Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

[Silvanus]

But people like you will only be against it because a conservative is doing it.

This is another dogshit lie. I was denouncing what was happening before, and I'm denouncing it now. You are lying.

When just months ago you would have called it normal.

No, read what I actually said: that his actions "fit the mold of US Presidents for decades". Are you going to pretend to me that Presidents before Biden weren't supplying Israel with bombs and military assistance? Seanchaidh said that Biden's actions are consistent with the US plan since 1948; that is essentially the same point I was making, but in service of the opposite conclusion.

Why are 160k people dead or gone amusing to you?

They're not. What a disgusting, foul thing to lie about. I could more reasonably ask why 160k people dead or gone serve as shit-slinging ammunition to you.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You might want to go back and check because you are wrong.

It's very hard to say that when I'm literally quoting him saying that.

This is another dogshit lie. I was denouncing what was happening before, and I'm denouncing it now. You are lying.



No, read what I actually said: that his actions "fit the mold of US Presidents for decades". Are you going to pretend to me that Presidents before Biden weren't supplying Israel with bombs and military assistance? Seanchaidh said that Biden's actions are consistent with the US plan since 1948; that is essentially the same point I was making, but in service of the opposite conclusion.



They're not. What a disgusting, foul thing to lie about. I could more reasonably ask why 160k people dead or gone serve as shit-slinging ammunition to you.

"It's all lies! Never mind the quotes of me saying all this!"

I didn't bring up 160k people, you did. Any number is monstrous and that's the point. That you've set acceptable standards is your problem. The escalation isn't happening now with Trump, it happened 15 months ago with Biden. The problem is that you don't see that. You will sit here and look someone dead in the eye (metaphorically) and say an attempted ethnic cleansing of 2 million people stymied by outside forces flat out didn't happen. And then be flippant about it. If you want to talk about "disgusting" and "foul".

 

[Silvanus]

"It's all lies! Never mind the quotes of me saying all this!"

None of the quotes substantiated the disgusting shit you claimed I said. And you know this; you're just hoping the faux outrage will prompt people not to question it. It's a cynical, gross little tactic.

I didn't bring up 160k people, you did. Any number is monstrous and that's the point. That you've set acceptable standards is your problem.

I haven't ever said what was going on was an acceptable standard. This is a lie.

There's no point in continuing this if you just continue to blatantly lie about what I've said.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

None of the quotes substantiated the disgusting shit you claimed I said. And you know this; you're just hoping the faux outrage will prompt people not to question it. It's a cynical, gross little tactic.



I haven't ever said what was going on was an acceptable standard. This is a lie.

There's no point in continuing this if you just continue to blatantly lie about what I've said.

Thank goodness their approach was so incredibly useless, eh?

At least forty thousand dead. For reference, confirmed dead from 2008 up until October 6th was around 5000 people.15 years vs 15 months.

If you don't want to be called out for your callousness, don't be callous. And don't try to downplay ethnic cleansing. And finally, don't pretend like you care.

 

[Thaluikhain]

If you don't want to be called out for your callousness, don't be callous. And don't try to downplay ethnic cleansing. And finally, don't pretend like you care.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I'm not taking it back. I don't find it particularly amusing to downplay and riff off of ethnic cleansing. And I'm not going to sit here and be told what Biden did wasn't that bad.

 

[Silvanus]

At least forty thousand dead. For reference, confirmed dead from 2008 up until October 6th was around 5000 people.15 years vs 15 months.

If you were approaching this with a shred of honesty, you'd recognise that statement wasn't in reference to the death toll or bombing or the reality of the situation at all. It referred to the plan the US drew up for one small evac route to Egypt. A plan which never got off the ground after negotiations were dropped in a month.

Yes, i consider it rather absurd to call that the equivalent of an actual stated plan to remove an entire population.

Those 40k dead happened without this plan ever occurring. My statement doesn't reflect on that reality at all. You're misrepresenting it as a smear.

I'm not taking it back. I don't find it particularly amusing to downplay and riff off of ethnic cleansing.

Sure. But you find it a-OK to use such death and suffering as ammunition. And when the usual suspects endlessly downplay or outright deny ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang and eastern Ukraine, you stay meekly silent.

And I'm not going to sit here and be told what Biden did wasn't that bad.

Never said this, you're lying through your teeth again.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Yes, i consider it rather absurd to call that the equivalent of an actual stated plan to remove an entire population.

Never said this, you're lying through your teeth again.

Pick one, you can't have it both ways. Sitting there and saying that we can't consider that Biden was on the verge of cleansing the Gaza strip is the exact same logic conservatives use in regards to January 6th. "It wasn't an insurrection because it failed". "Biden wasn't trying to get rid of the Palestinians because he failed".

 

[Silvanus]

Pick one, you can't have it both ways. Sitting there and saying that we can't consider that Biden was on the verge of cleansing the Gaza strip is the exact same logic conservatives use in regards to January 6th. "It wasn't an insurrection because it failed". "Biden wasn't trying to get rid of the Palestinians because he failed".

That's not the logic I'm approaching this with at all. The important point is that the plan was so small in scope, to the point of being obviously incapable of fulfilling what you believe was it's purpose, and was abandoned almost immediately. It's not that it failed. It's that the 'mastermind' never even suggested something that could have accomplished the supposed aim.

Putting aside for a moment that none of this is to say what he did "wasn't that bad". What he did makes him the scum of the earth. Similarly, stating that (say) Richard Ramirez didn't plan with the scope and scale of (say) Idi Amin, doesn't indicate that Ramirez "wasn't that bad".

 

[tippy2k2]

Pick one, you can't have it both ways. Sitting there and saying that we can't consider that Biden was on the verge of cleansing the Gaza strip is the exact same logic conservatives use in regards to January 6th. "It wasn't an insurrection because it failed". "Biden wasn't trying to get rid of the Palestinians because he failed".

It's exactly what I said a few days ago

We live in two entirely different worlds. We live in a world where a tiny bit of genocide as a lil treat is STILL genocide (and voting for Harris is telling Democrats that a bit of genocide as a lil treat is fine), Biden very clearly escalated what was going on during his presidency, has shown no indication that he would do a single thing to stop Israel (and Harris stated she agreed with everything Biden did so she too would let Israel do whatever it wanted), and this has been the plan this entire time by Israel.

VBNMW peeps live in a world where a tiny bit of genocide as a lil treat is fine because what happens to them is far more important than what happens to some people on the other side of the world (or that they vote Harris but they are against this major policy and that makes it OK), Biden has been an innocent lil babe who has done nothing wrong (or if it is acknowledged that what he is doing is wrong, he has no power and ability to stop it) and the genocide only started on January 20th 2025, and that Harris would have totally grown a backbone if Israel revealed that this has been the plan the entire time.

Neither side is going to convince the other because we live in two entirely different realities here.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

That's not the logic I'm approaching this with at all.

It really is. It takes a special kind of intellectual dishonesty to look at the vast majority of Gazans lined up against a wall with the president trying to open up that wall to shove them through and say "nah, he wasn't trying". Like you have an extremely warped view of reality.

For fun, I went and tried to find the plans on the evacuation that you claim were "small". Every source I could find led back to an NBC article that made absolutely no mention of the size of the evacuation corridor. That makes me think you pulled the "small" out of your ass to defend Biden for no good reason. You don't know how big of an evacuation corridor Biden wanted to make, you just assume it to be "small" so you can say Trump is doing something different, despite it being exactly the same.

 

[Silvanus]

It really is. It takes a special kind of intellectual dishonesty to look at the vast majority of Gazans lined up against a wall with the president trying to open up that wall to shove them through and say "nah, he wasn't trying". Like you have an extremely warped view of reality.

For fun, I went and tried to find the plans on the evacuation that you claim were "small". Every source I could find led back to an NBC article that made absolutely no mention of the size of the evacuation corridor.

The daily cap was supposedly 2,000, and only one route was mooted. That's what I'm basing it on. That is simply not feasible infrastructure for the scope of operation you're alleging was planned. The fact that he abandoned negotiation after 1 month also indicates that it was hardly central to his plan.

VBNMW peeps live in a world where a tiny bit of genocide as a lil treat is fine because what happens to them is far more important than what happens to some people on the other side of the world (or that they vote Harris but they are against this major policy and that makes it OK), Biden has been an innocent lil babe who has done nothing wrong (or if it is acknowledged that what he is doing is wrong, he has no power and ability to stop it) and the genocide only started on January 20th 2025, and that Harris would have totally grown a backbone if Israel revealed that this has been the plan the entire time.

Have never said this or anything that indicates what Biden was doing was fine or acceptable. This entire paragraph is an insane fever dream, your own fabrication. I've said the exact opposite of most of this numerous times. You are repeating a disgusting fucking smear.

 

[tippy2k2]

Have never said this or anything that indicates what Biden was doing was fine or acceptable. This is repetition of a disgusting fucking smear.

If only there was an additional paragraph that I wrote in my post that DID cover your beliefs...

 

[Silvanus]

If only there was an additional paragraph that I wrote in my post that DID cover your beliefs...

Nothing you wrote in that second paragraph covered my beliefs. Most of it I have directly and explicitly contradicted, numerous times. You are lying. Outright lying.

 

[tippy2k2]

Nothing you wrote in that second paragraph covered my beliefs. Most of it I have directly and explicitly contradicted, numerous times. You are lying. Outright lying.

So...you disagree that you didn't like Biden's stance on Israel but felt people should vote for him anyway?

 

[Seanchaidh]

The daily cap was supposedly 2,000, and only one route was mooted. That's what I'm basing it on. That is simply not feasible infrastructure for the scope of operation you're alleging was planned. The fact that he abandoned negotiation after 1 month also indicates that it was hardly central to his plan.

Thankfully we never got to see that happen, so we'll never know if 2000 per day was just the starting point to be expanded, or if the Zionist menace would have simply squeezed Rafah for two and a half years until all ~two million had gone through.

 

[Silvanus]

So...you disagree that you didn't like that Biden's stance on Israel but felt people should vote for him anyway?

What? I'm talking about this:

VBNMW peeps live in a world where a tiny bit of genocide as a lil treat is fine because what happens to them is far more important than what happens to some people on the other side of the world (or that they vote Harris but they are against this major policy and that makes it OK), Biden has been an innocent lil babe who has done nothing wrong (or if it is acknowledged that what he is doing is wrong, he has no power and ability to stop it) and the genocide only started on January 20th 2025, and that Harris would have totally grown a backbone if Israel revealed that this has been the plan the entire time.

 

[tippy2k2]

What? I'm talking about this:

I mean...you SAY you disagree with all of that but everything you've said these last few pages have been...that exactly

Like I said, two entirely different realities

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The daily cap was supposedly 2,000, and only one route was mooted. That's what I'm basing it on. That is simply not feasible infrastructure for the scope of operation you're alleging was planned. The fact that he abandoned negotiation after 1 month also indicates that it was hardly central to his plan.



Have never said this or anything that indicates what Biden was doing was fine or acceptable. This entire paragraph is an insane fever dream, your own fabrication. I've said the exact opposite of most of this numerous times. You are repeating a disgusting fucking smear.

It was abandoned because Egypt isn't as trusting as you. But more importantly, even if we were to assume 2000 people a day, it would take about 3 years to fully expel the Palestinians (excluding all those who would be killed for not going to the expulsion area). We were halfway there before the ceasefire was signed.

 

[Silvanus]

I mean...you SAY you disagree with all of that but everything you've said these last few pages have been...that exactly

Outright, shameless fucking lie.