Funny events in anti-woke world

[Satinavian]

Slow-walking the stopping of fascism is almost always a bad idea.

The issue it that it is hard to forbid a political party in Germany. For good reasons.

The last time they tried it with the NPD (also far right, nowadays pretty meaningless), they failed. Mostly because the investigation was botched and many proofs didn't hold up in court. The NPD got a boost out of it being able to claim that all the investigation was just trying to silence the opposition.

That can't be allowed to happen again with the AfD as far as Scholz is concerned.

 

[Gergar12]

The issue it that it is hard to forbid a political party in Germany. For good reasons.

The last time they tried it with the NPD (also far right, nowadays pretty meaningless), they failed. Mostly because the investigation was botched and many proofs didn't hold up in court. The NPD got a boost out of it being able to claim that all the investigation was just trying to silence the opposition.

That can't be allowed to happen again with the AfD as far as Scholz is concerned.

At the end of the day, a democracy is almost always as good as its citizens. If Scholz can't do it, Germans themselves must vote and force the issue at the ballot box and in media interviews. Before they get control of the security forces and the institutions.

I and many Americans gave Trump time to learn from his mistakes because doing otherwise would mean we'd get further polarized and move further to societal chaos. Plus, he won, and those who voted voted for him. I even on many social media backed some of his decisions, like some of his tariffs, and fluffed up his anti-NATOism to gain concessions from NATO countries.

He then proceeded to put people in a work camp in a dictatorship, the same work camp I assumed would benefit people in Latin America in the long run and deter gangs and cartels.

I saw that in Mexico, after people protested the cartels and some even got guns, it didn't work. College students and sons and daughters still died. But if we keep putting people in work camps, lots of people in minority groups assumed to be in a gang will get put there. The power was pushed to the authoritarians. What Mexico needed was to have a conversation on race. Why are people of dark skin types discriminated against? It's a point of contention I have with many people, including many immigrants. Why do you guys stick to your race, sometimes gender, and oftentimes economic class?

Racism in Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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People want to come to countries that have had this conversation on race, like the US, UK, and Germany, which partially makes those countries great, but they don't want to have their conversation on race.

 

[Agema]

At the end of the day, a democracy is almost always as good as its citizens. If Scholz can't do it, Germans themselves must vote and force the issue at the ballot box and in media interviews. Before they get control of the security forces and the institutions.

Banning a party that citizens vote for is at best a temporary fix, because the chances are that those citizens will end up voting for the next party with pretty much exactly the same views. For the same reason, it's potentially very hard to wipe them out through an electoral vote.

We're watching this play out in several countries. In France, for instance, the far right have been - so far - steadfastly blocked in terms of the presidential election. But it's made serious inroads into the legislature and it was clear at the last election that that wall against it for the presidential election was crumbling.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

just like besties, better than besties

 

[laggyteabag]

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1919053040734072844

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1919053040734072844

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...of course he wouldn't know that red-colored lightsabers are a signature of the Sith.

 

[BrawlMan]

Birdman exposing the grift.
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[Phoenixmgs]

I suppose a black Cleopatra does rather miss the point. It might be tempting to see Roman expansion into Africa as a precursor of western colonization and thus emphasis Cleopatra's 'Egyptianness' as some sort of resistance against said colonization. Understandably if someone sees the world through that lens, but very wrong since Cleopatra herself was the head of a ''colonial'' regime. As such she's more the source of any precursion of colonialism than the resistance to it.

Cleopatra was a Greek(or Macedonian if you prefer) who came from an incest loving family so there's little room for any black ancestry to get in there. Still while I somewhat agree with the far right on this I do suspect historical accuracy isn't exactly their problem about a black Cleopatra. Even on this subject where we're somewhat in agreement I don't see them as being on my side.

Cleopatra is a good case study since she's practically never depicted accurately. The latest movie where she was black didn't depict her as a Greek queen but....well what media DOES? In about everything she's in Cleopatra's always far more a Pharaoh then a Greek queen. Also as far as race goes Greeks and Romans being played by white Brits as seemingly a rule doesn't really reflect their ethnicity either. ''Anglo saxons'' as Romans and Greeks are accepted because they are seen as the foundation of western civilization which white north European looking people see themselves as (and admittingly are seen as) the flagbearers of. But this argument does cut both ways. if white Romans are accepted because it highlights their westernness, then a black Cleopatra can be artistically justified if you highlight how much of an African she is. Which I think is a silly thing to do, but I can get the sentiment.

And sure it irritates me when Ptolemaic Egypt isn't Ptolemaic Egypt but a black Cleopatra doesn't irritate me particularly more then what HBO Rome or the original Rome Total war did with the place.

The Netflix Cleopatra thing wasn't a work of fiction. I forget if it was the promos or actually in the show that they said Cleopatra was actually black.

I mean, it's true....

But the problem is that those who complains about DEI say that lesser quality POC are getting picked over white people for jobs.

When they complain about the new Snow White, they aren't saying the actor is terrible and got the job as they were a POC. They are just complaining about skin tone.

Snow White is bad because it's clearly two movies stitched together as they stretched a 40 min thing into a movie. And CGI. Disney needs to pay and treats it's CGI peeps better.

And if they race swap a minority character with a white actor, the outrage would be deafening.

Do you have any evidence that Zeigler was picked over another person due to her skin tone? Her existing in a movie is not evidence

If not, it's not DEI or forced diversity.


Most old shows, books and movie were misogynistic and rascist because they refused to put women or POC into them

We aren't going to follow 1950s racial laws or 1920s anti-women laws or Jim Crowe just to make a book, movie or show more accurate.

Today, white short haired men are significantly favored over everyone else. Still. Even with the trend your pointing to.

When you have a massive trend, it's pretty apparent. Do you have proof that every video game with a white guy with short hair was forced?

Then, why do Disney characters feature more diversity than the current demographics of the US? You can't do the same thing but opposite and declare one thing is racist and the other isn't racist.

Nope, we're discussing tariffs right now. You're the one who brought tariffs back up, and now you're desperately trying to shift the topic off them?

I don't know how you're not embarrassed when this stuff happens. You post a link, it's immediately pointed out that it contradicts you explicitly... and then you just say "yeah well what about [unrelated topic]"? Maybe you are embarrassed, I suppose I can't tell.



Paul Offit disagrees. Why are you disagreeing with a world-renowned expert of his calibre?

If you don't admit you're wrong in past discussions, why would I admit I'm wrong?

And I think people really felt that was government overreach, especially the shuttering of schools. People were really angry about that. And at some level, justifiably, I think especially for children who had special needs who now aren't getting the services they need, I think that was part of it.

And then the following year, now you had a vaccine, and so you mandated vaccines for everything -- for bars, restaurants, and places of worship, I think, and sporting events. And people saw that as government overreach. So we just leaned into this libertarian left hook, and I think that's what we're feeling. We're feeling the results of that left hook.

Opinion | Vaccination in the Crosshairs: Paul Offit Sounds the Alarm

'Science is losing its place as a source of truth,' vaccine expert tells MedPage Today

www.medpagetoday.com

Paul says here that a bunch of people didn't need to be vaccinated but were forced to. Guess what happens when you force people to do things that they objectively don't need to do?

Ep 180: Part 1: Navigating Vaccine Hesitancy with Dr Paul Offit

Podcast Episode · Your Child is Normal: with Dr Jessica Hochman · 2025-04-14 · 22m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Silvanus]

If you don't admit you're wrong in past discussions, why would I admit I'm wrong?

Look, man. You're the one who brought this stuff up again. If you didn't want people to point out that your own source contradicted you, then you should have read it properly.

All this desperation to talk about anything except the topic you just brought back up is just embarrassing.

Paul says here that a bunch of people didn't need to be vaccinated but were forced to. Guess what happens when you force people to do things that they objectively don't need to do?

OK. So if you're saying we should trust what Paul Offit says-- he's the expert, after all! - then presumably you're also on the same page about RFK Jr. being a liar, sandbagger, and a peddler of dangerous misinformation.

 

[BrawlMan]

Trump wants to do tariffs on movies. Hope it was worth it, Trump voters.

Rewarding racism.
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[Hades]

And if they race swap a minority character with a white actor, the outrage would be deafening.

Isn't that a pretty common thing? How many times has Jesus been portrayed by a Jewish or at least Mediterranean actor? I believe Christopher Lee and Alec Guiness also played historical Arab leaders.

You also have the occasional ''white on white'' race swap where (not British) European figures are replaced by Americans. The last Samurai was of course French.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

Isn't that a pretty common thing? How many times has Jesus been portrayed by a Jewish or at least Mediterranean actor? I believe Christopher Lee and Alec Guiness also played historical Arab leaders.

You also have the occasional ''white on white'' race swap where (not British) European figures are replaced by Americans. The last Samurai was of course French.

Used to be more common than it is. One of the main reasons why practices such as blackface, yellowface, brownface and so on are so frowned upon now is because it used to be part and parcel to have white actors do that and in turn screw actual minority actors out of roles. Still got a couple of examples of that from no longer ago than the 2010s. Remember Johnny Depp playing a Native in Lone Ranger and Scarlett Johansson playing a Japanese woman in Ghost in the Shell?

Which is incidentally the reason why the opposite is not quite as controversial or at least used to be. Especially now, when so many productions are adaptations of something or another which was made in a time when ethnic minorities had very little presence in popular media, it'd be pretty hard to justify not offering any roles for actors of color, especially considering American movies are produced in one of the most ethnically diverse states in one of the most ethnically diverse nations on earth.

 

[thebobmaster]

I'm just going to leave this here...

 

[Trunkage]

The Netflix Cleopatra thing wasn't a work of fiction. I forget if it was the promos or actually in the show that they said Cleopatra was actually black.

It's about a dumb as people calling Cleo white.

And if they race swap a minority character with a white actor, the outrage would be deafening.

They do it all the time. Hollywood has trouble imagining movie making money that has a lead being non American

When you have a massive trend, it's pretty apparent. Do you have proof that every video game with a white guy with short hair was forced?

Then, why do Disney characters feature more diversity than the current demographics of the US? You can't do the same thing but opposite and declare one thing is racist and the other isn't racist.

Old trend was major blockbusters being generally limited to white males. This is stupid and racist and definitely does not get you the best actor for the job. See The Conqueror above. (Just the photo, the movie is absolute shite)

The trend you are noticing is movies moving toward a be more balance and meritocratic

As for Disney, they already did every possible variety of white princess. Even the Marvel started out sexist, not letting any females lead for a decade. Thank God we are moving away from that. If we kept that nonsense up, we wouldn't have gotten Pugh performance this weekend. Or Sinners

 

[Trunkage]

Used to be more common than it is. One of the main reasons why practices such as blackface, yellowface, brownface and so on are so frowned upon now is because it used to be part and parcel to have white actors do that and in turn screw actual minority actors out of roles. Still got a couple of examples of that from no longer ago than the 2010s. Remember Johnny Depp playing a Native in Lone Ranger and Scarlett Johansson playing a Japanese woman in Ghost in the Shell?

Which is incidentally the reason why the opposite is not quite as controversial or at least used to be. Especially now, when so many productions are adaptations of something or another which was made in a time when ethnic minorities had very little presence in popular media, it'd be pretty hard to justify not offering any roles for actors of color, especially considering American movies are produced in one of the most ethnically diverse states in one of the most ethnically diverse nations on earth.

Scarlett and Johnny were carted in to bolster a movie becuase Hollywood thinks only white people can lead.... instead of the studio selecting the best person for the job.

These were huge economic mistakes. Hollywood isn't being more diverse to be woke. They are only doing this to be economically sensible

 

[Agema]

Scarlett and Johnny were carted in to bolster a movie becuase Hollywood thinks only white people can lead.... instead of the studio selecting the best person for the job.

Because those were such big hits

Hey, Lone Ranger was one hell of an accomplishment in at least one way: abusive partner double team of Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer. That line-up has not aged well.

For that matter, if anyone does want to complain about "DEI hires", I'd just invite anyone to reflect on the fact that Armie Hammer was still making movies even before his dubious sex and relationship habits came to light. Still, I guess now Trump is in charge and sex offenders are back in, someone's going to be desperate to cast him for some right-wing virtue signalling.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I'm just going to leave this here...

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No, take it with you, please. In fact never show that again.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Remember Johnny Depp playing a Native in Lone Ranger and Scarlett Johansson playing a Japanese woman in Ghost in the Shell?

BuT H0llyWoOD n3eD$ b@nKabL3 AcT0rS!

 

[Hades]

I'm just going to leave this here...

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Didn't the dummies film on a nuclear test site and accidentally killed the poor sod they had play Ghengis?

 

[BrawlMan]

Old trend was major blockbusters being generally limited to white males. This is stupid and racist and definitely does not get you the best actor for the job. See The Conqueror above. (Just the photo, the movie is absolute shite)

The trend you are noticing is movies moving toward a be more balance and meritocratic

As for Disney, they already did every possible variety of white princess. Even the Marvel started out sexist, not letting any females lead for a decade. Thank God we are moving away from that. If we kept that nonsense up, we wouldn't have gotten Pugh performance this weekend. Or Sinners

Thank you. I do find ironic that the DCEU managed to get a leading female superhero movie before Marvel did. Performing great all across the boards.

Don't forget also that Phoenix is just another grifting know nothing guy who's a pawn of the grift. He's aware of this, yet doesn't want to admit it because he knows he has nothing to stand on at all. So it's as usual goal posting acts and living in his own pathetic and delusional reality.

BuT H0llyWoOD n3eD$ b@nKabL3 AcT0rS!

Yet both of those movies were total major flops. The Ghost in the Shell movie ironically enough, is liked by the Japanese and creator of the first two movies. It performed better in Japan than it did the west.

Alita performed better than Lone Ranger and GitS 2017 by comparison, and has a non white female a lead role. Alita is still loved and respected, while both movies have been pretty much forgotten about. Though GitS 2017 has some minor hardcore defenders, but they don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.