 booster effectiveness by infection history and clinical vulnerability and immune imprinting: a retrospective population-based cohort study - PMC
Long-term effectiveness of COVID-19 mRNA boosters in populations with different previous infection histories and clinical vulnerability profiles is inadequately understood. We aimed to investigate the effectiveness of a booster (third dose) ...
When you are disputing the scientific consensus, drawn from study after study, then yes you need some fucking proof.
Incredible, you've provided guidance that includes eating eggs, yolk and all. Thank you.
There's heaps of evidence for the harms of overabundant cholesterol. There's no evidence you'll accept, because as soon as a study or scientific body says something you dislike you'll dismiss it on the flimsiest grounds, and you obviously want to continue with your insane diet.
We were talking about saturated vs unsaturated fat specifically. I'd love to see the studies showing high saturated fat as a proportion of overall fat intake is better for weight loss.
Why would someone say when making kids 4 eggs, 2 should be egg whites only? Why are you giving kids less nutrients? Also, stop gaslighting me, eggs have been like the most controversial food in history. They say the cholesterol is bad when it's not.
Why Dietary Cholesterol Does Not Matter (For Most People)
The role of dietary cholesterol in human health has been a controversial topic. Here’s a look at the research on dietary cholesterol and the
www.healthline.com
You think these studies had people eating just fats that weren't saturated? The Minnesota Coronary study debunked that replacing saturated fats with other fats was worse for your heart. Saturated fats aren't the bad guy and they don't oxidize easily, there's no reason to avoid them.
Well OK, but that's the fitness/bodybuilding community, which is rife with absurd advice or advice that is definitely not serviceable for the general public. There's not been any FDA guidance to that effect.
Policy. Isn't. A. Matter. Of. Scientific. Consensus.
Science tells us what they do. Policy determines what government does with that.
No idea, but that's not what you claimed. You provided guidance to eat eggs.
Think you need to quickly review what we've been talking about. That link is about how the link between dietary cholesterol and LDL isn't necessarily causal, and the former may not be harmful. I said the danger of overabundant cholesterol was clear-- referring to LDL.Why Dietary Cholesterol Does Not Matter (For Most People)
The role of dietary cholesterol in human health has been a controversial topic. Here’s a look at the research on dietary cholesterol and the
I'd still love to see these studies showing the benefits and harmlessness of high saturated fat.
Where is the science that says everyone should get a covid booster? If it's a scientific consensus, I'm sure that will be easy for you to provide.
I provided guidance on eating egg whites. Why would anyone even consider removing the yolks on their own if they weren't told to (unless they didn't like the taste or something like that)? Eggs were considered unhealthy and something to limit in your diet because of their dietary cholesterol. You want me to follow guidance from official sources when they told people that arguably the most healthy food is something you should heavily limit in your diet? Also, LDL itself isn't bad for you, it's the quality of your LDL that matters.
This is the flawed logic of decades that had people thinking eggs were bad or to eat egg whites only. Stop gaslighting me and acting like this wasn't a thing, it's still a thing because doctors still recommend limiting eggs for the most part.
For most people, an egg a day does not increase your risk of a heart attack, a stroke, or any other type of cardiovascular disease.
In the past, it seemed logical to think eggs would be bad for your heart health. We knew that the cholesterol in eggs came from the egg yolks, and we knew that high levels of cholesterol, especially LDL (bad) cholesterol in the blood increased the risk of cardiovascular disease. So, it seemed logical that avoiding cholesterol in the diet made sense.
Since then, however, research has shown that most of the cholesterol in our body is made by our liver — it doesn't come from cholesterol we eat.
Are eggs risky for heart health? - Harvard Health
Large studies have not found evidence of higher rates of heart attacks, strokes, or other cardiovascular diseases in people who eat up to one egg per day....
www.health.harvard.edu
I never said to just eat saturated fat and that would be good for you. I said replacing saturated fats with other fats along with removing them from foods is bad for you. For example, removing fat from diary is making you lose C15 essential fatty acid that gives added protection against diabetes. A lot of guidance is only making it harder for people to be healthy. Guidance is supposed to help people be healthy, not make it harder.
Once again: policy isn't a matter of scientific consensus.
...which also advised eating eggs, yolk and all.
Yet again you've provided a whole ream of info about how dietary cholesterol and LDL do not have a direct causal link. Which I already know, and never disputed. I was talking about the harms of an overabundance of LDL. Not dietary cholesterol, and not claiming one directly causes the other.This is the flawed logic of decades that had people thinking eggs were bad or to eat egg whites only. Stop gaslighting me and acting like this wasn't a thing, it's still a thing because doctors still recommend limiting eggs for the most part.
For most people, an egg a day does not increase your risk of a heart attack, a stroke, or any other type of cardiovascular disease.
In the past, it seemed logical to think eggs would be bad for your heart health. We knew that the cholesterol in eggs came from the egg yolks, and we knew that high levels of cholesterol, especially LDL (bad) cholesterol in the blood increased the risk of cardiovascular disease. So, it seemed logical that avoiding cholesterol in the diet made sense.
Since then, however, research has shown that most of the cholesterol in our body is made by our liver — it doesn't come from cholesterol we eat.
Are eggs risky for heart health? - Harvard Health
Large studies have not found evidence of higher rates of heart attacks, strokes, or other cardiovascular diseases in people who eat up to one egg per day....
No, you were blathering on about loads of saturated fat being a-ok and not causing anyone any problems. Which is definitely not in line with the scientific consensus.
