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Right now, I do want to make it clear that this is only one agency within the DoD, not even the DoD as a whole, and definitely not a federal wide thing. However, from tiny acorns, oaks grow.

 

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A commercial plane collided with a Blackhawk helicopter, likely killing the majority of the 60-70 people last night in DC


Thankfully we have a strong leader in the White House putting out perfect statements like this! #MAGA

Edit: lol we're all gonna die

 
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I can't find where he said that. The foundation that writes it also didn't like how little Trump cared about it in his 1st term. The people that wrote it are conservatives, it's not shocking that a republican president would appoint people that are from conservative circles. Plus, half the things people say are in Project 2025 aren't even in it and this document gets released every election cycle for last 40 years. Thus, I see no reason to be worried about Project 2025.
In a response to you on 11/13/24 in the "Funny Events in anti-woke World" thread I linked to this post on Xitter:


In case a 30s video is too much for you, it's Trump giving a speech for the Heritage Foundation about the Project 2025 working group and let me quote: "But this is a great group. And they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America, and that’s coming. That’s coming."

To quote from your reply to it back then: "Someone saying what the other person (group) wants to hear in politics, I'm super shocked by that! The president also just can't do all these things either. "

The timeline of this federal funding freeze saga is so fucking insane.

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...and that takes us to today. Have I got that in the right order? What a coms clusterfuck.
Pretty much. WV DHHR had a meeting with the Governor yesterday because the Governor is concerned about whether or not this is going to go through, if it will effect this month's grant disbursement and how do we keep Medicaid running if it does. I suspect someone told him how many of his voters are on Medicaid and how people losing their healthcare shortly after he takes office might not want to reelect him next time. Even Big Jim and Babydog managed to keep Medicaid running.
 

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In a response to you on 11/13/24 in the "Funny Events in anti-woke World" thread I linked to this post on Xitter:


In case a 30s video is too much for you, it's Trump giving a speech for the Heritage Foundation about the Project 2025 working group and let me quote: "But this is a great group. And they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America, and that’s coming. That’s coming."

To quote from your reply to it back then: "Someone saying what the other person (group) wants to hear in politics, I'm super shocked by that! The president also just can't do all these things either. "
So that was before the document was even written. It is partly him playing nice with the foundation to get support (I'm sure Kamala/Biden buddy'd up with the liberal equivalent group). He is a republican so there's going to be some common ground of what Trump want to do and what the foundation would like to do. And, again, half of the stuff people said is in Project 2025 isn't in the document.
 

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TLDR: We will be dead before Canada and Greenland can be mined.


But the ball has been rolled.
 

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Bad News everyone. I'm starting to think that Trump might be an idiot...
I once had faith that a democratic population would look at a politician ranting that dementedly and ridculously and decisively lose faith in them.

I think that's what ultimately brought McCarthy down, when the people eventually saw how cruel, vindictive and unethical he was and it tanked his reputation fatally. Unfortunately, I don't think it's that kind of world any more, and in terms of Trump, I think the cruelty and abuse is for many of his supporters explicitly part of his appeal.

Interestingly, of course, McCarthy worked extensively with lawyer Roy Cohn, who some decades later mentored the early career of a certain young, New York property developer. Small world.

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What I find most unpleasant about this is treatment of air traffic controllers. Maybe someone screwed up, maybe not. But there has to be at least one air traffic controller who currently feels incredibly awful. Any of us here, consider how we may feel with 67 deaths on our watch. Trump has, with no consideration or reasonable evidence of fault then used the office of the presidency to utterly humiliate them in the process of denigrating the wider profession. A masterpiece of casual, thoughtless cruelty against those unable to effectively reply. He is such a vile human being.
 
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What I find most unpleasant about this is treatment of air traffic controllers. Maybe someone screwed up, maybe not. But there has to be at least one air traffic controller who currently feels incredibly awful. Any of us here, consider how we may feel with 67 deaths on our watch. Trump has, with no consideration or reasonable evidence of fault then used the office of the presidency to utterly humiliate them in the process of denigrating the wider profession. A masterpiece of casual, thoughtless cruelty against those unable to effectively reply. He is such a vile human being.
And not just the air traffic control profession, of course: he's intimated without a shred of reason that DEI policies are to blame, and used this to pointlessly denigrate people with dwarfism, amputees, and epileptics. He is a sickening fuckwit, utter human scum.
 

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And not just the air traffic control profession, of course: he's intimated without a shred of reason that DEI policies are to blame, and used this to pointlessly denigrate people with dwarfism, amputees, and epileptics. He is a sickening fuckwit, utter human scum.
He hasn't intimated that, he's flat out said it, as a way to blame the crash on Biden.
 

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As a Canadian, I had no real say in any of this but it appears that America is all set to start a trade war starting tomorrow so the fallout is spreading.
 
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As a Canadian, I had no real say in any of this but it appears that America is all set to start a trade war starting tomorrow so the fallout is spreading.
As an Australian, we've been preparing for about 6mths. That being said, I don't think there is much to mitigate what is about to happen
 
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And not just the air traffic control profession, of course: he's intimated without a shred of reason that DEI policies are to blame, and used this to pointlessly denigrate people with dwarfism, amputees, and epileptics. He is a sickening fuckwit, utter human scum.
He blamed the pilots of the Blackhawks and all seniour military staff as well

But, this is not new. He blamed everyone during the last administration. It's super effective for him
 
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As an Australian, we've been preparing for about 6mths. That being said, I don't think there is much to mitigate what is about to happen
Well...there's deciding not to mindlessly ape whatever the US is doing. And also improving ties with not write-off nations. Which will help a bit.
 

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So that was before the document was even written. It is partly him playing nice with the foundation to get support (I'm sure Kamala/Biden buddy'd up with the liberal equivalent group). He is a republican so there's going to be some common ground of what Trump want to do and what the foundation would like to do. And, again, half of the stuff people said is in Project 2025 isn't in the document.
I don't know how you think this is better

Eg. Some of the biggest issues with Biden is that he listened to think thanks and rich elites. Its best to get rid of them entirely. This is compounded by Trump pretending that he is an outsider when he clearly an insider. So, Trump lied about that

Now you're saying he did it beforehand so they can write something he likes to get into Trump's good graces. And clearly he lied when he said he didn't know anything about it.

Why would you put this up as a defense?

Edit: I should also note the speed of you shifting the goal posts over the last page as well. Olympic level of effort
 
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I have friends who tell me "You said [thing] once and I was really thinking about that the other day..." and I often have no fucking idea what they are talking about, unless they jog my memory with a lot more context. Sometimes not even then.

I have said a lot of things over the years. Some of them I really believed in, some of them sounded like a good idea at the time, some of them were just filling the gaps in a conversation. I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's nice, I suppose, some of it made a real impact for someone, but seems a little awkward when it didn't necessarily mean so much to me that I bothered remembering it for myself.

I assume it's very similar for other people. I guess at least some of them publicly wrote stuff they weren't so invested in, so it could be read back to them later.
Well.... this is actually not the problem. Things like this can happen all the time. And people change

If so, JUST SAY YOU WERE INCORRECT. It's that easy. Grow up and admit when you were wrong
 

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Exclusive: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency, sources say

January 31, 202510:20 PM GMTUpdated 2 hours ago

U.S. Office of Personnel Management building in Washington
  • Musk aides restrict access to federal employee data systems​
  • Musk's team works around the clock, installs sofa beds at OPM​
  • Concerns include cybersecurity and lack of oversight​
WASHINGTON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Aides to Elon Musk charged with running the U.S. government human resources agency have locked career civil servants out of computer systems that contain the personal data of millions of federal employees, according to two agency officials.

Since taking office 11 days ago, President Donald Trump has embarked on a massive government makeover, firing and sidelining hundreds of civil servants in his first steps toward downsizing the bureaucracy and installing more loyalists.

U.S. authorities on Friday restricted helicopter flights near Reagan Washington National Airport, after a midair collision between an American Airlines passenger jet and a military helicopter killed 67 people.

Musk, the billionaire Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab CEO and X owner tasked by Trump to slash the size of the 2.2 million-strong civilian government workforce, has moved swiftly to install allies at the agency known as the Office of Personnel Management.

The two officials, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation, said some senior career employees at OPM have had their access revoked to some of the department's data systems.
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The systems include a vast database called Enterprise Human Resources Integration, which contains dates of birth, Social Security numbers, appraisals, home addresses, pay grades and length of service of government workers, the officials said.

"We have no visibility into what they are doing with the computer and data systems," one of the officials said. "That is creating great concern. There is no oversight. It creates real cybersecurity and hacking implications."
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Officials affected by the move can still log on and access functions such as email but can no longer see the massive datasets that cover every facet of the federal workforce.

Musk, OPM, representatives of the new team, and the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

OPM has sent out memos that eschew the normal dry wording of government missives as it encourages civil servants to consider buyout offers to quit and take a vacation to a "dream destination."

Don Moynihan, a professor at the Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan, said the actions inside OPM raised concerns about congressional oversight at the agency and how Trump and Musk view the federal bureaucracy.

"This makes it much harder for anyone outside Musk's inner circle at OPM to know what's going on," Moynihan said.

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A team including current and former employees of Musk assumed command of OPM on Jan. 20, the day Trump took office. They have moved sofa beds onto the fifth floor of the agency's headquarters, which contains the director's office and can only be accessed with a security badge or a security escort, one of the OPM employees said.

The sofa beds have been installed so the team can work around the clock, the employee said.

Musk, a major donor to a famously demanding boss, installed beds at X for employees to enable them to work longer when in 2022 he took over the social media platform, formerly known as Twitter.

"It feels like a hostile takeover," the employee said.

The new appointees in charge of OPM have moved the agency's chief management officer, Katie Malague, out of her office and to a new office on a different floor, the officials said.

Malague did not respond to a request for comment.

The moves by Musk's aides at OPM, and upheaval inside the Treasury building caused by other Musk aides that was reported on Friday, underscore the sweeping influence Musk is having across government.

David Lebryk, the top-ranking career U.S. Treasury Department official, is set to leave his post following a clash with allies of Musk after they asked for access to payment systems, the Washington Post reported on Friday.

The new team at OPM includes software engineers and Brian Bjelde, who joined Musk's SpaceX venture in 2003 as an avionics engineer before rising to become the company's vice president of human resources. Bjelde's role at OPM is that of a senior adviser.

The acting head of OPM, Charles Ezell, has been sending memos to the entire government workforce since Trump took office, including Tuesday's offering federal employees the chance to quit with eight months pay.

"No-one here knew that the memos were coming out. We are finding out about these memos the same time as the rest of the world," one of the officials said.

Among the group that now runs OPM is Amanda Scales, a former Musk employee, who is now OPM's chief of staff. In some memos sent out on Jan. 20 and Jan. 21 by Ezell, including one directing agencies to identify federal workers on probationary periods, agency heads were asked to email Scales at her OPM email address.

Another senior adviser is Riccardo Biasini, a former engineer at Tesla and most recently a director at The Boring Company, Musk's tunnel-building operation in Las Vegas.
 
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That story and the Helicopter/Commercial Airline story seem to be kind of mixed together

Did the Philly Plane just crash or did it also have an Army Chopper slam into it?