Funny events in anti-woke world

[XsjadoBlayde]

Because those were such big hits

Hey, Lone Ranger was one hell of an accomplishment in at least one way: abusive partner double team of Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer. That line-up has not aged well.

talking of poorly aged line-ups, I ain't seen it yet (and probably never will) but 'Get Him to the Greek' has gotta have one of the cursed cast lists - only shy of a saville and james corden to complete the unholy kuntagram ritual - I didn't even realise diddy was in as well till a few days ago lol

 

[Gordon_4]

talking of poorly aged line-ups, I ain't seen it yet (and probably never will) but 'Get Him to the Greek' has gotta have one of the cursed cast lists - only shy of a saville and james corden to complete the unholy kuntagram ritual - I didn't even realise diddy was in as well till a few days ago lol

Its not wholly cursed, but between Brand, Hill and Diddy its quality over quantity. For lack of a better phrase.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Didn't the dummies film on a nuclear test site and accidentally killed the poor sod they had play Ghengis?

They were downrange of a test site. They knew about it, and apparently it was deemed safe. A fair few people involved got cancer, but it has been argued that it wasn't an unusually high number. So, is a bit unclear.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Look, man. You're the one who brought this stuff up again. If you didn't want people to point out that your own source contradicted you, then you should have read it properly.

All this desperation to talk about anything except the topic you just brought back up is just embarrassing.



OK. So if you're saying we should trust what Paul Offit says-- he's the expert, after all! - then presumably you're also on the same page about RFK Jr. being a liar, sandbagger, and a peddler of dangerous misinformation.

You brought up plenty of stuff you are wrong about and never admit to being wrong about from seed oils to people being deported were protected residents.

I don't think RFK Jr is lying, I think he genuinely believes the stuff he says. And again, the stuff he says that is wrong, he isn't going to be able to change any of that. The stuff that RFK Jr will be able to change is stuff that Europe has already implemented so, again, why should I be worried? Also, where were you when the CDC keep pushing out constant misinformation about covid and the CDC director KNOWINGLY lied numerous times? You were defending and propagating all the misinformation, that's where you were... more stuff you never admit to being wrong about.

Isn't that a pretty common thing? How many times has Jesus been portrayed by a Jewish or at least Mediterranean actor? I believe Christopher Lee and Alec Guiness also played historical Arab leaders.

You also have the occasional ''white on white'' race swap where (not British) European figures are replaced by Americans. The last Samurai was of course French.

To be fair, Jesus is a fictional character. Like I said, you can't claim one thing as being racist and do the opposite and claim that as not being racist.

If they made the Black Panther white, say Martin Freeman's character instead of the sister, the outrage would be fucking ridiculous.

It's about a dumb as people calling Cleo white.


They do it all the time. Hollywood has trouble imagining movie making money that has a lead being non American



Old trend was major blockbusters being generally limited to white males. This is stupid and racist and definitely does not get you the best actor for the job. See The Conqueror above. (Just the photo, the movie is absolute shite)

The trend you are noticing is movies moving toward a be more balance and meritocratic

As for Disney, they already did every possible variety of white princess. Even the Marvel started out sexist, not letting any females lead for a decade. Thank God we are moving away from that. If we kept that nonsense up, we wouldn't have gotten Pugh performance this weekend. Or Sinners

Who was calling Cleo white?

How often has that happen in like the last say 10 years?

New trend of overcorrecting isn't good either. Another perfect example is that they race swapped Astrid from How to Train Your Dragon for literally no reason and it makes no sense.

Make new IPs with new characters instead of race swapping known characters. Nobody got upset over The Princess and the Frog IIRC, who cared that Aladdin didn't have white people in it? Nobody even wants these remakes, regardless of a race swap or not (say Little Mermaid or Lion King where you can't race swap), nobody is going to be watching these remakes like 10-20 years from now, everyone will be watching the originals whereas newish stuff that are newer IPs like say aforementioned Princess and the Frog, Moana, Lilo and Stitch will continue being beloved 20 years from now. Pugh's character isn't race or gender swapped.

 

[Silvanus]

You brought up plenty of stuff you are wrong about and never admit to being wrong about from seed oils to people being deported were protected residents.

No: these are just things we've argued about.

On none of these things has it turned out I was just objectively wrong. Some of them are somewhat subjective (seed oils). Some of them aren't (residents have legal protections). But on none of these things has it just turned out I was objectively wrong.

This right here, the question of tariffs? There is no dispute. Your own source explicitly states you're wrong on an objective question. And you will. Not. Acknowledge. It. You're trying desperately, pathetically, to shift us onto other topics. After you brought it up in the first place. It's goddamn embarrassing.

I don't think RFK Jr is lying, I think he genuinely believes the stuff he says. And again, the stuff he says that is wrong, he isn't going to be able to change any of that.

Blah blah blah. Next time you cite Offit (or any other expert), or use their perceived authority to bolster a point you're trying to make, I'll remind you of this moment: when you dismiss what your own favourite expert is saying when it's convenient.

 

[thebobmaster]

Didn't the dummies film on a nuclear test site and accidentally killed the poor sod they had play Ghengis?

Not only did they film downwind of a test site, when they filmed on soundstages, Howard Hughes had sand and such flown in from said filming site in order to maintain visual authenticity. Apparently, Howard Hughes spent his last days obsessively watching The Conqueror, and those close to him at the time said they believe he did so almost as an attempt to assuage his guilt over his belief that he killed John Wayne.

 

[Satinavian]

When they complain about the new Snow White, they aren't saying the actor is terrible and got the job as they were a POC. They are just complaining about skin tone.

Casting a role of someone who is supposedly so much whiter than everyone else that she is named for it with a POC and having other white actors in a movie is a bit silly though.

It is not a scandal but a strange choice. Sure, you can probably do various stuff to make her look whiter in the end, but that would also be questionable.

Overall it looks suspiciously as if they wanted to create controversy to make the movie more often discussed.

Scarlett and Johnny were carted in to bolster a movie becuase Hollywood thinks only white people can lead.... instead of the studio selecting the best person for the job.

These were huge economic mistakes. Hollywood isn't being more diverse to be woke. They are only doing this to be economically sensible

Yes, Hollywood still has issues.

But maybe instead of waiting for Hollywood to change, we should get more non-western movies into cinemas. Both India and China have huge movie industry already and many others have at least a respectable one. Sure, it is not Hollywood budgets, but if given a chance that might change.

 

[Schadrach]

Remember Johnny Depp playing a Native in Lone Ranger and Scarlett Johansson playing a Japanese woman in Ghost in the Shell?

I recall the internet blowing up about both of those too.

Scarlett and Johnny were carted in to bolster a movie becuase Hollywood thinks only white people can lead.... instead of the studio selecting the best person for the job.

Scarlett and Johnny were carted in to try to salvage a movie Hollywood thought needed a known name behind it to make any money. The thinking is that they're big enough to put butts in seats on name alone, regardless of what movie they're put in. And let's be fair, without them they'd likely have been even bigger flops. Most folks wouldn't even remember there was a recent Lone Ranger or GITS movie if not for them being in it, in part because of the controversy.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

As for Disney, they already did every possible variety of white princess. Even the Marvel started out sexist, not letting any females lead for a decade. Thank God we are moving away from that. If we kept that nonsense up, we wouldn't have gotten Pugh performance this weekend. Or Sinners

Like I said, (just now), Marvel didn't go woke, they just used up all of their bankable white men early and basically had to use minorities and women to keep making movies. And even then: the Black Widow movie came out years after people started asking for it, got cool to it, and stopped caring after the character died. Hell, they couldn't figure out a Blade movie for a decade

 

[Phoenixmgs]

No: these are just things we've argued about.

On none of these things has it turned out I was just objectively wrong. Some of them are somewhat subjective (seed oils). Some of them aren't (residents have legal protections). But on none of these things has it just turned out I was objectively wrong.

This right here, the question of tariffs? There is no dispute. Your own source explicitly states you're wrong on an objective question. And you will. Not. Acknowledge. It. You're trying desperately, pathetically, to shift us onto other topics. After you brought it up in the first place. It's goddamn embarrassing.



Blah blah blah. Next time you cite Offit (or any other expert), or use their perceived authority to bolster a point you're trying to make, I'll remind you of this moment: when you dismiss what your own favourite expert is saying when it's convenient.

Seed oils are objectively worse than butter... And the study you linked to was complete bullshit, you only linked to it because it agreed with your politics. You haven't proven anyone that Trump deported was a protected legal resident.

Paul Offit literally said the government lied about the vaccine. What do you think happens when people know the the government purposefully lied to them? Also, I didn't disagree with anything Offit said about RFK Jr.

I recall the internet blowing up about both of those too.

Although, the Japanese didn't care about ScarJo being cast in Ghost in the Shell. It's one of those things where basically white people are telling a minority how to feel like the whole stupid latinx bullshit.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Like I said, (just now), Marvel didn't go woke, they just used up all of their bankable white men early and basically had to use minorities and women to keep making movies. And even then: the Black Widow movie came out years after people started asking for it, got cool to it, and stopped caring after the character died. Hell, they couldn't figure out a Blade movie for a decade

No one has really cared about Marvel once Endgame was over, and Marvel completely fucked up the next phase(s). During the original run, there was only a few duds and most movies were fine, some were solid, and some were really great. After Endgame, there's no story or characters to care about, and the movies themselves have been so bad: Black Widow, Black Panther 2, Eternals, Thor 4, Doctor Strange 2, Ant-Man 3 and The Marvels (I heard both of those were bad). The TV shows were so bad as well, I watched basically most of the first group and stopped watching because they weren't good; Wandavision (started out great, turned into Marvel garbage in the 2nd half), Falcon (so boring), Moon Knight and She Hulk (just bad). Hawkeye was the only good season of TV, Loki was entertaining but wasn't a complete season. Outside of hearing really good word of mouth about new Marvel movies/shows, I'm totally not interested in seeing any of them.

 

[Bedinsis]

Although, the Japanese didn't care about ScarJo being cast in Ghost in the Shell. It's one of those things where basically white people are telling a minority how to feel like the whole stupid latinx bullshit.

No, the Japanese people in Japan didn't care. How the Japanese-American people felt is another story.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

No, the Japanese people in Japan didn't care. How the Japanese-American people felt is another story.

The character is a cyborg.

 

[Bedinsis]

The character is a cyborg.

Take that discussion with the Japanese-Americans.

 

[thebobmaster]

Like I said, (just now), Marvel didn't go woke, they just used up all of their bankable white men early and basically had to use minorities and women to keep making movies. And even then: the Black Widow movie came out years after people started asking for it, got cool to it, and stopped caring after the character died. Hell, they couldn't figure out a Blade movie for a decade

There is a bit more to it than that. Namely, Ike Perlmutter was the main reason it took so long for a Captain Marvel or Black Panther movie to be made, because he was and still likely is a racist/sexist POS who thought that people wouldn't see a movie featuring a non-male, non-white superhero. This is the same guy who deflected concerns about recasting Colonel Rhodes with "they all look the same, anyways". I also want to point out that Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall far before they used up "all their bankable white men".

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Take that discussion with the Japanese-Americans.

And maybe that organization is too American to understand things.

One telling reaction to Ghost In The Shell in Japan is that some viewers commented that it’s better to have Johansson play the role than an actress from another Asian country. Due to cultural and political sensitivities, local audiences may be more concerned about Asian actors being cast across national or ethnic lines.

How Asian audiences reacted to 'Ghost In The Shell'

The casting of Scarlett Johansson went largely unchallenged by Chinese and Japanese audiences.

www.screendaily.com

Some of these actresses mentioned would've been far worse than ScarJo.

“Apparently in Hollywood, Japanese people can’t play Japanese people anymore,” MANAA’s Robert Chan said in a statement. “There are many Japanese, Asian or Asian-American actresses who could’ve handled the role of the Major, including Rinko Kikuchi, Karen Fukuhara, Kiki Sukezane, Chloe Bennet, Maggie Q, Doona Bae, Li Bingbing and Gemma Chan.”

Asian American group slams "Ghost in the Shell," Scarlett Johansson

This weekend, "Ghost in the Shell" brought in $19 million at the box office along with a renewed wave of controversy

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Bedinsis]

Take that discussion with the Japanese-Americans.

 

[Silvanus]

Seed oils [...]

Distracting waffle, trying to shift the topic.

You brought up tariffs. Now you don't want to talk about them. This is solely because your own source directly contradicted you, and you're embarrassed that someone pointed it out.

Paul Offit literally said the government lied about the vaccine. What do you think happens when people know the the government purposefully lied to them?

Lol, let's see the direct quote.

I didn't disagree with anything Offit said about RFK Jr.

Cool. So you acknowledge he's a liar, a sandbagger, and spreading dangerous misinformation to the public. That's refreshing, because most of the time you're breathlessly defending the brainworm-addled fuckwit.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

There is a bit more to it than that. Namely, Ike Perlmutter was the main reason it took so long for a Captain Marvel or Black Panther movie to be made, because he was and still likely is a racist/sexist POS who thought that people wouldn't see a movie featuring a non-male, non-white superhero. This is the same guy who deflected concerns about recasting Colonel Rhodes with "they all look the same, anyways". I also want to point out that Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall far before they used up "all their bankable white men".

Heimdall was a cool side character and all, but Thor was the main character of the Thor movies.

 

[thebobmaster]

Heimdall was a cool side character and all, but Thor was the main character of the Thor movies.

Fair enough. I was thinking of racial flips, not in terms of main characters.