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It calls itself MechaHitler now.
Who in the hell is keeping that shitshow running?

AI needs investment, and lots of it. Musk has already pissed a ton of investors' money down the sewer buying out his debts on Twitter, and Grok is a memeAI joke that doesn't look like it's ever going to be useful for generating revenue (I honestly don't think white nationalists are a big enough market).
 

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It means it was considered such by Israel, sure.



You've been provided with the PubMed links already. You've even engaged with the content, so I know you've at least opened them.



K. The rate of complications for healthy young men is still going to be enormously higher than 0.0015%.



The point being that when calculating incidence, you first took the incidence in a subgroup (the severely hospitalised), but then when extrapolating that to the wider population, you just wanted to chalk everyone outside that subgroup as a negative. That's not how it works; what we're looking at is not limited to that subgroup.

A comparison to myocarditis here isn't relevant, because I've not attempted any such extrapolation; I've not attempted to exclude entire demographics that are susceptible. My group is already a proxy for vaccine recipients in general.



"You moved the goalpost", he says, before immediately moving the goalposts.

No guidance told people to wear masks with holes in them. Move on.
The fact that it was also determined to be an issue/side effect literally proves there was a signal.

You never provided the population level rate while you compare it to the population level rate and then claim it's so much higher.

No, it's not...

No, I didn't. I'm not assuming everyone outside of the known people that got arrhythmia is negative, I said there are probably people that got it and didn't know or had symptoms but never went to a doctor. Same goes for myocarditis. You can only base the rate on what you know. It's like when they were saying covid had like a 2% death rate when that was just the case fatality rate and then when they did a seroprevalence study they found that so many more people got covid than they thought.

I explained how it did...
 

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The fact that it was also determined to be an issue/side effect literally proves there was a signal.
Not really, not to an American observer, no. The Israeli government had their own medical reports of a cluster and their own reporting processes. American observers had a second-hand report of this; no medical substance.

You never provided the population level rate while you compare it to the population level rate and then claim it's so much higher.
What? This sentence doesn't make sense. Neither of us are talking about the rate among the population as a whole. We're talking about the rate of myocarditis among recipients of a certain vaccine in a certain age group, and the rate of arrhythmia and other heart issues among sufferers of covid/severe covid. Unavoidably we are extrapolating both of these from subgroups in medical settings.

No, it's not...
Yes, it is. The fatality rate alone among men between 15-24 was ~0.005%. Then we have every damn other adverse effect on top of this.

There is no scenario, whatsoever, nada, in which the risk of adverse effects from covid were lower than from the vaccine. The risk of myocarditis is just so fucking negligible.

I explained how it did...
No, you pointed to guidance that said other stuff, and speculated that people did other things they weren't told to as a result of it.
 
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Not really, not to an American observer, no. The Israeli government had their own medical reports of a cluster and their own reporting processes. American observers had a second-hand report of this; no medical substance.



What? This sentence doesn't make sense. Neither of us are talking about the rate among the population as a whole. We're talking about the rate of myocarditis among recipients of a certain vaccine in a certain age group, and the rate of arrhythmia and other heart issues among sufferers of covid/severe covid. Unavoidably we are extrapolating both of these from subgroups in medical settings.



Yes, it is. The fatality rate alone among men between 15-24 was ~0.005%. Then we have every damn other adverse effect on top of this.

There is no scenario, whatsoever, nada, in which the risk of adverse effects from covid were lower than from the vaccine. The risk of myocarditis is just so fucking negligible.



No, you pointed to guidance that said other stuff, and speculated that people did other things they weren't told to as a result of it.
It had medical substance or else the military wouldn't have noticed it...

You can't compare all of an entire sex/age group for one thing vs a different group that only got severe covid and then claim XYZ is 150 times higher or whatever BS claim you made. You asked me if I thought among ALL young men whether the vaccine provided more complications than covid, then used your BS claim to say the vaccine can't have more complications than covid.

You're also forgetting that most kids already had covid at some time before the vaccine and they don't need the vaccine. Any complications from the vaccine for those kids was completely unneeded regardless if it was myocarditis or a sore arm or a couple days of missed school. All the kids that got covid before vaccination is a majority, and all those kids that did get myocarditis had no reason to have gotten the vaccine in the 1st place; they were getting literally no benefit from the vaccine and only possilbe harms. You all just wanted to force everyone to get the vaccine so you all felt safe (even though, again, no community benefit). Also, the flu is more dangerous for kids and the kids are a main driver of spreading the flu (they don't spread covid), but no flu shot required for kids. This is how crazy you all got over covid. Laslty, the infection fatality rate is for the FIRST encounter with covid, after that (or a vaccine), the infection fatality rate is going to be much much much lower and also essentially exactly the same (whether natural immunity or vaccination immunity).

People were told to wear masks. Instruments can't be play with masks. Hence, cut hole in mask so that you are still technically wearing a mask to abide by mask policy. Pretty simple. People should've never been told to wear masks, Trump was right about that.

Yes , it is. Individuals, versus a race of people. Like, does your brain even work at all?
Killing people is killing people, anyone for killing people is in the same pot.
 

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It had medical substance or else the military wouldn't have noticed it...
Really? The military chose to do something, so therefore any other decision is indefensible?

You can't compare all of an entire sex/age group for one thing vs a different group that only got severe covid and then claim XYZ is 150 times higher or whatever BS claim you made. You asked me if I thought among ALL young men whether the vaccine provided more complications than covid, then used your BS claim to say the vaccine can't have more complications than covid.
Nobody compared an entire sex/age group to anything else. We are broadly comparing recipients of a specific vaccine dose, who are also of a certain age group, with covid sufferers of that same age group.

You introduced a lot of waffle to claim the subgrouping was unfair, but absolutely no approach to the numbers has provided a lower risk for covid than for the vaccine. Because the risk from the vaccine of myocarditis is just so fucking negligible.

People were told to wear masks. Instruments can't be play with masks. Hence, cut hole in mask so that you are still technically wearing a mask to abide by mask policy. Pretty simple. People should've never been told to wear masks, Trump was right about that.
K, so there was never any guidance to wear masks with holes in them. Good talk.
 
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Yes , it is. Individuals, versus a race of people. Like, does your brain even work at all?
No. You need to understand. Violence to threaten the weak and protect the powerful is always, without exception, righteous, justified and absolutely necessary to uphold peace and public safety. On the other hand, violence to protect the weak and threaten the powerful is always excessive, unacceptable and a danger to society.
 
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It might chew a percent or two off (mostly) the Republicans, which could swing a few close races but won't be some sort of existential threat, or even close.
You might want to look at how close the margins are in the most heavily gerrymandered areas - a percent or two is enough to flip lots of races. He'd maximize his impact by running candidates for the House as as a consequence.

I strongly suspect nearly all of Trump's cabinet picks are spokespeople rather than conventional secretaries of state, and the real work and decision-making is being done by functionaries behind the scenes. Thus Trump's cabinet is two-thirds made up of Karoline Leavitts: chumps who have no idea what they are doing, what their departments do, and indeed are not actually expected to do anything except turn up on TV as a figurehead and throw red meat to right-wing voters.

Thus the biggest headaches Trump has (apart from his own cack-handed policies) are the sorts of situations where the drunk sex-pest in charge of the Pentagon gets the crazy idea he should make decisions on the military, or the Director of National Intelligence mistakenly thinks she should report any real national intelligence.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Trump appointments seem to come from one of three lists:
  1. Republicans with large social media presence.
  2. Whoever wrote the relevant bit of Project 2025.
  3. People plausibly accused of being Russian assets (OK, this one is mostly to cover Tulsi Gabbard).
 
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