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Agema

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We're talking about spectrums of philosophy, practical results are not the priority. I understand there is a lot more obvious practical application of smooshing together everyone who might disagree with you and pretending they are an opposing side than there is trying to understand where different people stand philosophically, but that doesn't make it better. You've just discovered very efficient evil.
Are you explaining yourself here?

You appear to be describing exactly what you are attempting to do when you smoosh populism into some amorphous blob of what you consider "left wing".
 
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Are you explaining yourself here?

You appear to be describing exactly what you are attempting to do when you smoosh populism into some amorphous blob of what you consider "left wing".
Do you think I'm saying populism is bad?

It's not an amorphous blob I'm creating, it's a conception of left and right with some consistency going back to the source of that terminology from the French Revolution. The right was for the monarchy, the left was for the Republic. One was for power with the people, one was subservient to the royalty and clergy. You cannot, no matter how hard you try, put populism on the right side of that spectrum. You may have an individual of populist thinking support other ideas you could place on the right side, but the populism itself is a left-wing idea. I'm not saying that is good or bad, it just is.

The internet's idea of left and right has no connection at all to the roots of the terminology, or to any history, or logic, or reason. It is an ever shifting, often contradictory purity test to decide who gets to sit in the cool kids club. If you have an individual that is libertarian, that is liberal in all social policies and anti-authoritarian, the internet says they're right wing cause they aren't socialist, and you have to be socialist to be in the cool kids club. If you have an individual who is a socialist, who wants universal healthcare, and housing, and food, and basic income, and all that jazz, but maybe they don't think trans is a real biological category, oops they're also right wing because you have to be pro-trans to be in the cool kids club. Maybe someone is the best of both of those, and supports all the communist dictates, and wants all the social justice, and should be left wing by every conceivable measure except they support Israel over Hamas, sorry, also right-wing, because you have to oppose Israel to be in the cool kids club.

I've said it many times, by any analysis of actual policies, the US is well onto the left side of the global political spectrum (yes, even including Europe). Liberal laws, high social spending, global leadership in all the left-leaning circles, but the US just has to be right-wing according to the internet, its the definition, because at this moment in history, you have to hate the United States to be in the cool kids club. That's the rule. And you're right, that idea of left and right is a quite useful representation of the real world in as much as its a forced perspective on the real world. You can see exactly who the hivemind hates (and wants you to hate) by what people call "right wing". That's their only rule.
 

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A Republican is calling for the deportation of the bishop who called for Trump to show mercy to immigrants and LGBTQ+ citizens.


Is she actually a US citizen? Who cares?! If you criticize the Emperor, you gotta go!
 

Agema

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It's not an amorphous blob I'm creating, it's a conception of left and right with some consistency going back to the source of that terminology from the French Revolution. The right was for the monarchy, the left was for the Republic. One was for power with the people, one was subservient to the royalty and clergy. You cannot, no matter how hard you try, put populism on the right side of that spectrum. You may have an individual of populist thinking support other ideas you could place on the right side, but the populism itself is a left-wing idea. I'm not saying that is good or bad, it just is.
Populism is perhaps not so much a political ideology as it is an attitude or strategy. It sets a notion of the "common man" usually against the "elites", and that the political system defies the popular will, usually due to the corruption of these elites. Politicians can therefore posture as the true representations of popular will, who can sweep away the corrupt interests and restore proper power to the common man. However, there's nothing that says that the real will of the people and elites are as presented / believed by populists. Populist movements often aren't a majority of the population, and the elites they're attacking aren't necessarily the ones holding back popular will either. Populist leaders may also be dishonestly exploiting the movement for their own interests, which is particularly ironic.

There's nothing inherently left wing about populism. I could agree that it requires democratic principles. However, the monarchy is just anachronism: in Western society monarchy has long since dwindled away in relevance. Right wings across times and places tend to common attitudes (traditionalism, social hierarchy, nationalism, etc.), but perhaps most simply the right wing approximates to the section(s) of society that benefits most from the existing status quo, thus is contexual to time and place. We live in democracies where the right has long since functioned as part of democracy, so the right can express populism.

The internet's idea of left and right has no connection at all to the roots of the terminology, or to any history, or logic, or reason.
Yeah, there are a lot of misconceptions and lazy accusations out there, sure. However, pointing out other people's inadequacies doesn't make you right, either.

Comparing US politics to the whole world isn't necessarily useful, because the circumstances of the USA differ so much from so many countries. As above, right and left involve some contextual sensitivity to place and time. It might be more useful to compare the USA to other developed countries, because it reduces a lot of the technological, social and cultural differences that confound comparison.

Broadly, on a wide range of measures, the USA can be characterised as more right wing than a lot of comparable developed countries: more capitalist (as capitalism sums up society's most powerful, so what benefits capitalist interests can be argued as tradition, status quo and thus right wing); more unequal; and in much recent history it's also been relatively slow on numerous markers of social progress - at least in terms of legislating rights, even if its culture has provided a lot of the ideas promoting those rights.
 

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A Republican is calling for the deportation of the bishop who called for Trump to show mercy to immigrants and LGBTQ+ citizens.
I guess that's what happens when you let women become priests. Maybe that should be rolled back, too, put some more "masculine energy" back into Christianity.
 

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I guess that's what happens when you let women become priests. Maybe that should be rolled back, too, put some more "masculine energy" back into Christianity.
As if the still male-priest-only Catholics and their pope ever had a good word to say about Trump or the current day Republicans. But of course when Protestants say it it gets more attention in the USA.
 

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They should make a comic called "The Adventures of Woke Jesus" and it'll all just stuff lifted directly from the New Testament.

PS: I know about those evangelicals calling Jesus too "liberal" and "weak"
 
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