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That story and the Helicopter/Commercial Airline story seem to be kind of mixed together

Did the Philly Plane just crash or did it also have an Army Chopper slam into it?
Separate report, smaller at least, thank the lord for their alleged mercy I suppose


Small plane crashes into Philadelphia neighbourhood, causing explosions

A small plane has crashed into several buildings in north-east Philadelphia, setting homes and vehicles ablaze, and reportedly injuring people on the ground.

Multiple people were aboard the plane when it crashed on Friday evening, officials said.

Emergency crews have rushed to the scene during evening rush hour, and are appealing for the public to stay away from the crash site.

It is unclear what led to the crash, who was aboard the plane or if there are any survivors.

City of Philadelphia Office of Emergency Management. Smoke billows above a neighbourhood in Philadelphia. Cars are parked on the street and a crowd has gathered around an intersection.

City of Philadelphia Office of Emergency Management.

The crash happened just blocks from the Roosevelt Mall, a three-story shopping centre in a densely populated part of the Pennsylvania city, according to BBC's US partner CBS News.

The area where the crash occurred is filled with terraced housing and shops.

Disturbing video of the incident online show the plane coming down quickly and sparking a huge fireball that rocketed into the sky.

Witnesses describes shrapnel from the crash damaging cars, and strewing burning debris in the streets.

The plane, a Learjet 55, took off from from the Northeast Philadelphia Airport about 18:30 local time and crashed less than four miles (6.4km) away, according to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

The FAA said in a statement that the flight was en-route to Springfield-Branson National Airport in Missouri.
The FAA and National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) are investigating.

Weather forecasts in the area show it's been a cloudy and rainy evening with winds measured around 10 to 20 mph.
One witness told local media that the explosion "lit up the whole sky".

"I just saw a plane basically hit the building and it exploded. The sky lit up and I pulled over and basically, it was just real bad around here," the witness told WPVI-TV, describing the crash as feeling like an earthquake.

Ryan Tian, 23, told The Philadelphia Inquirer said he was getting dinner when he saw a "massive fireball" that turned the sky orange.
"I thought we were getting attacked by something," he said. As he saw people start to flee, he decided to get "outta there".

Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro wrote on X that he's in touch with local authorities and is "offering all Commonwealth resources as they respond to the small private plane crash".

The plane crash comes just days after a much larger collision happened between a commercial jet and a military helicopter in Washington DC, where officials suspect all 67 people aboard both aircraft were killed.
 

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That story and the Helicopter/Commercial Airline story seem to be kind of mixed together

Did the Philly Plane just crash or did it also have an Army Chopper slam into it?
Thinking that it's a totally unrelated and much smaller news story that's become big because if you squint your brain it looks a bit like the big news story.
 

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Thinking that it's a totally unrelated and much smaller news story that's become big because if you squint your brain it looks a bit like the big news story.
Was initial thought, but in populated neighborhoods? That common?


 
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I don't know how you think this is better

Eg. Some of the biggest issues with Biden is that he listened to think thanks and rich elites. Its best to get rid of them entirely. This is compounded by Trump pretending that he is an outsider when he clearly an insider. So, Trump lied about that

Now you're saying he did it beforehand so they can write something he likes to get into Trump's good graces. And clearly he lied when he said he didn't know anything about it.

Why would you put this up as a defense?

Edit: I should also note the speed of you shifting the goal posts over the last page as well. Olympic level of effort
I never said it was better, but the sky isn't falling like the left likes to claim. Trump isn't an outsider but he is more of an outsider than Biden or Kamala. Why would he know it's called Project 2025 though was asked? It was never called that before. What goal posts? Why should anyone be worried about Project 2025? Half the shit people claim is in there, isn't in there.
 

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disclaimer: not asserting caused by trump or admin. not directly anyhow. just following on from last post
Doorbell footage shows how frightening it must've been, wouldn't be surprised if some thought it was an attack like a missile or something, jesus

Apparently was all mexican nationals in plane including a mother and daughter


Entering hypothetical universe: A fleeting conspiracy part of mind is wondering if any tampering was done by local "patriots"/"activists" aware of the passengers going in. Occam's razor all well and good for a sane world, run by sane humans. But that ain't where we're at, most observant critical humans watching legacy news media the last few years couldn't have missed the jarring shift toward flagrant dishonesty and authoritarian appeasement at the very least. Hypothetical universe of conspiracy over and out. Back to world of what we know for sure. Very little. Still mostly confusion from even experts.


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Elon Musk’s Friends Have Infiltrated Another Government Agency
Elon Musk’s former employees are trying to use White House credentials to access General Services Administration tech, giving them the potential to remote into laptops, read emails, and more, sources say.
Elon Musks Friends Have Infiltrated the General Services Administration

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Elon Musk’s minions—from trusted sidekicks to random college students and former Musk company interns—have taken over the General Services Administration, a critical government agency that manages federal offices and technology. Already, the team is attempting to use White House security credentials to gain unusual access to GSA tech, deploying a suite of new AI software, and recreating the office in X’s image, according to leaked documents obtained by WIRED.

Some of the same people who helped Musk take over Twitter more than two years ago are now registered as official GSA employees. Nicole Hollander, who slept in Twitter HQ as an unofficial member of Musk’s transition team, has high-level agency access and an official government email address, according to documents viewed by WIRED. Hollander’s husband, Steve Davis, also slept in the office. He has now taken on a leading role in Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Thomas Shedd, the recently installed director of the Technology Transformation Services within GSA, worked as a software engineer at Tesla for eight years. Edward Coristine, who previously interned at Neuralink, has been onboarded along with Ethan Shaotran, a Harvard senior who is developing his own OpenAI-backed scheduling assistant and participated in an xAI hackathon.

“I believe these people do not want to help the federal government provide services to the American people,” says a current GSA employee who asked not to be named, citing fears of retaliation. “They are acting like this is a takeover of a tech company.”

The team appears to be carrying out Musk’s agenda: slashing the federal government as quickly as possible. They’re currently targeting a 50 percent reduction in spending for every office managed by the GSA, according to documents obtained by WIRED.

There also appears to be an effort to use IT credentials from the Executive Office of the President to access GSA laptops and internal GSA infrastructure. Typically, access to agency systems requires workers to be employed at such agencies, sources say. While Musk's team could be trying to obtain better laptops and equipment from GSA, sources fear that the mandate laid out in the DOGE executive order would grant the body broad access to GSA systems and data. That includes sensitive procurement data, data internal to all the systems and services GSA offers, and internal monitoring software to surveil GSA employees as part of normal auditing and security processes.

The access could give Musk’s proxies the ability to remote into laptops, listen in on meetings, read emails, among many other things, a former Biden official told WIRED on Friday.

“Granting DOGE staff, many of whom aren't government employees, unfettered access to internal government systems and sensitive data poses a huge security risk to the federal government and to the American public,” the Biden official said. “Not only will DOGE be able to review procurement-sensitive information about major government contracts, it'll also be able to actively surveil government employees.”

The new GSA leadership team has prioritized downsizing the GSA’s real estate portfolio, canceling convenience contracts, and rolling out AI tools for use by the federal government, according to internal documents and interviews with sources familiar with the situation. At a GSA office in Washington, DC, earlier this week, there were three items written on a white board sitting in a large, vacant room. “Spending Cuts $585 m, Regulations Removed, 15, Square feet sold/terminated 203,000 sf,” it read, according to a photo viewed by WIRED. There’s no note of who wrote the message, but it appears to be a tracker of cuts made or proposed by the team.

“We notified the commercial real estate market that two GSA properties would soon be listed for sale, and we terminated three leases,” Stephen Ehikian, the newly appointed GSA acting administrator, said in an email to GSA staff on Tuesday, confirming the agency’s focus on lowering real estate costs. “This is our first step in right-sizing the real estate portfolio.”

The proposed changes extend even inside the physical spaces at the GSA offices. Hollander has requested multiple “resting rooms,” for use by the A-suite, a team of employees affiliated with the GSA administrator’s office.

On January 29, a working group of high-ranking GSA employees, including the deputy general counsel and the chief administrative services officer, met to discuss building a resting room prototype. The team mapped out how to get the necessary funding and waivers to build resting rooms in the office, according to an agenda viewed by WIRED.

After Musk bought Twitter, Hollander and Davis moved into the office with their newborn baby. Hollander helped oversee real estate and office design—including the installation of hotel rooms at Twitter HQ, according to a lawsuit later filed by Twitter executives. During the installation process, one of the executives emailed to say that the plans for the rooms were likely not code compliant. Hollander “visited him in person and emphatically instructed him to never put anything about the project in writing again,” the lawsuit alleged. Employees were allegedly instructed to call the hotel rooms “sleeping rooms” and to say they were just for taking naps.

Hollander has also requested access to Public Buildings Service applications; PBS owns and leases office space to government agencies. The timing of the access request lines up with Ehikian’s announcement about shrinking GSA’s real estate cost.

Musk’s lieutenants are also working to authorize the use of AI tools, including Google Gemini and Cursor (an AI coding assistant), for federal workers. On January 30, the group met with Google to discuss Telemetry, a software used to monitor the health and performance of applications, according to a document obtained by WIRED.

A-suite engineers, including Coristine and Shaotran, have requested access to a variety of GSA records, including nearly 10 years of accounting data, as well as detailed records on vendor payments, purchase orders, and revenue.

The GSA takeover mimics Musk’s strategy at other federal agencies like the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). Earlier this month, Amanda Scales, who worked in talent at Musk’s xAI, was appointed as OPM chief of staff. Riccardo Biasini, former Tesla engineer and director of operations at the Boring company, is now a senior adviser to the director. Earlier this week, Musk cohorts at the US Office of Personnel Management emailed more than 2 million federal workers offering “deferred resignations,” allegedly promising employees their regular pay and benefits through September 30.

The email closely mirrored the “extremely hardcore” note Musk sent to Twitter staff in November 2022, shortly after buying the company.

Many federal workers thought the email was fake—as with Twitter, it seemed designed to force people to leave, slashing headcount costs without the headache of an official layoff.

Ehikian followed up with a note to staff stressing that the email was legitimate. “Yes, the OPM email is real and should be taken very seriously,” he said in an email obtained by WIRED. He added that employees should expect a “further consolidation of offices and centralization of functions.”

On Thursday night, GSA workers received a third email related to the resignation request called “Fork in the Road FAQs.” The email explained that employees who resign from their positions would not be required to work and could get a second job. “We encourage you to find a job in the private sector as soon as you would like to do so,” it read. “The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.”

The third question posed in the FAQ asked, “Will I really get my full pay and benefits during the entire period through September 30, even if I get a second job?”

“Yes,” the answer read. “You will also accrue further personal leave days, vacation days, etc. and be paid out for unused leave at your final resignation date.”

However, multiple GSA employees have told WIRED that they are refusing to resign, especially after the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) told its members on Tuesday that the offer could be void.

“There is not yet any evidence the administration can or will uphold its end of the bargain, that Congress will go along with this unilateral massive restructuring, or that appropriated funds can be used this way, among other issues that have been raised,” the union said in a notice.

There is also concern that, under Musk’s influence, the federal government might not pay for the duration of the deferred resignation period. Thousands of Twitter employees have sued Musk alleging that he failed to pay their agreed upon severance. Last year, one class action suit was dismissed in Musk’s favor.

In an internal video viewed by WIRED, Ehikian reiterated that GSA employees had the “opportunity to participate in a deferred resignation program,” per the email sent by OPM on January 28. Pressing his hands into the namaste gesture, Ehikian added, “If you choose to participate, I offer you my heartfelt gratitude for your service to this nation. If you choose to stay at the GSA, we’ll work together to implement the four pillars from the OPM memo.” He ended the video by saying thank you and pressing his hands into namaste again.
 
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What I find most unpleasant about this is treatment of air traffic controllers. Maybe someone screwed up, maybe not. But there has to be at least one air traffic controller who currently feels incredibly awful. Any of us here, consider how we may feel with 67 deaths on our watch. Trump has, with no consideration or reasonable evidence of fault then used the office of the presidency to utterly humiliate them in the process of denigrating the wider profession. A masterpiece of casual, thoughtless cruelty against those unable to effectively reply. He is such a vile human being.
And not just the air traffic control profession, of course: he's intimated without a shred of reason that DEI policies are to blame, and used this to pointlessly denigrate people with dwarfism, amputees, and epileptics. He is a sickening fuckwit, utter human scum.
He hasn't intimated that, he's flat out said it, as a way to blame the crash on Biden.
There is an article I'd like you three to look at. Upfront, this source is heinous, the author's obvious biases and pre-conclusions are despicable, and you're all going to hate basically every word in it. I do not enjoy spreading something so contemptable, but in the situation where the truth crosses taboos, there is sometimes truth stumbled upon by those who cross those taboos on purpose, even when the rest of us are in the right not to.


Measured credit where it is due, they brought receipts from government documentation, but only measured credit cause they couldn't be bothered linking to it, so I had to Google my way down the trail to fact check them. The bulk of the criticism draws from this: https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/f...rters_offices/acr/Barrier_Analysis_Report.pdf
And I believe the most relevant display of figures is here:

So what's the summary here? During the Obama Administration, they decided that air-traffic control was problematically non-diverse, and implemented a "Biographical Assessment" in the hiring process to promote diversity, which would allow some people who narrowly failed the practical exam into the program, and others who passed could end up rejected. The result of this was not only to elevate people who might otherwise be rejected (a cause I have some sympathy for), but also to reject thousands of qualified candidates who passed the traditional exam. During this time period, the total number of air traffic controllers dropped over 10%. I don't think there is sufficient justification to treat the assessment as a sole cause of the drop, but rejecting thousands of qualified applicants while being increasingly understaffed seems to be negligent at best.

Again, the American Renaissance article is heinous, but I want you all to see it for a few reasons:

1) I do think the situation itself, regardless of the source talking about it, is a demonstration of how equality and diversity are not inherently virtuous and can be pursued in bad ways. If we have a safety position critically understaffed and we're rejecting applicants based on inferred ethnicity, we have pursued diversity in a bad way. If you want the answer to "how could DEI cause an understaffing issue", here you go.
2) I think it sucks that I had to find a lot of this out through racists. Thousands are suing the FAA for racial discrimination, and the AP and NPR have nothing to say about it, at least as far as I can find. "Racial minorities and women are failing the math test, so lets add a questionnaire to weed out more white men" is a genuinely insane policy, especially while being sometimes hundreds of people per year beneath their stated hiring quotas. Even if they weren't being sued, this could be news, but the organizations that are supposed to just keep people informed have absolutely nothing to say about any of it. I want the news to be news, I don't want them to selectively publish information based on narrative. If it was one black woman discriminated against by one official, we'd hear all about it, but thousands systematically discriminated against is nothing.
3) I would not jump to the conclusion that air-traffic control feels insulted by Trump's comments. Nobody liked it when Trump blamed the crash on DEI, everyone thought it was in poor taste to politicize a tragedy, even the people over at r/conservative were understandably mad at him. But it was his first administration that removed the biographical assessment and started the turnaround in staffing (and due credit to the Biden Administration for continuing that numerical trend even while promoting diversity). The policy he immediately complained about, the preferential hiring of the disabled, is also from the end of the Obama Administration, and it is a symptom of the problem, as they needed ways to get more people hired and created loopholes for select demographics. So like, its an awful thing to say in that moment, and a gross oversimplification of a complex issue, but Trump's kinda right, DEI efforts have made air traffic safety less effective. People all across the internet right now are terrified that our institutions are being dismantled, but a lot of them already have been decayed. And the people in those jobs assuredly know that understaffing is one of their biggest issues, and assuredly know how many people were turned away by that initiative.

Take look at this:
Here, people put together an interactive version of the FAA biographical assessment using the questions and answers provided in discovery for the aforementioned lawsuit. I did track down the actual document, and the questions, answers, and scores on that site match the document (the commentary is added). I recommend giving it a try, cause it's genuinely insane. Some of it seems downright illogical. 1/6th of the entire test hinges on your worst subjects being science and history, and if you didn't give those answers you've already halfway to failing. The optimal arithmetic grade is A, second place is not taking arithmetic, third is getting a B, 4th is getting a D, and getting a C is worth zero. It's so seemingly arbitrary at times, it was either designed by throwing darts, or there's an underlying statistical basis that isn't immediately intuitive. The fact that it was explicitly implemented as a result of the Barrier Analysis would suggest that the latter is the case.

And it had a 90% failure rate, even in spite of reports that some test takers were being given the answers in advance. Like, this video below is an inaccurate report, they say the FAA threw out the old test, but so far as I can tell, applicants still had to perform well enough on the old test, and then they still went through all the same training procedures, they didn't meaningfully lower any bars that I can tell. But they did implement that assessment, and they did throw out many qualified people based on it (while others seemingly cheated), and this is what Trump would have been watching 9 years ago:
 

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So what's the summary here? During the Obama Administration, they decided that air-traffic control was problematically non-diverse, and implemented a "Biographical Assessment" in the hiring process to promote diversity, which would allow some people who narrowly failed the practical exam into the program, and others who passed could end up rejected. The result of this was not only to elevate people who might otherwise be rejected (a cause I have some sympathy for), but also to reject thousands of qualified candidates who passed the traditional exam. During this time period, the total number of air traffic controllers dropped over 10%. I don't think there is sufficient justification to treat the assessment as a sole cause of the drop, but rejecting thousands of qualified applicants while being increasingly understaffed seems to be negligent at best.
Entirely aside from the merits/drawbacks of such an approach, this is not sufficient justification to treat the assessment as a major cause of an overall drop at all, let alone the sole cause. The approach as described here doesn't necessitate a drop in admittance rate at all.

Again, the American Renaissance article is heinous, but I want you all to see it for a few reasons:

1) I do think the situation itself, regardless of the source talking about it, is a demonstration of how equality and diversity are not inherently virtuous and can be pursued in bad ways. If we have a safety position critically understaffed and we're rejecting applicants based on inferred ethnicity, we have pursued diversity in a bad way. If you want the answer to "how could DEI cause an understaffing issue", here you go.
Any hiring approach *could* lead to understaffing if we assume it was pursued at a zealous cost to overall admittance rate. But we have no indication of that. The writer has extrapolated it because they have a bigoted axe to grind.

Do you have opinions on Trump offering FAA staff buyouts to resign, or disbanding the Aviation Security Advisory Committee? To be clear, I don't think for a moment these acts caused this. I just think they're clear indications that he wants to shrink these departments and shred regulations that keep people safe.
 

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Any hiring approach *could* lead to understaffing if we assume it was pursued at a zealous cost to overall admittance rate. But we have no indication of that. The writer has extrapolated it because they have a bigoted axe to grind.
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I have snipped the relevant areas from the Air Traffic Unions hiring and licensing statistics, and highlighted the hiring rates in the 3 years between the start of the diversity initiative with the Barrier Analysis Report and the year that the person in charge of it resigned. That is a pretty solid indication that they were under-hiring under that regime. Since his departure, it has been exceeded every year, with asterisks for a government shutdown and a global pandemic.

You might not have the part that ties the Barrier Analysis and the Biographical Assessment, it's on a 23-page pdf I had to grab with a pile of court documents, but the very first section of the document detailing how to implement the assessment leads with:
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It is not a particularly large leap to think that if they only met 42% of their hiring goal the year they were doing studies on hiring disparities, and then failed to reach their goal the next two years while implementing their changes that failed 90% of applicants, and there were more than enough applicants rejected on the basis of the assessment that their diversity study created, than it all indicates that the pursuance of diversity lead to, or at least meaningfully exacerbated under-hiring.
Do you have opinions on Trump offering FAA staff buyouts to resign, or disbanding the Aviation Security Advisory Committee? To be clear, I don't think for a moment these acts caused this. I just think they're clear indications that he wants to shrink these departments and shred regulations that keep people safe.
The offer for staff buyouts was presented over-broadly. I consider that an unforced error, and they seem to be pulling back in many places, including with air-traffic controllers. The level of chaos in communication currently is unacceptable. Exaggerated by the press in most cases, but still unacceptable.

The Aviation Security Advisory Committee, to my knowledge, is almost wholly unrelated. That's industry representation giving advice to the TSA, which now I feel like we're getting all sorts of lines jumbled up about when we want corporations overseeing their own regulations.
 

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Musk aides gain access to sensitive Treasury Department payment system

Billionaire Elon Musk’s deputies have gained access to a sensitive Treasury Department system responsible for trillions of dollars in U.S. government payments after the administration ousted a top career official at the department, according to three people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe government deliberations.

On Friday, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent approved access to the Treasury’s payments system for a team led by Tom Krause, a Silicon Valley executive working in concert with Musk’s “Department of Government Efficiency,” the people said.

David A. Lebryk, who served in nonpolitical roles at Treasury for several decades and had been the acting secretary before Bessent’s confirmation, had refused to turn over access to Musk’s surrogates, people familiar with the situation told The Washington Post. Trump officials placed Lebryk on administrative leave, and then he announced his retirement Friday in an email to colleagues.

Spokespeople for Treasury and DOGE declined to comment.

The sensitive systems, run by the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, control the flow of more than $6 trillion annually. Tens of millions of people across the country rely on the systems. They are responsible for paying Social Security and Medicare benefits, salaries for federal personnel, payments to government contractors and grant recipients, and tax refunds, among tens of thousands of other functions.

Typically, only a small group of career employees control the payment systems, and former officials have said it is extremely unusual for anyone connected to political appointees to access them.

Musk has sought to exert sweeping control over the inner workings of the U.S. government, installing longtime surrogates at several agencies, including the Office of Personnel Management, which essentially handles federal human resources, and the General Services Administration, which manages real estate. DOGE is now housed in a White House office formerly known as the U.S. Digital Service but now called the U.S. DOGE Service and has broad visibility into technology across the government.

Democrats have strongly criticized the idea of giving Musk surrogates access to the payment systems.

“To put it bluntly, these payment systems simply cannot fail, and any politically motivated meddling in them risks severe damage to our country and the economy,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) said in a letter to Bessent on Friday. “I can think of no good reason why political operators who have demonstrated a blatant disregard for the law would need access to these sensitive, mission-critical systems.”
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I have snipped the relevant areas from the Air Traffic Unions hiring and licensing statistics, and highlighted the hiring rates in the 3 years between the start of the diversity initiative with the Barrier Analysis Report and the year that the person in charge of it resigned. That is a pretty solid indication that they were under-hiring under that regime. Since his departure, it has been exceeded every year, with asterisks for a government shutdown and a global pandemic.
Yes, I see that there was under-hiring. We've also heard that it had become common practice for traffic controllers to multi-task much more commonly than it should have been.

You might not have the part that ties the Barrier Analysis and the Biographical Assessment, it's on a 23-page pdf I had to grab with a pile of court documents, but the very first section of the document detailing how to implement the assessment leads with:
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It is not a particularly large leap to think that if they only met 42% of their hiring goal the year they were doing studies on hiring disparities, and then failed to reach their goal the next two years while implementing their changes that failed 90% of applicants, and there were more than enough applicants rejected on the basis of the assessment that their diversity study created, than it all indicates that the pursuance of diversity lead to, or at least meaningfully exacerbated under-hiring.
Actually, that is a leap. What that indicates is that the hiring process had an insufficient admission rate-- But a desired admission rate isn't dependent on the evaluation criteria. There's no reason this particular criterion would lead to a miscalculated admission rate. It's being scapegoated-- along with Trump's seemingly pathological hostility towards disabled people.

The offer for staff buyouts was presented over-broadly. I consider that an unforced error, and they seem to be pulling back in many places, including with air-traffic controllers. The level of chaos in communication currently is unacceptable. Exaggerated by the press in most cases, but still unacceptable.
Fair enough.
 

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Actually, that is a leap. What that indicates is that the hiring process had an insufficient admission rate-- But a desired admission rate isn't dependent on the evaluation criteria. There's no reason this particular criterion would lead to a miscalculated admission rate.
By "this particular criterion", do you mean DEI in general? If so, I agree that you could have a DEI hiring initiative that doesn't lead to understaffing, but I would certainly say they didn't do that. If you haven't tried that test, please do. It is comedy. You could not make it up if you tried.
 

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It is not a particularly large leap to think that if they only met 42% of their hiring goal the year they were doing studies on hiring disparities, and then failed to reach their goal the next two years while implementing their changes that failed 90% of applicants, and there were more than enough applicants rejected on the basis of the assessment that their diversity study created, than it all indicates that the pursuance of diversity lead to, or at least meaningfully exacerbated under-hiring.
That's more of a leap in logic than you presume. You have two data points and you're extrapolating a causal link between them for seemingly no other reason than that you were primed to reach that conclusion by the "DEI is to blame" narrative that you were presented.

Researching the matter shows that reason for this reduction was directly attributed to sequestration, the impact of which is laid out in the FAA's 2013 accountability report. To make a long story short FAA's budget was cut by $637 million, leading the FAA to implement a hiring freeze and unpaid furloughs, elimination of employee bonus awards, and the decision to cut training as cost-saving strategies. That's laid out in plain text on page 13:

While exempting most mandatory programs such as Social Security, Medicaid, federal pensions, and veterans benefits from cuts, the 2013 sequester reduced most discretionary budget accounts by approximately five percent, or $85 billion for the government as a whole. Sequestration reduced the FAA’s FY 2013 budget by $637 million.

With sequestration looming, the FAA implemented cost-saving strategies, including a partial hiring freeze and elimination of employee bonus awards, early in the fiscal year. These were in addition to ongoing spending restrictions on items such as travel, training, IT, conferences, office supplies, and contracts. When the sequestration became effective on March 1, the FAA initiated severe hiring restrictions.

Given the large percentage of the operations budget devoted to payroll, however, the FAA was also forced to implement across-the-board employee furloughs, or unpaid time off. Controllers, technicians, and inspectors were included in the furlough. Flight delays began occurring almost immediately.

Congress responded to the crisis by enacting special legislation, the Reducing Flight Delays Act of 2013, which granted the FAA the flexibility to transfer up to $253 million from the Grants-in-Aid for Airports program (which had been exempt from sequestration) to the Operations and Facilities & Equipment accounts. This funding transfer enabled the FAA to immediately stop employee furloughs and a proposal to close low-traffic towers. But other cutbacks have remained in place.

The special legislation only addressed the funding shortfall in FY 2013. The FY 2014 continuing resolution that funds government operations through January 15, 2014, includes additional funding to avoid FAA furloughs during this time period. The final FY 2014 funding level, however, remains uncertain. And for as long as the sequestration law remains in effect, the FAA will continue to face the prospect of reductions to aviation services.
Their 2014 accountability report says much the same, saying (pg 61) that it only reversed the hiring freeze after the passage of the 2014 Omnibus appropriation bill for Fiscal Year 2014, following a nine month shutdown.
 

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You know what, if someone want to provide proper evidence that diversity initiatives damaged the competence of the FAA (or any other organisation), I'm perfectly happy to look at it. But what you're providing isn't it. Even if (from the next post) you want to argue that for two years there was a dip in hiring, if we see that the hiring gap was made good in the third year... well, once that third year was reached, the FAA was therefore staffed to authorised level. One can question whether the authorised level was enough, but that's another debate. Anyway, this was ten years ago. What's the relevance of saying the FAA was understaffed in 2014 for a crash that occurred in 2025?

This is all argument by half-fact and supposition. I would at least grant you, it's more than Trump offered.

Trump said the hiring guidance for the FAA's diversity and inclusion programme included preference for those with disabilities involving "hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism". Do you think there are ATCs with conditions like complete paralysis, severe intellectual disability and epilepsy? Obviously there are not. But it was said to make the public think so. The intended implication is that the FAA is staffed by incompetents, and therefore this crash was caused by incompetence.

And it's said to make this sort of thing count. What you are doing is exactly what bullshitters want people to do: to go out there and try to make that argument. This is the sort of thing that makes "Big Lie" tactics work. If they keep saying it, people keep looking, and people keep trying to make the facts fit the claim, and people think there's a case. But actually, no reasonable case was ever presented in the first place - or ever will need to be presented so long as people keep trying to credit it.

It's also sad that you're just missing the point. I don't mind so much if Trump wants to hammer Biden, Buttigieg, Obama, and DEI policies. They can look after themselves. I resent the implication that the air traffic control were incompetent, based on nothing. There's a human being - realistically several as it was probably a team - at the end of this. That's a human being who now has to deal with the deaths of 67 people, potentially on their conscience forever. That's a human being who could be tarred and feathered by their fellow citizens, potentially subjected to vengeance attacks and harassment. I just think that they deserve better than to be immediately thrown to the wolves by the president and implied to be guilty of incompetence and undeserving of their job.

I know that this is in many ways perhaps a very small thing. But it is just the cruelty and bullying - so petty, so inconsiderate. That's the character of your president.
 
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That's more of a leap in logic than you presume. You have two data points and you're extrapolating a causal link between them for seemingly no other reason than that you were primed to reach that conclusion by the "DEI is to blame" narrative that you were presented.

Researching the matter shows that reason for this reduction was directly attributed to sequestration, the impact of which is laid out in the FAA's 2013 accountability report. To make a long story short FAA's budget was cut by $637 million, leading the FAA to implement a hiring freeze and unpaid furloughs, elimination of employee bonus awards, and the decision to cut training as cost-saving strategies. That's laid out in plain text on page 13:

Their 2014 accountability report says much the same, saying (pg 61) that it only reversed the hiring freeze after the passage of the 2014 Omnibus appropriation bill for Fiscal Year 2014, following a nine month shutdown.
The immediate passage of funding specifically to maintain staffing for air traffic controllers you'd think would mean something, but I'll accept 2013 as an asterisk akin to covid.

That offers no explanation for the enormous miss in 2015. Also, to you as well, if you haven't tried out that test, please do. It's not going to trick you into thinking DEI is killing flight safety, but it is certainly eye-openingly ridiculous.
What's the relevance of saying the FAA was understaffed in 2014 for a crash that occurred in 2025?
Air traffic control has a strict mandatory retirement age of 56. Those annual goals are determined well in advance (they have to be, it takes time to train people) based on predictable cycles of retirements based on the age of the controllers. If they're behind on a couple years, it's not as simple as just making it up on the third year, especially since they don't want a large generation to fall off all at once. They've started hitting the required thresholds to replace retirees, but they've still never made up the gap.
It's also sad that you're just missing the point. I don't mind so much if Trump wants to hammer Biden, Buttigieg, Obama, and DEI policies. They can look after themselves. I resent the implication that the air traffic control were incompetent, based on nothing.
Ok, but what if the people you're attempting to sympathize with don't feel the way you expect them to? What if they saw themselves become increasingly overburdened during the Obama years, or maybe got rejected for a couple years by an outrageously arbitrary questionnaire, and they see Trump's comments and agree. What if they think "yes, I do want us to hire the most intelligent people to work with"?
 

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Jokes aside, what did team trump expect? That everyone would just roll over because USA! USA! USA! ? This whole thing is so trite.
 
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Jokes aside, what did team trump expect? That everyone would just roll over because USA! USA! USA! ? This whole thing is so trite.
Well, compare Brexit, massive problems for people in the UK were worth it if it inconvenienced the French somewhat, at least according to some. I could see people thinking that preserving their own economy is less important than harming that of their traditional enemies, the Canadians. Even if the Canadians have only been their traditional enemies for about a month.