In which case, the action is contravening the legal order for immediate action.
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It isn't. At worst its ''biased' against the Republicans though in truth that might just be the Republican party objectively just being so plainly inept and hostile rather than ''bias''.
Anti Republican yes, pro left yes but biased before the Democrats? That's a strange take. Most posters seem pretty open about the Democrats merely being the lesser of two evils, which given one party has Trump and the other does not is very easy to argue. For Europeans its even easier to argue since Republicans are our enemies and Democrats are not.
Heck, there's even a sizable group on here that knows Trump is horrible but feel so strongly about the Democrats not being left wing enough that they'd rather have Trump burn the US and the wider world down then to allow the Democrats any sort of win. Doesn't sound biased towards the dems to me.
For most people here, heck for most Americans even it likely has never been about the Democrats, but about the bad intentions of the Republican party
There's so many reasons why information wouldn't get moved along.
One was done just for political suppression.
Ya'll don't ever prove republicans are worse than democrats though. Have you seen that video where Jon Stewart learns about about how the $40 billion bill to get broadband to rural areas actually works? Guess what, not one single line of internet has been run in 5 years IIRC. Some of us realize democrat policy even if more (or even way more) good intentioned doesn't fucking work.
Which of those reasons override a legal order for immediate action?
You claim his 1 night detention was political suppression, despite the existence of him on CCTV trespassing.
Meanwhile, people have been detained for far longer without any accusation or charge, after protesting.
Are the Democrats pro Russia? No
Do the Democrats have Trump? No
Do Democrats have even remotely the same corruption as the Republicans? No
Do Democrats want to betray Europe? No?
Are the Democrats fanatically against healthcare? No
Do the Democrats do cartoon villain shit like taking away school lunches or banning water breaks in scorching desert regions? I suppose being pro corporate some do. But is it the general rule as with Republicans? No.
Do the Democrats allow Elon to gut the state? No
Do the Democrats employ clinically insane wackos like Greene? No
Did the Democrats do a coup? No
Seems very easy to prove Republicans are worse than Democrats
It's worth further pointing out that in this case, the flights landed hours after the order came in, and the Trump administration's initial excuse for it wasn't an inability to reach them, but instead to plead that it was a fait accompli on the grounds that the planes were outside of US airspace and they reasoned that the ruling therefore "is not applicable" (which, frankly, is legal bullshit and amounts to a tacit admission that they consciously chose not to comply with the order because they unilaterally decided that it didn't count) when the written order came in at 7:26 p.m. However, it's further worth pointing out that while the written order didn't come in until 7:26, the oral order had been issued at 6:48 p.m, 40 minutes prior. and entailed "turning around a plane or not embarking anyone on the plane or those people covered by this on the plane". Compliance could literally have been achieved by landing at the destination, refueling, and flying back with the passengers, if needs be. Moreover, two of the planes in question were still in the air when the written order came in, the third didn't even take off until after the written order came in.
Never mind that the point and purpose of an oral order is that the order is put into force then and there, effective immediately so as to avoid the delay of waiting for the written order. It is every bit as binding as a written order, so saying that they were waiting for the written order is legal nonsense.
And considering that the Trump administration has since responded to the judge's efforts to see the flight logs - to make sure that a good faith effort to comply was made - by declaring that the judge had "no justification" to look for that information? And that moreover, that has spurred them to demand that the judge be impeached for it? There's ample reason to doubt Trump et al's "nothing could be done" position even before considering that Trump is quite infamous for non-compliance until he runs out the clock and then treating the end result as not worth rectifying. Never mind that they keep on talking out of both sides of their mouth about it, simultaneously claiming that 1) there was nothing they could do about the situation (i.e., that they tried but failed), 2) that they "ignored it but didn't defy it", and 3) unilaterally declaring that the order was unlawful so as to paint their non-compliance as taking a stand against it (i.e., that they consciously decided to defy it). To be direct, the benefit of the doubt simply does not apply here.
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You don't need anything to override a legal order. That order can easily get bottle-necked somewhere along that line.
Yes, a 3 year investigation that couldn't even get a guilty verdict proves this evidence you claim they have?
-Republicans aren't pro Russia...
-Kamala is worse than Trump and the dems might have a Newsom in 2028, that is, again, worse than Trump (I swear to god if you guys are pro-Newsom in 2028...)
-$40 billion for broadband that put down no lines is not corrupt at all... Also, Chicago is like the most corrupt city and it's all democrats
-Asking Europe to be able to defend themselves isn't betraying Europe
-When have the democrats did anything that helped healthcare? Remember Obamacare was Romney-care
-The cartoon villain is less dangerous than the villain you don't realize that is the villain "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
-The state needs some gutting
-And all the dems that closed schools for 18 months aren't insane?
-The dems removed 2 of the top 3 presidential candidates from ballots last election...
If they stopped at that it might not have been. But they don't exactly stop there and its clear they never even believed in this argument themselves. Because when Europe mostly met that NATO norm that was supposedly so important Trump and that piece of vermin Vance became even more open about their hatred of Europe. Only after this norm was mostly met did they talk about stealing European land and doing Putin all sorts of favors.
Besides for all the talk about Europe being ''bad allies'' its Europe that came to the US's aid when it got attacked, while Europe being in danger results in America trying with all their might to weasel out of returning the favor, and even colluding with the enemies trying to do us harm. Heck when discussing a problem created by the US and its pet Israel that piece of filth Vance still wasted everyone's time expressing his hatred for Europe, and being opposed to fixing the problem out of fear Europe might benefit more from that than the US. That freak absolutely despises us.
You don't plot to steal our land, send that vermin Vance to shout about how much he hates us, and scheme to help Putin get the ''peace'' he wants and then deny Republicans are anti Europe.
Yes they are. They might not have been once, but they sure are now.
Bases on what? Did she have a bussiness career defined by corruption and then a political career defined by corruption? Did she do a coup? Blackmail Zelensky? Ambush Zelensky and try to steal his minerals? Did she ignore covid? Does she cuddle up to foreign dictators? There's simply nothing suggesting Kamala is as bad as Trump.
And did this help Republicans not be fanatically against it? No, it didn't. Fact of the matter that whatever small steps towards actual healthcare and away from barbarism happened under Obama and Republicans have never been at peace with any of it.
Sorry I'm not going along in the premise that measures to protect the public from covid were secretly evil.
Wasn't one of those cases removing Trump under the correct premise that coup doing traitors shouldn't be able to run? And wasn't it a Republican judge making that decision?
No. Fact of the matter is that governments aren't the same as a company. Governments have task and responsibility that needs doing, and people that suffer when they maliciously ensure those task can't be done. Besides its mostly just Musk killing anything that might help the public to reserve more money for disgusting oligarchs like himself.
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Suitably vague and unverifiable. I wonder how well that excuse would fly if Command tried to get into contact with an active combat aircraft, and couldn't get through for 5 fucking hours. I suspect they'd find a way.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make, here. You believe the fact that they didn't convict him proves that he never trespassed...? Or some such bollocks, anyway.
Are you talking about Ukraine? Do you not want the war to end?
No they're not.
Her policies in California only made things worse and her proposed policies that she ran on would only make things worse.
Yet Trump put Marty Makary in charge of the FDA and he genuinely wants to help fix healthcare. That's more than Biden did during a fucking pandemic.
Uh-huh, you should be massively against what happened during the pandemic, it was all about the rich and well-off getting everything and the poor having to provide all the labor in dangerous conditions. Put on a mask and get to work!!! Then the people that have the luxury or working from home (the rich) get to work from home all while they order food on door dash that the peasants have to make and deliver. Oh, and all the rich kids get to continue going to school (because private schools didn't close) while the poor kids have to do remote learning!!! Also, no other country closed schools for any prolonged period because they did the science and it said closing schools was stupid but orange man wanted to schools open so "we must do the opposite because he's always wrong!!!" You act like we don't have massive amounts of data saying how horrible school closures were. Democratic policy was horrible during the pandemic like most of their policies are, people are sick and tired of it, look at how red even California is turning.
States don't have the ability to interpret federal laws. Plus, even if you wanna go and say Trump shouldn't run because of the coup, you'd have to charge him with said crime and find him guilty. Like if there was a law that a murderer can't run for president, they'd have to be a convicted murderer for that to apply. Any of those judges that voted to remove Trump should be removed from office for gross incompetence.
Uh-huh, and that is literally what happened during the pandemic but you're OK with that because it was your team doing it. Also, I have yet to see something gutted that is some vital service or funding yet. Kids going to school is more important than anything that I've seen be gutted.
If the Trump admin was ignoring the order, they'd still be ignoring the order. 5 hours after-hours of a normal workday to not get the order from the judge to the pilot is not something that's unbelievable.
If you have evidence someone did XYZ and you investigate it for 3 years and can't get a guilty verdict, did you then actually have evidence that said person did XYZ? I think not.
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I want to the war to have a lasting end. Which legalizing land grab wars in Europe doesn't achieve. I also wants the killing of Ukraine's citizens to stop which can't be achieved by giving Russia Ukrainian lands in which they can butcher the citizens, and use as a staging ground for the next invasion of a Ukraine that's been made unable to fight back. A peace on Russian terms is no peace at all, so Republicans trying to gasslight us that it is just shows how pro Russian they are.
Ending a war just so Russia can prepare for the next war doesn't work. And ending the war by sacrificing Ukraine does Ukraine zero favors. Trump wants a headline about him bring ''peace'' in the most gigantic quotation marks imaginable. He doesn't want the killing to actually end.
Harris being less competent than Trump is an argument you can theoretically make, though given Trump barely ranks above Buchanan I'd wish anyone making such an argument luck. Though such an argument says nothing about Harris secretly being more corrupt than the extremely corrupt Trump, more dangerous or malicious than he is. With Harris its unthinkable she'd have been an FDR, yet its also unthinkable she'd be a Buchanan which is very much the level Trump operates around.
You might want to rephrase that argument because from the very beginning it were the Republicans that wanted to sacrifice the public on the altar of getting people back to work. Also on one hand you seem to suggest putting people in close proximity to each other is the upper class treating everyone as expendable plebs, while at the same time making a big stink about schools not doing so. Also uh....yeah other countries did close schools for extended periods of time. I know because I live in one of them.
He was impeached over January six and the senate refusing to punish him for the crimes they admit he did(again) doesn't remove that impeachment. Also since he's an American aristocrat the upper class closed ranks and allowed the legal trial to happen after the election. By all accounts that judge was utterly correct in his action, and lots of misery and danger could have been avoided had Trump's actions indeed been allowed to cost him his ability to run.
Wasn't there that point where the fired to people taking care of the frigin nukes? Besides all the work that got done by all the thousands of fired still needs doing and Elon Musk of all people taking that into account would be a gigantic stretch at best. Critical damage is being done just so Musk can go funnel wealth to himself and his palls.
How do you think this would fly if I used it as a defence in court? "If I really didn't care about the law, I'd have broken it more than once, so therefore you should ignore the robbery!"
You can think whatever you want, but this just shows how little grasp you have of how law enforcement actually functions.
There can be no peace unless both Russia and Ukraine agree to it. If you only get one to agree, the other will continue the war.
What? You guys are complaining about Trump being a fascist dictator, then say how good FDR was when FDR was more of a fascist dictator than Trump. Make up your minds. Just because FDR did things you like doesn't mean he wasn't more fascist and dictatorial than Trump.
There was no reason to shut down society because of covid. You put the most restrictions on the people with the least risk, it made no fucking sense. Aside from doing some basic common sense closing of indoor large gatherings like say theaters and conventions and that type of stuff, all you really had to do was focus on protecting the vulnerable. What country besides the US even came close to closing schools for such a prolonged period. Once IIRC Sweden did their school study, everyone followed them besides the US.
Impeachment means basically nothing.
You guys keep not even being able to provide one example of something vital or some very important funding being gutted. Kids not going to school is massively more harmful than firing some people by mistake for like a week.
You still have no proof that the order was purposefully ignored. It's quite easy for something like that after-hours to not get through all the channels in a few hours.
If the person wasn't convicted, then there wasn't sufficient evidence.
The double standard with ''lawfare'' always gets me. When far right politicians do crimes they always say its a witch hunt and that they secretly didn't do any crimes. But when Biden's son is yet another rich kid getting on a board because he's a rich kid then this MUST be investigated and Trump MUST resort to blackmailing other states to get to the bottom of this. Similarly Comey using Clinton Email's to intervene in the election was considered totally valid.
So what's the different? Aside from the sheer scale of the crimes from the far right of course.
So what's the different? Aside from the sheer scale of the crimes from the far right of course.
Maybe the left politicians shouldn't make up scams and farces about right politicians so that when they say it's a witch hunt, they aren't right, just maybe...
Then, when there's a story about your side possibly being affiliated with a crime, don't tell everyone it's a conspiracy theory and can't possibly be true and call everyone idiots for saying it's true, and then it ends up being true in a couple months.
And what if it isn't a scam or face? Le Pen did do fraud with money, Trump did indeed call Zelensky to investigate his rivals and did indeed cut aid before he did so. Do all those far right politicians have evil twin siblings that can be posted to do crimes in their name or something?
Just for the record I can't recall a soul who said Clinton never used her private mail for government info. I don't recall people saying Hunter secretly wasn't on an Ukrainian board either.
When someone/some group make up lies, they become less believable. Maybe don't very very very purposefully lie in the 1st place.
The left said the laptop was a fake.
Two very useful defences after having committed a crime: "it was an accident" and "it was only once!"
...or any of the other reasons someone may not have been convicted.
Your time table is off. That time where the Trump administration made up some story about a blind computer repair guy stealing the laptop and making the whole thing look silly happened at the tail end of Trump's first regime. So when he blackmailed Zelensky people couldn't have taken into account that Rudy Colludy would come up with some blind computer repair guy, and therefore refuse to believe Trump was caught red handed. Similarly this whole fraud case with Le Pen is abut a decade old and predates Trump.
Also um....did you realize this argument cuts both ways? That the Trump administration spending its entire rule with lies and deceit makes them come off as less believably when Rudy Colludy suddenly found out a blind computer repair guy stealing laptops? Maybe they shouldn't have very very purposefully lied in the 1st place if they wanted that story to gain traction.