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Where's all the MAGA types who should be stepping up to take the jobs those illegals stole?

That article is little more than a couple quotes directly from someone running an advocacy group for immigrant farm labor. It was written by two people, one in New York and the other in London, based seemingly on that single source mixed with partially related public statements from others, none of which say anything about food left rotting in the fields.
 

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Lamest things on the planet having a bit of row again

Do it anyway, coward


That last sentence. Yes please, would be so funny
 
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Lamest things on the planet having a bit of row again

Do it anyway, coward


That last sentence. Yes please, would be so funny
Well, occasionally Donald Trump is going to say things I agree with: he's absolutely nailed Musk there.

Maybe this needs to be a lesson for kids about how drug abuse makes for bad decision-making.
 

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Well, occasionally Donald Trump is going to say things I agree with: he's absolutely nailed Musk there.
They can both fuck off and burn in hell. Trump had no problem letting Musk join his fruity little fucking club. So him pointing out the obvious, don't count for shit.

 

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They can both fuck off and burn in hell. Trump had no problem letting Musk join his fruity little fucking club. So him pointing out the obvious, don't count for shit.
It's something of an achievement for Trump. It also bodes well for one reducing the power of the other, at least somewhat.
 
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They can both fuck off and burn in hell. Trump had no problem letting Musk join his fruity little fucking club. So him pointing out the obvious, don't count for shit.
Well, one thing we know about Trump is that he's often not a good judge of other people's competence or suitability, hence the massive turnover of staff in his first administration.

In his second administration, he's mostly appointed by slavish loyalty, with an ethos that they can do what they like and everyone else has to put up with it so it doesn't matter whether they are competent or not. No apologies, no backing down. He's the king, and what he says goes.
 
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on the subject of wealthy businessmen/billionaires wanting to do what government do...

whoopsie doodles accidentally funded a failed coup in South Sudan again! (my lawyer says!)




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Wealthy Wall Street recluse claims he was duped by Harvard fellow into funding weapons for alleged coup in South Sudan

Financier Robert Granieri was allegedly duped into handing over millions to fund the purported attempt to topple the South Sudanese government


Thursday 26 June 2025 05:05 BST

Robert Granieri, the co-founder of the Wall Street trading firm Jane Street, was allegedly duped into handing over millions to fund the alleged attempt to topple the South Sudanese government, according to his lawyer.

Robert Granieri, the co-founder of the Wall Street trading firm Jane Street, was allegedly duped into handing over millions to fund the alleged attempt to topple the South Sudanese government, according to his lawyer. (U.S. Department of Justice)

A wealthy Wall Street “recluse” claimed he was duped by a Harvard fellow and another activist into allegedly funding weapons to mount a coup in South Sudan, according to his lawyer.

Robert Granieri, the co-founder of trading firm Jane Street, was allegedly deceived and “defrauded” after handing over millions to fund the purported attempt to topple the South Sudanese government, his lawyer told Bloomberg.

In early 2024, federal prosecutors in Arizona charged Harvard fellow Peter Ajak, a prominent economist, and Abraham Keech with conspiring to illegally export arms to South Sudan to overthrow the government of their home country. They have both pleaded not guilty.

Granieri, who has not been accused of wrongdoing by the U.S. government, allegedly transferred $7 million in two installments after meeting with Ajak in New York City in February 2024, Bloomberg reported.

The financier, whose company was the employer of crypto mogul Sam Bankman-Fried, claimed that he was misled by Ajak, a prominent political activist and former World Bank economist, his lawyer said.

“Granieri is a longtime supporter of human rights causes,” his lawyer’s statement to the outlet said. “In this case, the person Rob thought was a human rights activist defrauded Rob and lied about his intentions.”

Prosecutors have not disclosed where the accused obtained the money to purchase the weapons, but Ajak’s lawyers named Granieri in the recent court filing seen by Bloomberg and said he was “vital to the plan.”

Harvard fellow Peter Ajak (pictured in 2020) and Abraham Keech have been charged with conspiring to illegally export arms to South Sudan to overthrow the government of their home country. They have pleaded not guilty.

Harvard fellow Peter Ajak (pictured in 2020) and Abraham Keech have been charged with conspiring to illegally export arms to South Sudan to overthrow the government of their home country. They have pleaded not guilty. (AFP via Getty Images)

“Without the significant financing that Mr. Granieri could and agreed to provide, the alleged conspiracy would have been impossible,” Ajak’s lawyers reportedly said in the court filing dated May 29.

According to the criminal complaint last year, Ajak and Keech allegedly plotted to purchase AK-47s, sniper rifles, grenades and Stinger missiles for the purported takeover.

The Justice Department alleged in the complaint that the defendants violated U.S. law making it illegal to export weapons to South Sudan, which is subject to a U.N. arms embargo.

Before their arrest last year, they allegedly met with an undercover agent to inspect the weapons at a warehouse in Phoenix.

The DOJ shared a hand-written list of weapons for ‘Immediate consignment for Operation Free South Sudan’ in the criminal complaint against Ajak and Keech.

The DOJ shared a hand-written list of weapons for ‘Immediate consignment for Operation Free South Sudan’ in the criminal complaint against Ajak and Keech. (U.S. Department of Justice)

Ajak and Keech’s defense attorneys have signaled that they plan to pursue a “public authority” defense, according to Bloomberg. Defense attorneys allege the U.S. authorities were aware of the plan.

The defense also accused prosecutors of targeting the two Black men and not pursuing Granieri and another man referenced in the case, Garry Kasparov. He is a Russian dissident who has not been accused of wrongdoing by the U.S. government.

Prosecutors said the State Department told Ajak in October in 2023 that it would not fund plans for non-democratic regime change, according to the criminal complaint.

Before their arrest last year, Ajak and Keech allegedly met with an undercover agent to inspect the weapons at a warehouse in Phoenix.
Before their arrest last year, Ajak and Keech allegedly met with an undercover agent to inspect the weapons at a warehouse in Phoenix. (U.S. Department of Justice)

Ajak was a child soldier in Sudan in the 90s and fled to the U.S. He studied at the Harvard Kennedy School and eventually returned to Sudan to become a World Bank economist. He became a prominent political activist following South Sudan’s independence in 2011 after 20 years of civil war.

Ajak became a political prisoner in July 2018 after being arrested at South Sudan’s Juba International Airport. He was detained in the National Security Service’s infamous “blue house.”

In 2020, he was granted asylum in the U.S. once again. At the time, Ajak thanked the first Trump administration on social media for giving his family refuge.


Jane Street Boss Says He Was Duped Into Funding AK-47s for Coup


Photographs of weaponry the defendants allegedly sought to buy and export to South Sudan to stage a coup.

Photographs of weaponry the defendants allegedly sought to buy and export to South Sudan to stage a coup.Source: US Department of Justice

June 25, 2025 at 10:00 AM UTC

The indictment reads like a cinematic plot: A Harvard Fellow and another activist allegedly wanted to buy AK-47s, Stinger missiles and grenades to topple South Sudan’s government. What they lacked was enough cash.

Now, Jane Street co-founder Robert Granieri concedes he put up the money — saying he was duped into funding the alleged coup plot. The role played by the wealthy recluse behind a Wall Street trading powerhouse emerges from the US prosecution of Peter Ajak, the Harvard Fellow who was accused last year of scheming to install himself atop the East African nation.

“Granieri is a longtime supporter of human rights causes,” his lawyer said in a statement. “In this case, the person Rob thought was a human rights activist defrauded Rob and lied about his intentions.”

The case came to light in March 2024, when federal prosecutors in Arizona charged Ajak and Abraham Keech with conspiring to illegally export arms to their home country. Both have pleaded not guilty.

While prosecutors haven’t said where the defendants obtained several million dollars for an attempt to buy military-grade weaponry, Ajak’s lawyers pointed to Granieri in a recent filing — saying the 53-year-old financier was “vital to the plan.”

“Without the significant financing that Mr. Granieri could and agreed to provide, the alleged conspiracy would have been impossible,” they wrote in the document filed in late May.

The lawyers accused authorities of selectively prosecuting two Black men, even though support also came from Granieri and Garry Kasparov, the chess champion and prominent Russian dissident. The US hasn’t accused either of them of wrongdoing.

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Garry KasparovPhotographer: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images

Kasparov came to know Ajak when the chessmaster was chair of the Human Rights Foundation. He later connected Ajak with Granieri, according to people familiar with the situation, who asked not to be identified discussing the legal case.

“My record and my values are clear, and they remain unchanged,” Kasparov said in a statement sent by a spokesperson, in response to questions about the case. “I have spent much of my life standing up for civil rights and promoting democracy around the world.”


Scarlet Pearl

To industry outsiders, Jane Street is probably best known as the former employer of Sam Bankman-Fried, before he left to build a crypto empire that imploded.

But across Wall Street, the market-making firm is a source of fascination — known for turning mathematicians into traders who mint profits. It generated $20.5 billion in net trading revenue last year, helping it leap past the likes of Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc.

Despite Jane Street’s ascent in the industry, Granieri has kept a low profile. He’s one of the firm’s four founders — and the only one still there. Yet he’s not featured on the company’s website, and public photos of him are scarce.

The firm’s success has allowed Granieri to pour money into other ventures and causes. He helped build the Scarlet Pearl, a casino resort on the Gulf Coast in Mississippi, was a major financial backer for Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley, and has donated to the Equal Justice Initiative and Institute for Justice.

He also channeled money into causes Kasparov backed around the globe.


Youngest Country

South Sudan — slightly larger than France — became the world’s youngest country after seceding from Sudan in 2011 following more than 20 years of civil war.

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George Clooney on the eve of South Sudan’s independence referendum in 2011.Photographer: Roberto Schmidt/AFP/Getty Images

The bloody regional conflict displaced millions of people, drew attention from human rights activists and gained mainstream awareness after actor George Clooney championed intervention in the early 2000s. Despite emerging as an independent nation, stability still eludes its people.

Ajak aimed to change that.

After escaping life as a child soldier in Sudan in the 1990s, he resettled in the US as one of the “Lost Boys.” He went on to study at the Harvard Kennedy School before returning to Sudan as a World Bank economist. After South Sudan’s independence, Ajak became a prominent opposition activist and political prisoner there, later seeking asylum in the US.

One sticking point in the court case is how much, if anything, US authorities knew about Ajak and Keech’s alleged plan to topple South Sudan’s government.

Attorneys for both men have signaled in court that they plan to pursue a “public authority” defense, essentially claiming that US officials had supported their plan. Prosecutors said Ajak was told by the State Department in October 2023 that it wouldn’t fund plans for non-democratic regime change.

Ajak and Keech are accused of forging ahead regardless. For that, they needed financial backing.


‘He Lied to Me’

The financing took shape early last year amid a flurry of meetings. Some were at the law firm Paul Hastings, where Ajak’s former pro bono attorney, Renata Parras, worked, according to the May filing. Another attendee was public-relations specialist Michael Holtzman, who previously advised the State Department, that filing says. Prosecutors haven’t accused Parras or Holtzman of wrongdoing.

“Based on the government’s indictment of Peter, it would seem he lied to me and others about his intentions from the outset,” Holtzman said in a statement. Parras didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The search for cash culminated at a Midtown Manhattan condominium building that February, according to prosecutors. That’s where Granieri first met Ajak, people with knowledge of the matter said. The next day, charging documents allege, Ajak sent an encrypted message to an undercover agent, writing: “We are getting the funding.”

The financier later transferred $7 million in two stages, according to people with knowledge of the payments.

Within a few weeks of the condo meeting, prosecutors say Ajak and Keech inspected a cache of weaponry inside a Phoenix warehouse. They were soon arrested.
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The numbers per million are absolutely relevant if you want to argue that scientists must be lying if they didn't spot the increase. Because you're saying they must have spotted an increase from ~1050 to ~1055 per million (even though such fluctuations are well within the expected variations) in a span of a couple of weeks. Its absurd.



Young men suffered issues from covid at a rate of less than 0.005%, that's what you're seriously going to argue. OK.

Dude, the death rate alone from covid among young men was significantly higher than 0.005%.



Even you don't believe this. Even among children, the rate of arrhythmia after covid was ~2% -- massively lower than for adults, yet massively higher than the incidence of myocarditis from either covid or the vaccine.



So in short, no, government/ scientific institution guidance did not call for masks with holes cut in them. Good talk.
They did spot the increase... Why the hell do you think it was studied to begin with?

You're changing the terms of what I said, shocker...

IIRC, the stat was something like 90% of children already got covid before the vaccine was available to them so why would you force them to get the vaccine? Also, I very much doubt your 2% statistic. The flu can cause arrhythmia, why don't we have flu vaccine mandates?

"Science" was the reason for it as I said.
 

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Lamest things on the planet having a bit of row again

Do it anyway, coward
Yes, please. He'd mostly take votes from GOP, and even if it only lasted for one election cycle before being down around the other couple dozen parties we technically have that no one gives a shit about it might generate enough spoiler effect to turn the tides in vaguely competitive places.
 

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They did spot the increase... Why the hell do you think it was studied to begin with?
No, they didn't spot the statistical increase, because this was based on 14 cases-- well within the norm. What they spotted was a cluster. Clusters happen for all sorts of reasons; some warrant research, some turn out to be nothing. But to expect America to treat a second-hand report of a (very small) cluster in another country as a signal to pump public money into research...? That's not how these decisions are made. Nobody lied.

You're changing the terms of what I said, shocker...
I directly asked you if you believed that "for young men, the rate of complications for covid is less than 5 per million, 0.005% chance", and you replied yes.

IIRC, the stat was something like 90% of children already got covid before the vaccine was available to them so why would you force them to get the vaccine? Also, I very much doubt your 2% statistic. The flu can cause arrhythmia, why don't we have flu vaccine mandates?
Irrelevant deflecting questions.

The rate of arrhythmia post-covid for kids was much, much lower than for adults. And yet it was still over 130 times more likely than getting myocarditis from the vaccine for young men. That's how completely, utterly, stupidly negligible the risk is. So if you think the risk of arrhythmia for kids was so small we should've disregarded it, you're being hypocritical--- because you want to prioritise a risk that's so. much. smaller. still.

EDIT: Good lord, I missed a decimal point, it's actually 1,300 times more likely (2% vs 0.0015%).

"Science" was the reason for it as I said.
And then you spent ages arguing that it was down to gov/scientific institution guidance. That these places don't just make decisions on their own. But you can't point to any such guidance.
 
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Oh hey that bill all about giving tax breaks to the ultra rich and stealing health care from the poor and the middle class passed the Senate! That bill every American knew was coming yet the majority refused to do anything about last election. So they can go enjoy it to their hearts content.

Tragic for those that did their duty though.
 

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No, they didn't spot the statistical increase, because this was based on 14 cases-- well within the norm. What they spotted was a cluster. Clusters happen for all sorts of reasons; some warrant research, some turn out to be nothing. But to expect America to treat a second-hand report of a (very small) cluster in another country as a signal to pump public money into research...? That's not how these decisions are made. Nobody lied.



I directly asked you if you believed that "for young men, the rate of complications for covid is less than 5 per million, 0.005% chance", and you replied yes.



Irrelevant deflecting questions.

The rate of arrhythmia post-covid for kids was much, much lower than for adults. And yet it was still over 130 times more likely than getting myocarditis from the vaccine for young men. That's how completely, utterly, stupidly negligible the risk is. So if you think the risk of arrhythmia for kids was so small we should've disregarded it, you're being hypocritical--- because you want to prioritise a risk that's so. much. smaller. still.



And then you spent ages arguing that it was down to gov/scientific institution guidance. That these places don't just make decisions on their own. But you can't point to any such guidance.
It would be extremely unlikely that it was merely just a cluster that also matches what Israel was seeing. Also, it is literally a signal.

No, I didn't. Reread that.

I'm challenging your 2% stat, where's the source? Same with this 130 times number you just threw out.

All the mask mandates everywhere that literally happened, why the fuck did they happen if it wasn't gov/scientific guidance?
 

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Yes, please. He'd mostly take votes from GOP, and even if it only lasted for one election cycle before being down around the other couple dozen parties we technically have that no one gives a shit about it might generate enough spoiler effect to turn the tides in vaguely competitive places.
Assuming there's a remotely fair election in the works. But still, can't hurt.
 

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Well, one thing we know about Trump is that he's often not a good judge of other people's competence or suitability, hence the massive turnover of staff in his first administration.

In his second administration, he's mostly appointed by slavish loyalty, with an ethos that they can do what they like and everyone else has to put up with it so it doesn't matter whether they are competent or not. No apologies, no backing down. He's the king, and what he says goes.
No one is allowed to claim they are smarter than Trump, let alone actually be smarter than Trump. He HAS to put in people who are less competent than him because there is no reality in Trump world where there would be someone more competent than him
 

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It would be extremely unlikely that it was merely just a cluster that also matches what Israel was seeing. Also, it is literally a signal.
We've already seen the source that states research began in response to 14 cases. That's a cluster. And a cluster can be a signal, or it may not be.

No, I didn't. Reread that.
Me: "Here's a question. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that for young men, the rate of complications for covid is less than 5 per million people? 0.005% chance? That's what it would need to be, in order to he outweighed by the negligible risk of myocarditis."

You: "Healthy young me, yes. Young men that already had covid before the vaccine was available, yes. It's not just myocarditis as the only harm of the vaccine."

So, yes, you did say that. That's directly copied.

I'm challenging your 2% stat, where's the source? Same with this 130 times number you just threw out.

(Interestingly, also puts the mortality rate of covid in children as "<0.1%". Which is of course very low... but would still be over 6 times as likely as getting myocarditis from the vaccine!)

EDIT: See the edit to my previous post, this 6x number is is based on a missed decimal point; it's actually over 60x higher.

All the mask mandates everywhere that literally happened, why the fuck did they happen if it wasn't gov/scientific guidance?
We're discussing masks with holes in them, not mask mandates. Stay on topic. Where's the guidance from governments or scientific institutions to wear masks with holes in them?
 
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Corruption in action. Here we see the absurdity of a system that insists that the president be protected from legal action, yet allows the president to take out legal actions against others.
That is a valid case though...

We've already seen the source that states research began in response to 14 cases. That's a cluster. And a cluster can be a signal, or it may not be.



Me: "Here's a question. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that for young men, the rate of complications for covid is less than 5 per million people? 0.005% chance? That's what it would need to be, in order to he outweighed by the negligible risk of myocarditis."

You: "Healthy young me, yes. Young men that already had covid before the vaccine was available, yes. It's not just myocarditis as the only harm of the vaccine."

So, yes, you did say that. That's directly copied.




(Interestingly, also puts the mortality rate of covid in children as "<0.1%". Which is of course very low... but would still be over 6 times as likely as getting myocarditis from the vaccine!)



We're discussing masks with holes in them, not mask mandates. Stay on topic. Where's the guidance from governments or scientific institutions to wear masks with holes in them?
There was at minimum 2 clusters. It was a signal or else it wouldn't have been studied.

I did not say this:
I directly asked you if you believed that "for young men, the rate of complications for covid is less than 5 per million, 0.005% chance", and you replied yes.

From your source:
The incidence of arrhythmia associated with SARS-CoV-2 in children is much lower, with only a few case series or case reports to date.

Again, it's easier to wear a mask with a hole in it to abide by mask policy vs asking for an exemption. The mask policy is there because of government/scientific guidance.
 

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There was at minimum 2 clusters. It was a signal or else it wouldn't have been studied.
Not quite. The cluster that prompted the retrospective of cases in the US military covered a timeframe ending 30 April-- after she made that statement. The Israel cluster covered a timeframe ending a couple of weeks before, so that's the only one she could even *possibly* have known about.

If you think the US gov should launch research whenever a second-hand report of a tiny cluster in a foreign country surfaces, say so. And we can discuss how completely unworkable and asinine that suggestion is.

I did not say this:
Yes you did. That question is copied directly from my previous post. Your response was: "in healthy young men, yes". Yes. Yes. Yes. That's what you said, now stop weaseling out of it, and acknowledge you made a mistake. Then we can move on, with it solidly established that even for young men, the risks of covid enormously outweigh the negligible risks of the vaccine.

From your source:
The incidence of arrhythmia associated with SARS-CoV-2 in children is much lower, with only a few case series or case reports to date.
Yep! And elsewhere in that source, it gives numbers for incidence, resting at ~1.8%-- and higher for other risks.

Again, it's easier to wear a mask with a hole in it to abide by mask policy vs asking for an exemption. The mask policy is there because of government/scientific guidance.
K, so there wasn't actual guidance to do that. Good talk.
 
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