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Hi. What is the value of watching confounding word wizard Jordan Peterson debate 20 atheists? What can we learn from the intensely frustrating experience of watching one of these Jubilee "Surrounded" videos? We actually have an answer.

Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
01:25 - Cody Reacts!
07:14 - Jordan’s Sloppy Words
13:34 - Jordan tries and fails to define God and Science
19:01 - We don’t BELIEVE you, Jordan
25:08 - Jordan doesn’t believe in God
33:54 - Okay, Jordan, sure
39:57 - Jordan’s “Talent”
48:02 - The Right Loves Semantics
58:52 - The Right Wing Attack On Words
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A new low point fo rDutch VVD leader Yesilgoz, the lady who brought down the last government under a completely fictional pretext, lost the ensuing election to Wilders and then started a far right government with him. You'd think it be hard to disappoint after having done all that but that's not letting that go getter stop her!

This week there was an incident with the Dutch singer ''Douwe Bob''. He agreed to play at a Jewish events but wanted no political statements at the scene. When the organisers broke that promise Douwe Bob cancelled his performance. Predictably the far right started slandering him as a Jew Hater. Then Yesilgoz got herself involved, using her platform and reach as VVD leader to publicly name and shame Douwe Bob as a ''Jew Hater'' and his action's ''the face of hatred in full view'' which resulted in so many death threats Douwe Bob now has fled the country for his and his children's safety.

That's a really deep low she sunk to, and even when knowing the full context she refuses to apologize.
 

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Not quite. The cluster that prompted the retrospective of cases in the US military covered a timeframe ending 30 April-- after she made that statement. The Israel cluster covered a timeframe ending a couple of weeks before, so that's the only one she could even *possibly* have known about.

If you think the US gov should launch research whenever a second-hand report of a tiny cluster in a foreign country surfaces, say so. And we can discuss how completely unworkable and asinine that suggestion is.



Yes you did. That question is copied directly from my previous post. Your response was: "in healthy young men, yes". Yes. Yes. Yes. That's what you said, now stop weaseling out of it, and acknowledge you made a mistake. Then we can move on, with it solidly established that even for young men, the risks of covid enormously outweigh the negligible risks of the vaccine.



Yep! And elsewhere in that source, it gives numbers for incidence, resting at ~1.8%-- and higher for other risks.



K, so there wasn't actual guidance to do that. Good talk.
It's literally in the article that was written the same day as when she said there was no signal. If the journalist had this info, surely the CDC director had this info. Also, Israel found a signal before that as well. To say there is no signal and to say you don't think a signal is worth investigating are 2 different things.

I did not say for the entirety of young men is my point.

And those numbers are mainly for PATIENTS, not the overall population. Like only 1% of kids, if that, went to the hospital over covid and 2% of that group got arrhythmia (technically tachyarrhythmia), not 2% of kids overall. You're comparing incidents of one thing in the entire population group of kids vs incidents of another thing in a very small subgroup of kids. It's apples and oranges.

It was there because of government/science, there was literally no science ever (even today) to have any mask policy anywhere for covid.
 

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It's literally in the article that was written the same day as when she said there was no signal. If the journalist had this info, surely the CDC director had this info.
Ah ok, that article is from a little earlier than the one I saw (the one I saw was from April 30th).

And yes, the CDC clearly had the information that there had been 14 cases of it-- the article itself says the CDC was already looking into it. That ain't a signal. It's a (very, very small) cluster; Potentially nothing. To label that a signal, without any causal connection found, with no actual relationship established, would be downright irresponsible.

Also, Israel found a signal before that as well. To say there is no signal and to say you don't think a signal is worth investigating are 2 different things.
Israel found a cluster, that they considered to be a signal to launch research. What justifies research obviously differs from organisation to organisation, and foreign countries obviously don't have access to all the data from others around the world within a matter of days. What did America have to go on regarding the Israel cluster...? A second-hand report a couple of weeks before. That may be significant, it may not be. To say that a decision not to immediately launch research into it must be down to "lying" is just foolish.

I did not say for the entirety of young men is my point.
Probably shouldn't have responded to the question with "yes", then.

At least we're now on the same page: that the dangers of covid to young men vastly outweigh the dangers of the vaccine.

And those numbers are mainly for PATIENTS, not the overall population. Like only 1% of kids, if that, went to the hospital over covid and 2% of that group got arrhythmia (technically tachyarrhythmia), not 2% of kids overall. You're comparing incidents of one thing in the entire population group of kids vs incidents of another thing in a very small subgroup of kids. It's apples and oranges.
Firstly: I realised some of my maths was missing a decimal point, using 0.005% in place of 0.0005% (for the increased risk of myocarditis from the vaccine vs covid) and 0.015% in place of 0.0015% (for the overall risk of myocarditis in the vaccinated group). I've gone back to include clarifications to my previous posts.

Buddy, the 0.0015% rate for myocarditis is not from the absolute overall population either. We are unavoidably using proxy subgroups from hospital/medical settings for both demographics: covid sufferers and vaccine recipients.

But you know what I find very funny...? Even if we fully accepted your numbers as a hypothetical, we would end up with 2% of 1%, or 0.02% when extrapolated to the population. Which is STILL over 10 times as likely as myocarditis from the vaccine (0.0015%)!

It was there because of government/science, there was literally no science ever (even today) to have any mask policy anywhere for covid.
You can claim they did it because of gov/science institutional guidance all you like. But no such guidance told them to do it. You were asked to find some, you failed to do so, move on.
 
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A new low point fo rDutch VVD leader Yesilgoz, the lady who brought down the last government under a completely fictional pretext, lost the ensuing election to Wilders and then started a far right government with him. You'd think it be hard to disappoint after having done all that but that's not letting that go getter stop her!

This week there was an incident with the Dutch singer ''Douwe Bob''. He agreed to play at a Jewish events but wanted no political statements at the scene. When the organisers broke that promise Douwe Bob cancelled his performance. Predictably the far right started slandering him as a Jew Hater. Then Yesilgoz got herself involved, using her platform and reach as VVD leader to publicly name and shame Douwe Bob as a ''Jew Hater'' and his action's ''the face of hatred in full view'' which resulted in so many death threats Douwe Bob now has fled the country for his and his children's safety.

That's a really deep low she sunk to, and even when knowing the full context she refuses to apologize.
He proposed they discuss the matter right after she tarred and feathered him, and she was like 'nah'. Then after things started to heat up in the media she got the spotlight on her, and suddenly she wanted to discuss things with him now that the aim was on her. She's a cowardly snake, desperate to copy Wilders just to give herself some identity as a political leader.
 

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It's fucking depressing how in The Netherlands even the most leftist media is like 'What's happening in Gaza is absolutely vile and inhuman... but Israel's safety takes precedent over all.' This is why the usual question to critics of Israel of 'Does Israel have a right to exist?' is so disgusting, as it's equating everything Israel is doing and has done throughout its entire existence as its right to exist.
 

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Now that zionism is starting to (negatively) enter the public conscience we're already seeing attempts made in the media to lauder the term - How it's very broad and that there's bad zionism but also good zionism.
 

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Ah ok, that article is from a little earlier than the one I saw (the one I saw was from April 30th).

And yes, the CDC clearly had the information that there had been 14 cases of it-- the article itself says the CDC was already looking into it. That ain't a signal. It's a (very, very small) cluster; Potentially nothing. To label that a signal, without any causal connection found, with no actual relationship established, would be downright irresponsible.



Israel found a cluster, that they considered to be a signal to launch research. What justifies research obviously differs from organisation to organisation, and foreign countries obviously don't have access to all the data from others around the world within a matter of days. What did America have to go on regarding the Israel cluster...? A second-hand report a couple of weeks before. That may be significant, it may not be. To say that a decision not to immediately launch research into it must be down to "lying" is just foolish.



Probably shouldn't have responded to the question with "yes", then.

At least we're now on the same page: that the dangers of covid to young men vastly outweigh the dangers of the vaccine.



Firstly: I realised some of my maths was missing a decimal point, using 0.005% in place of 0.0005% (for the increased risk of myocarditis from the vaccine vs covid) and 0.015% in place of 0.0015% (for the overall risk of myocarditis in the vaccinated group). I've gone back to include clarifications to my previous posts.

Buddy, the 0.0015% rate for myocarditis is not from the absolute overall population either. We are unavoidably using proxy subgroups from hospital/medical settings for both demographics: covid sufferers and vaccine recipients.

But you know what I find very funny...? Even if we fully accepted your numbers as a hypothetical, we would end up with 2% of 1%, or 0.02% when extrapolated to the population. Which is STILL over 10 times as likely as myocarditis from the vaccine (0.0015%)!

You can claim they did it because of gov/science institutional guidance all you like. But no such guidance told them to do it. You were asked to find some, you failed to do so, move on.
According to the WHO and UMC definition, a safety signal refers to information on a new or known side effect that may be caused by a medicine and is typically generated from more than a single report of a suspected side effect. It’s important to note that a signal does not indicate a direct causal relationship between a side effect and a medicine, but is essentially only a hypothesis that, together with data and arguments, justifies the need for further assessment.

I didn't respond yes to ALL young males because I know it would be dumb to not vaccinate the people in that group that are vulnerable. A healthy young kid had no reason to be forced a vaccination. Young men couldn't go to certain schools if they didn't get vaccinated, some even forced boosters, kids going to the Museum of SCIENCE in California had to be boosted, and just where I lived at the time (Cook County, IL - Chicago's county), kids couldn't eat at restaurants without being vaccinated. This was all in the name of science!!! The flu is more deadly to kids than covid and the flu shot isn't required, yet they were forced to get the covid shot to eat a restaurant, that is just pure idiocy and the opposite of science.

For sure, less than 1% of kids were hospitalized for covid.
About 234,000 children under age 18 were hospitalized with confirmed cases of COVID-19 from fall 2020 to spring 2024, according to AAP analysis of data collected by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)

Also, your 1.7%-1.8% group is even smaller than you think. Those percentages are only for patients with severe covid or MIS-C. Less than 1% of kids were hospitalized for covid, and then the percentage of kids that got severe covid/MIS-C is another very small piece of that less than 1% pie.
Eligible patients had acute severe COVID‐19 (admitted to the intensive care unit or stepdown unit) or MIS‐C (Data S1)

I said it happened because of science and all the mask policies/mandates were implemented because of science regardless if there was actually a scientific group that said to wear masks when playing instruments. There was no reason to recommend masking period.
 

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According to the WHO and UMC definition, a safety signal refers to information on a new or known side effect that may be caused by a medicine and is typically generated from more than a single report of a suspected side effect. It’s important to note that a signal does not indicate a direct causal relationship between a side effect and a medicine, but is essentially only a hypothesis that, together with data and arguments, justifies the need for further assessment.
So?

I didn't respond yes to ALL young males
Then you shouldn't have responded "yes" at all, considering that's what I asked.

So: do you think the rate of complications for covid-suffering healthy young men is less than 0.0015%? Spoiler: It's not.

For sure, less than 1% of kids were hospitalized for covid.
About 234,000 children under age 18 were hospitalized with confirmed cases of COVID-19 from fall 2020 to spring 2024, according to AAP analysis of data collected by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
Nobody is disputing that. You said that although your 2% was only of a subgroup, my 0.0015% was of the entire population. I said that wasn't really true regarding mine, but that we'd try out your numbers for the hypothetical. So we applied your suggested adjustment, and your numbers were still so much worse.

There's no amount of data manipulation you can leverage to get the risks of covid below 0.0015% for any group, sorry.

Also, your 1.7%-1.8% group is even smaller than you think. Those percentages are only for patients with severe covid or MIS-C. Less than 1% of kids were hospitalized for covid, and then the percentage of kids that got severe covid/MIS-C is another very small piece of that less than 1% pie.
Eligible patients had acute severe COVID‐19 (admitted to the intensive care unit or stepdown unit) or MIS‐C (Data S1)
Except of course that some people outside of that subgroup will also be experiencing tachyarrhythmia, and will not be included. And that this covers one of many forms of heart complication caused by covid.

If the proxy group is insufficient, either find a sufficient one or stop making claims about it.

I said it happened because of science and all the mask policies/mandates were implemented because of science regardless if there was actually a scientific group that said to wear masks when playing instruments. There was no reason to recommend masking period.
K, so there was no guidance from gov or scientific institutions to wear masks with holes in. Good talk. I don't know why you keep responding over and over again to this, without introducing any new information.
 
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Laura Loomer thought it'd be funny to post that alligators in Florida would get "65 million meals" with the new Everglades detention center.


Mind you, 65 million isn't the number of illegal immigrants in the US. It's the number of Latinos in the US. So yeah, Loomer is advocating for all the country's brown people to be fed to alligators.
 

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So?



Then you shouldn't have responded "yes" at all, considering that's what I asked.

So: do you think the rate of complications for covid-suffering healthy young men is less than 0.0015%? Spoiler: It's not.



Nobody is disputing that. You said that although your 2% was only of a subgroup, my 0.0015% was of the entire population. I said that wasn't really true regarding mine, but that we'd try out your numbers for the hypothetical. So we applied your suggested adjustment, and your numbers were still so much worse.

There's no amount of data manipulation you can leverage to get the risks of covid below 0.0015% for any group, sorry.



Except of course that some people outside of that subgroup will also be experiencing tachyarrhythmia, and will not be included. And that this covers one of many forms of heart complication caused by covid.

If the proxy group is insufficient, either find a sufficient one or stop making claims about it.



K, so there was no guidance from gov or scientific institutions to wear masks with holes in. Good talk. I don't know why you keep responding over and over again to this, without introducing any new information.
The fact that further assessment happened literally means it was a signal.

You have literally no proof of your claim of the rate of complications. You're comparing population levels of one thing to not population levels of another thing.

From your study, the people that get the complications are mainly those who are vulnerable with underlying conditions. Hence, why I never said ALL young men. All you gotta do is use common sense, this isn't some complicated problem. However, the people getting myocarditis from the vaccine could be anyone within those sex-age groups regardless of having previous conditions or not. Healthy young people should've been told to get the vaccine IF THEY WANT (IF THEY NEVER HAD COVID ALREADY), the problem was it was forced and literally for no reason as there is no community benefit to the vaccine (another lie).
The majority (82%) of patients with acute COVID‐19 who developed tachyarrhythmias had underlying medical conditions compared with a minority (42%) of patients with MIS‐C. Nearly one‐quarter of patients with acute COVID‐19 and tachyarrhythmias had underlying cardiovascular conditions (n=5, 23%), including congenital heart disease in 3 (14%) patients, cardiomyopathy in 2 (9%), and arrhythmia in 2 (9%).

So what if people outside the group will be experiencing tachyarrhythmia, not every person getting myocarditis from the vaccine will be counted either.

You moved the goalpost. If "science" didn't say to wear masks to begin with, none of this would've happened.
 

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The fact that further assessment happened literally means it was a signal.
It means it was considered such by Israel, sure.

You have literally no proof of your claim of the rate of complications. You're comparing population levels of one thing to not population levels of another thing.
You've been provided with the PubMed links already. You've even engaged with the content, so I know you've at least opened them.

From your study, the people that get the complications are mainly those who are vulnerable with underlying conditions. Hence, why I never said ALL young men.
K. The rate of complications for healthy young men is still going to be enormously higher than 0.0015%.

So what if people outside the group will be experiencing tachyarrhythmia, not every person getting myocarditis from the vaccine will be counted either.
The point being that when calculating incidence, you first took the incidence in a subgroup (the severely hospitalised), but then when extrapolating that to the wider population, you just wanted to chalk everyone outside that subgroup as a negative. That's not how it works; what we're looking at is not limited to that subgroup.

A comparison to myocarditis here isn't relevant, because I've not attempted any such extrapolation; I've not attempted to exclude entire demographics that are susceptible. My group is already a proxy for vaccine recipients in general.

You moved the goalpost. If "science" didn't say to wear masks to begin with, none of this would've happened.
"You moved the goalpost", he says, before immediately moving the goalposts.

No guidance told people to wear masks with holes in them. Move on.
 
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the panicked swerve of media ecosystems more scared of actual leftists gaining popularity is bringing some Corbyn era nostalgia, so many of the tricks are exactly the same (but now with added islamaphobia!) - still, is useful to know for sure the bad faith influences

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New York Times Grants Race Science Enthusiast Anonymity in Mamdani Hit Piece

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The New York Times published a story that cited hacked documents at Columbia University showing that New York Democratic mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani identified as “Black or African American” on his college application.

Mamdani, who is of South Asian descent, was born in Uganda, where his family lived for about 100 years, according to the Times. He was not accepted by Columbia, where his father was – and remains – a professor of anthropology.

The paper granted the source of the hacked documents anonymity. That person is a known enthusiast of race science, a fact the Times more or less acknowledged in its piece.

Mamdani, a 33-year-old New York state assemblyman, shocked the political world last month with a primary win over former Governor Andrew Cuomo, who resigned his position in 2021 after several women accused him of sexual harassment.

The Times noted that on the campaign trail, Mamdani touted his Muslim faith and South Asian ancestry. He was born in Uganda in 1991 and moved with his parents to South Africa five years later. Two years later, the family moved to New York.

The Times report cited a figure who goes by the name Crémieux on X and Substack:

Last month’s cyberattack appears to have been carried out in order to see if Columbia was still using race-conscious affirmative action in its admission policies after the Supreme Court effectively barred the practice in 2023.
While Mr. Mamdani was not a target of the hack, the information about him was included in a database of millions of student applications to Columbia going back decades. The data was shared with The Times by an intermediary who goes by the name Crémieux on Substack and X. He provided the data under condition of anonymity, although his identity has been made public elsewhere. He is an academic who opposes affirmative action and writes often about I.Q. and race.
In an article about neo-natalism published in March, The Guardian said it had corroborated that Crémieux is a man named Jordan Lasker, who, as Crémieux, spoke at a neo-natalist conference at the University of Texas this year. The Guardian reported:

One of the speakers at the conference is billed under a social media alias, Cremieux, but the Guardian has corroborated that the account is apparently run by Jordan Lasker, a long-time proponent of eugenics.
The @cremieuxrecueil X account has been boosted or engaged with dozens of times by that platform’s proprietor, Elon Musk, often on the topic of falling birthrates.

On 27 November, Musk reposted a Cremieux comment on falling birthrates, adding: “With rare exception, all countries are trending towards population collapse.”

On 29 April, Cremieux posted: “Only about a third of the world even meets replacement rate fertility. This is the biggest problem of our time.” Musk responded: “Yes.”

Musk has also boosted or responded favorably to Cremieux posts on other rightwing hobby horses such as crime in Portland, Oregon, and allegations that Democrats had created loopholes in the asylum system.
Away from X, Cremieux runs a Substack also featuring posts on the supposed relationships between race and IQ. A prominently featured post there seeks to defend the argument that average national IQs vary by up to 40 points, with countries in Europe, North America, and East Asia at the high end and countries in the global south at the low end, and several African countries purportedly having average national IQs at a level that experts associate with mental impairment.
The publication went on to state that Lasker has been an ardent defender of the work of Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen.


“Until his death in 2023, Lynn was a key figure in organized scientific racism,” The Guardian added. “He served on the board of the Pioneer Fund, which funded ‘leading Anglo-American race scientists’ for decades. He was editor of Mankind Quarterly, a long-standing “pseudo-scholarly outlet for promoting racial inequality.”

Regarding his ancestry, Mamdani told the Times that “he did not consider himself either Black or African American, but rather ‘an American who was born in Africa.’ He said his answers on the college application were an attempt to represent his complex background given the limited choices before him, not to gain an upper hand in the admissions process.”

Currently, Mahmadi is set to square off against Republican mayoral nominee Curtis Sliwa and Mayor Eric Adams, who is running a third-party bid after being indicted on bribery charges in September. Those charges were dropped by the Trump administration.

During last year’s presidential campaign, the Times received a leaked dossier about then-Republican Vice Presidential nominee JD Vance that had been compiled by the Trump campaign. The publication declined to reveal its contents. That decision came roughly four years after the Times opted to publish hacked campaign emails obtained from John Podesta, who at the time was Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign manager.
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oh my fckin god he gets worse every time he does these talks, you have to see it to believe, to understand - this is the guy who owns Palantir and various AI military warfare/arms corporations already well on the way to being the main international hoarder of everyone's data, who groomed JD Vance and multiple other people in trump's cabinet to be where they are...this is a person who is not well, the closest reference I can think of is the first guy in Men in Black who was just an alien wearing the dead guy's skin, he's about to ask for sugar water any second now as cockroaches crawl out the bottom legs of his trousers wtf

 
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This won't work; they need an AWACS that won't get shot down, so many of them, and a system of systems approach against Israel, or just better internal cohesion. Maybe they could down a few F-16s and F-15s, but then Israel could change tactics.

 

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This won't work; they need an AWACS that won't get shot down, so many of them, and a system of systems approach against Israel, or just better internal cohesion. Maybe they could down a few F-16s and F-15s, but then Israel could change tactics.

Well, depends what they want to do. If they are defending against all-out Israeli attack, perhaps not, if they want Israel not to be able to dominate Iranian airspace at no risk to themselves, that's another matter. Don't have to win if you can convince your opponent to play somewhere else.

EDIT: Having said that, getting one new toy to play with generally does not totally change everything.
 

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Pirate Software is still lying asshole, and can't keep his story together for shit.


Trump fucking up again and blowing it in his own face.
 
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Pirate Software is still lying asshole, and can't keep his story together for shit.


Trump fucking up again and blowing it in his own face.
I'm not familiar with Pirate Software other than that his blundering helped the ''Stop killing games!'' project. Is he anti woke? His name doesn't really suggest that since ''pirates'' usually aren't far right.