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The thing is, if I were being conspiratorial, it looks exactly like what the result would be were I lazy and/or not super tech savvy, but also had a need to be duplicitous. That's what's tripping me up, it looks like what you'd get if you took short-cuts for efficiency or were a bit careless, or don't fully understand things and were trying to throw together something...not entirely on the up and up.
Yep.

If we took the assumption that there would be no way to doctor evidence without someone being able to find something wrong with it, then the next best thing is to make the editing so imperfect that it becomes hard to believe someone who wanted to doctor the evidence would make such a ham-fisted job of it.
 

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advertising employment for ice as "a fun game of hide and seek where you can blackbag Mexicans" such a dumb person's idea of manipulative evil is more like Alan Partridge if he were a lead poisoned reactionary. a blindly confident quality one gets only from complacency years/decades of billionaire investment substituting the skill-check filter found elsewhere in media grows around the brain like a biomass buffer shield tumour against the neuropsychological consequences of creative/professional failure


also I tried finding a clip anywhere else I fucking tried but these search engines are a bloody joke
 

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Phoenix is his own worst enemy. He's a terrible combination of obstinate, too proud to admit fault, and too proud and incompetent to understand the limitations in his knowledge and understanding.

But he's also a victim. He has a conspiracy theorist-leaning mindset, and there's a whole, massive industry out there all geared to digging their hooks into the minds of such people for profit or fame: YouTube orTikTok views, Substack subscriptions, ad revenues and sales of nutrients or horse dewormer. I suspect even Phoenix has come to realise some of them are cranks, quacks or loonies, and he's managed to move on even if he can't quite admit he was wrong either. But for others - as is the case for the vaccine / myocarditis nonsense - he's still firmly in the cult.
Here's a study about how people on the fringe believe they are actually in the center


Anyway, I KNOW facts will just make them more conspiritorial. Like, I'm about to bring up a fact in the next post and they will just pretend its not true.

I HAVE had success elsewhere with pointing out that the remedies conspiracy theorist suggest for covid are created by the same companies, audited by the same agencies and have nasty side effects. The advocates are paid shills for the company. You cant be anti-vax and pro-these remedies because you are just doing what Big Pharma wants and they used your conspiracy theory to earn money off you. The people Phoenixmgs are paid shills of Big Pharma

.... that being said, it hasnt worked witn Phoenixmgs
 

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According to this article, Mastercard is being disingenuous. Specifically, the reasoning here is that Mastercard doesn't actually process payments: it facilitates payment processors communicating with each other. So it was the payment processors who asked Steam to pull NSFW games, not Mastercard. However, payment processors appear to be citing Mastercard's rules as a reason they contacted Steam to pull NSFW, so it seems very likely Mastercard was at least indirectly involved.

However, this could possibly be a misunderstanding. For instance, Mastercard was lobbied hard, maybe might have sent a vague warning down the line to its corporate partners, and because it was vague those partners took a much broader interpretation than Mastercard necessarily intended. Or, of course, Mastercard is just lying: it really did go for NSFW games, but suddenly rowed back when it met sufficient opposition.
 

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However, this could possibly be a misunderstanding.
I highly doubt that.

For instance, Mastercard was lobbied hard, maybe might have sent a vague warning down the line to its corporate partners, and because it was vague those partners took a much broader interpretation than Mastercard necessarily intended. Or, of course, Mastercard is just lying: it really did go for NSFW games, but suddenly rowed back when it met sufficient opposition.
It doesn't take much to figure out. They used nothing more than a glorified "we're just middlemen!" excuse. The same bull scalpers like to use. Neither are really middlemen because they are one's causing all this shit in the first place, and ruining everyone's lives. So they can fuck off and burn in hell.

 
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hm, this is not the stand-up pillars of the community I've come to know and trust these ppl as


also this whole sitting on politically/legally actionable information to put it in your book later as a sales boosting attempt has gotta stop. vote me in as leader and I'll criminalise this bullshit somehow, gonna push the "fess the fuck up fam" bill through Congress like it's a spoilt rich kid through the higher education system and I'm their spoilt rich parents

Prince Andrew and Donald Trump’s Sick ‘P***y’ Conversations Revealed

Sun, August 3, 2025 at 3:36 AM GMT+1

Donald Trump and Prince Andrew

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Donald Trump allegedly handed Prince Andrew a list of masseuses after the two men engaged in a sick conversation about “p---y.”

The interaction reportedly happened in the year 2000, not long after they had been introduced by their mutual friends, Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

Prince Andrew, Duke of York, sporting a black eye in 2017. Prince Harry has denied getting into a fight with his uncle four years earlier. / WPA Pool / Getty Images

Prince Andrew, Duke of York, sporting a black eye in 2017. Prince Harry has denied getting into a fight with his uncle four years earlier. / WPA Pool / Getty Images

The claim was made in a report in the Daily Mail on Saturday by the respected royal writer and historian Andrew Lownie. Lownie is the author of Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York, a new investigative biography of Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.

The book has already ignited controversy with a series of astonishing claims, including that Epstein described Andrew as “more obsessed with p---y than me.”

Lownie has also alleged that a physical altercation between Prince Harry and Prince Andrew broke out in 2013, when Andrew allegedly made a remark behind Harry’s back, and Harry called Andrew a “coward” for not saying it to his face. “Punches were thrown,” and Harry “got the better” of his uncle, leaving him with a “bloody nose,” Lownie claimed.

Prince Andrew and Prince Harry during the Royal Procession at the 2014 Royal Ascot. / Chris Jackson / Chris Jackson/Getty Images for Ascot Racecourse

Prince Andrew and Prince Harry during the Royal Procession at the 2014 Royal Ascot. / Chris Jackson / Chris Jackson/Getty Images for Ascot Racecourse

Years later, according to the book, Andrew reportedly told Harry that he was “bonkers” for not properly investigating Meghan Markle’s background, “openly accused Meghan of being an opportunist,” and warned Harry that marrying the actress would be his “biggest mistake ever.”

Prince Harry took the rare step of strongly denying the allegations to the Daily Beast on Saturday. “I can confirm Prince Harry and Prince Andrew have never had a physical fight, nor did Prince Andrew ever make those comments about the Duchess of Sussex to Prince Harry,” a spokesperson for Harry said in a statement.

However, the controversy has not deterred the Mail from publishing the second part of its serialization of the book, which details the evolution of Andrew’s friendship with Epstein and Maxwell.

Melania Trump, Prince Andrew, Gwendolyn Beck and Jeffrey Epstein at a party at the Mar-a-Lago club, Palm Beach, Florida, Feb. 12, 2000. / Davidoff Studios Photography / Getty Images

Melania Trump, Prince Andrew, Gwendolyn Beck and Jeffrey Epstein at a party at the Mar-a-Lago club, Palm Beach, Florida, Feb. 12, 2000. / Davidoff Studios Photography / Getty Images

In 2000, Lownie says, Trump and Andrew attended Heidi Klum’s annual Halloween party. Trump was quoted as saying, “Andrew’s not pretentious. He’s a lot of fun to be with.”

Then Lownie writes, “Shortly afterwards, and clearly good friends, Trump and Andrew were overheard at an event to discuss Trump’s plans for a golfing complex in Scotland, talking entirely about ‘p---y,’ with the American producing a list of masseuses for the prince.”

The book also claims that Andrew availed himself of the services of Epstein’s driver, Ivan Novikov, whenever he was in New York. Novikov is quoted as saying: “Whenever Andrew was in town, I’d be picking up young girls who were essentially prostitutes. One time I drove him and two young girls aged around age 18 to a hotel. Both girls were doing lines of cocaine. Prince Andrew was making out with one of them.”

Speaking to the same time period, one friend said that Andrew was “spiraling out of control” and had “started dressing like a 25-year-old in jeans and blazer.”

A friend of Sarah Ferguson told Andrew that Ghislaine was “manipulating him” and he was “too naive to realize it.”

Lownie says there are fears among some in the intelligence community that Russian agencies may have “kompromat” on Prince Andrew over the Epstein scandal.

The Daily Beast has reached out to The White House for comment on the claims. Prince Andrew no longer has formal press representation, but a media adviser thought still to be in contact with him has been reached for comment.
glad to finally know what the word being bleeped out in the YouTube vid I watched beforehand was, cos it provided absolutely no context so was left thinking "is it 'rape'? Is it some other offensive crime word?? wtf are you trying to tell us?!" but of course it ended up being the dumbest milquetoast in the lexicon.

Andrew should definitely do more interviews though, Louis Theroux can get in on this, we need more classic comedy gold
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Sry, no English source, but in short: a British and Flemish catholic pastor got together for the papal visit, and to have a bit of a drugs and sex party, like their own private little Berghain. British one died of drug overdose. Flemish one was briefly arrested for drug trafficking, since released.

I wonder, would this be ground for excommunication? Would this be worse than buggering a child?
 
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Did they ever abhor illiberal policies? Isn't that everything the far right is all about? Isn't that exactly how all their foreign idols operate? What the heck are those clowns complaining about.
 
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Did they ever abhor illiberal policies? Isn't that everything the far right is all about? Isn't that exactly how all their foreign idols operate? What the heck are those clowns complaining about.
That's the problem: they're all punk ass bitches whom thinks they know what they want or try to force it on others and project it onto others. All for the sake of being in control and acting as if they're the smartest ones and the entire planet. Even when they get what they want or they think they want it, they're never happy. And just go out of the way to ruin everybody else's lives, just so they can feel better about themselves. It's all bitches in boxstands ever do.

 
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Guess I was right about them/powerful people wanting to increase the birthrate by getting rid of alternative activities.

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Interesting. Ideally, the rest of the world should reciprocate in kind

Sure, why not. It's representative.

I mean, no lies detected.

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The idea that this will lead to the Gamers(tm) who buy those games going out and interacting with quote unquote "females", let alone procreate, is laughable. It'll just drive this niche underground again, so, you know, piracy. While the Gamers(tm) will seethe in their discords or whatever, probably find some way of convincing themselves it's really the fault of woke.
 
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However, this could possibly be a misunderstanding. For instance, Mastercard was lobbied hard, maybe might have sent a vague warning down the line to its corporate partners, and because it was vague those partners took a much broader interpretation than Mastercard necessarily intended. Or, of course, Mastercard is just lying: it really did go for NSFW games, but suddenly rowed back when it met sufficient opposition.
If it was a misunderstanding it would be easy to clear it up. Mastercard would only have to clarify their rules to their partners.

However Valve also stated that they tried to contact Mastercard quite heavily without response. So i would assume Mastercard was fully aware of how the rule was used and perfectly fine with it.

The idea that this will lead to the Gamers(tm) who buy those games going out and interacting with quote unquote "females", let alone procreate, is laughable. It'll just drive this niche underground again, so, you know, piracy. While the Gamers(tm) will seethe in their discords or whatever, probably find some way of convincing themselves it's really the fault of woke.
There are a lot of culture warriors looking for new controversies to link to their grift. Let's not humor them. This is not a culture war thing so far. There are anti-porn people on various political sides, there are sex positive people on various political sides and it also touches the surveillance/privacy/freedom topic that also not really clear cut between the major factions.
 
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There are a lot of culture warriors looking for new controversies to link to their grift. Let's not humor them. This is not a culture war thing so far.
@Chimpzy is not wrong. Don't be too surprised on bitches like them. They will try to turn it into another grift or manipulate facts they know are false. I wouldn't put anything past those fools. You think they're actually gonna care about the truth or bother to even say it within their respective echo chambers?

Nope!
 

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omg finally, someone else not only noticed this literal Nazi being platformed by the largest influencers online, but also vindicated suspicions of coordinated strategy - not gonna let it go to the head, shit it's already gone to the head! no worry though the crippling self doubt will return latest tomorrow as it always does

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How a Nazi-Obsessed Amateur Historian Went From Obscurity to the Top of Substack

Tucker Carlson has called Darryl Cooper the “most important popular historian working in the United States today.” His background is more extreme than previously reported.



Noah LanardJuly 31, 2025

Nearly a decade ago, Darryl Cooper, then a little-known amateur historian, agreed to appear on Rebel Yell, a self-described “Southern Nationalist podcast of the Alt-Right.” Cooper’s decision to come on the show was not the norm. The show funneled donations to Jason Kessler, the white supremacist who organized the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. And, as one of Rebel Yell’s co-hosts told Cooper in May 2017, potential guests “usually” refused their invitations after concluding the show was run by “a bunch of fucking Nazis.”

But Cooper had a different perspective. “You guys do a great job,” he said about the show’s place in the far-right media ecosystem. “You class the place up a little bit.”

Over the last decade, Cooper’s ideas have not changed much. The throughline of his career is his abiding interest in reshaping people’s understanding of two groups: Jews and Nazis. But he has cleaned up his act enough to build a major audience. Instead of appearing on a neo-Confederate podcast, this year Cooper went on Joe Rogan, where he subtly shifted the story of the Nazis into a more flattering light for millions of listeners.

With more than 170,000 subscribers, Cooper has the most popular history newsletter on Substack—beating out Adam Tooze, the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Professor of History at Columbia University. On X, he has nearly 350,000 followers; one is Vice President JD Vance. Cooper has been profiled by the New York Times (“The Podcaster Asking You to Side With History’s Villains”) and held up as an author for understanding the modern right by a guest on The Ezra Klein Show. Tucker Carlson has claimed that Cooper is the “most important popular historian working in the United States today.”

Cooper is most famous for his ongoing project titled “The Martyr Made Podcast.” The first podcast in the series was a critical history of Zionism. The slant of his current series, which purports to tell World War II from the perspective of the Germans, is not hard to discern. The trailer Cooper is using to promote the series has clips of a thundering Hitler speech, delivered in English, as metal music plays in the background. It depicts regular Germans suffering while Weimar cosmopolitans enjoy their cabarets, and Nazi soldiers marching triumphantly down the Champs-Élysées in occupied Paris. There’s barbed wire, but German prisoners of war are the ones behind it.

Compared to overt Holocaust deniers, Cooper is subtle—even shifty. He has not, like Richard Spencer, Sieg Heil-ed at a public event. His references often require research. Cooper, for example, wrote “Guten morgen” to a user on X last August, along with a picture of himself holding a coffee mug. It might take a moment to realize the user is a self-identified Nazi, and the mug Cooper holds is sold on a website where you can buy a T-shirt in which a Nazi SS sword plunges through the Star of David. Cooper implores his followers not to fall into the morass of “low-IQ vulgar antisemitism.” He leaves his views on high-IQ sophisticated antisemitism more ambiguous.

Last year, Cooper posted two photos alongside each other on X: One was of drag queens imitating the Last Supper during the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics; the other was of Hitler standing in front of the Eiffel Tower in conquered France. As a caption, Cooper wrote, “This may be putting it too crudely for some but the picture on the left was infinitely preferable in virtually every way than the one on the right.” (Cooper deleted the post after backlash, then later wrote that he stood by the “overall point.”)

For fans who do not closely follow Cooper on social media, his far-right sympathies might be harder to discern. On his podcast, he shows empathy for a wide range of historical victims—including Jews. He does not sound like an Alex Jones. One of his greatest talents as a podcaster is coming across like an earnest nerd who just wants to share some indisputable facts. As Cooper put it earlier this year in the introduction to his Nazi Germany series, “My audience trusts me to be honest with them. And even when they disagree or get uncomfortable, they will give me the benefit of the doubt that I am coming from a place of empathy and a desire to genuinely understand people at the extremes of human experience.”

This self-presentation has been shockingly successful. In March, Rogan, a committed fan, told his audience that there is “no fucking way” Cooper is an antisemite “in any way, shape, or form” and that he is as “charitable as possible” to his subjects. They could see for themselves, Rogan said, by listening to the first hour of Cooper’s Zionism series, which opens with harrowing accounts of the violence Jews faced in turn-of-the-century Europe.

But previously unreported information found by Mother Jones, including posts under a username affiliated with Cooper, cast doubt on this narrative. It raises a more sinister possibility about his attempts at even-handedness: That Cooper may have deliberately downplayed his extremism as part of a carefully plotted effort to bring his hard-right ideology into the mainstream.

In 2016, a user going by the name “Juggernaut Nihilism” left a comment on a transparently white nationalist website called Counter-Currents.

Public records show that “Juggernaut Nihilism” is part of an email address associated with Cooper. When Juggernaut Nihilism asked goldbugs in the online forums of the TF Metals Report in 2013 whether he should buy a house, the personal details he supplied about his work history and where he lived matched those of Darryl Cooper. David Simon, the creator of The Wire, once attacked Cooper in a Twitter post that began “You go by juggernaut nihilism.” (This was an apparent reference to Cooper’s username on the site at the time.) “No time for scrotes who live in shit & won’t work a shovel,” Simon added.

Cooper did not respond to a detailed list of questions sent to him by Mother Jones, including whether he wrote the comments from Juggernaut Nihilism.

The article Juggernaut Nihilism was responding to on Counter-Currents was written by Colin Liddell. Previously, Liddell had wondered about what the “best and easiest way to dispose of [Blacks]” would be in an essay titled “Is Black Genocide Right?” In the reply, Juggernaut Nihilism took him to task for attacking allies on the far-right who chose not to publicize their racist views.

“A movement like this needs to operate at various levels, from the intellectual core (that remains terrifying and offensive to the general population right up until the big shift), on up to covert supporters slipping occasional language and subversive information into conversation and normie media,” Juggernaut Nihilism wrote. “Think of how most people you know got here. It wasn’t from basic American ideology to reading Mein Kampf and then, boom, they’re onboard. It’s a process, and you have to initiate people without scaring them off (and without blaming them for being scared off…the human mind works the way it works, and the enemy studies it carefully, controls the education system, and dominates the media).”

Juggernaut Nihilism’s comment reads as an almost perfect encapsulation of Cooper’s work as an amateur revisionist historian. He is highly attuned to when he can operate at which level. He makes it known that he is largely “onboard,” but leaves it up to his followers to surmise just how much. He has read Mein Kampf but is patient with those who have not.

Two months after the comment appeared, Greg Johnson, the founder of Counter-Currents, posted an interview in which he argued for a white America and aligned himself with the “judeo-critical” wing of the far right on the “Jewish Question.”

“Wow, really great,” Juggernaut Nihilism wrote in response.

Nine days later, Johnson shared a new interview. It was a podcast with Darryl Cooper.

Cooper has no formal credentials as a historian. After a largely isolated youth in California, during which he attended as many as 40 schools, Cooper did some college, dropped out, and enlisted in the Navy. After, he became an electronics technician. Cooper left the service in the early 2010s, and went on to work as a Department of Defense contractor. (Cooper explained his biography in response to questions from a New York Times journalist that he published on his Substack.)

In 2014, he became obsessed with the Israel-Palestine conflict amid an earlier war in Gaza. A friend suggested he create a podcast. And, surprisingly, his hours-long episodes took off. Much of the show focused on the kinds of critical depictions of early Zionists in Palestine that can be found in the work of Israeli historians like Benny Morris. But Cooper’s tics were apparent as well. He had a habit of noting Jews’ prevalence in the left-wing political movements he counts among his enemies.

Cooper’s claims about World War II in recent interviews raise more serious questions about his biases. During his appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show last year, Cooper argued that Winston Churchill was “primarily responsible” for World War II “becoming what it did,” while making unsubtle and ahistorical insinuations about Churchill’s alleged ties to “financiers” and a “media complex” supportive of Zionism. He later specified that his source for this claim was David Irving, an infamous British antisemite and Holocaust denier.

Irving, who also lacks formal training as a historian, has been discredited for decades. In 1991, after denying the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz, he used the acronym “ASSHOLS” to refer to “The Auschwitz Survivors, Survivors of the Holocaust, and Other Liars.” In 1996, he unsuccessfully sued Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of Jewish history at Emory University, for defamation in the United Kingdom after Lipstadt depicted him in her book Denying the Holocaust as a Nazi apologist who distorted the historical record in support of Hitler.

Lipstadt and Penguin Books prevailed after assembling a group of experts who showed it was accurate to label Irving a Holocaust denier and a Hitler apologist. The cornerstone of that effort was a more than 700-page evisceration of Irving written by Sir Richard Evans, the Regius Professor Emeritus of History at the University of Cambridge. “Not one of [Irving’s] books, speeches or articles, not one paragraph, not one sentence in any of them, can be taken on trust as an accurate representation of its historical subject,” Evans wrote in his report. “All of them are completely worthless as history, because Irving cannot be trusted anywhere, in any of them, to give a reliable account of what he is talking or writing about.”

Cooper has defended his decision to cite Irving in a Substack post in which he said he was “not yet in a position to adjudicate the various disputes.” But his defense distorts and waters down Irving’s views, while falsely implying that even Evans respects Irving as a historian. In Cooper’s telling, Irving believed that “gas chambers were not a primary method of killing” at Nazi death camps. Irving put it much more bluntly: “I’m a gas chamber denier.” Cooper went on to say in the post that Irving accepted that millions of people were killed in the Holocaust, that Hitler took no action to stop it, and that he bore ultimate responsibility. After reviewing the post, Evans told Mother Jones that this summary of Irving’s work contained a “collection of falsehoods and half-truths.”

During his appearance on Rogan in March, Cooper offered another piece of revisionism that bore a striking resemblance to Irving’s pseudoscholarship. This time, it involved Cooper minimizing Hitler’s role in Kristallnacht, the infamous 1938 pogrom during which around 1,000 synagogues in Germany burned down. “Hitler had to actually get on the phone with [Joseph] Goebbels and say, Cut this shit out. Like, This is not good,” Cooper claimed. “And not because he loves the Jews all of the sudden obviously. But because this is bad propaganda.”

Evans, one of the world’s foremost experts on Nazi Germany, reviewed a longer version of Cooper’s Kristallnacht comments on behalf of Mother Jones. His response left no doubt that Cooper—like Irving before him—severely distorted the historical record. “The order to local Nazi bosses was given by Propaganda Minister Goebbels, after a confidential conversation with Hitler, observed by eyewitnesses, in which the Nazi dictator had clearly sanctioned the action,” Evans said via email. “In addition Hitler personally ordered the arrest of 30,000 Jewish men, who were taken off to concentration camps where they were beaten and intimidated until they agreed to leave Germany. The following morning, Hitler and Goebbels brought the action to an end, since it seemed to have achieved its objectives.”

Taken together, Cooper’s many elisions are reminiscent of something else Evans wrote in his trial report about Irving: “Irving is essentially an ideologue who uses history for his own political purposes; he is not primarily concerned with discovering and interpreting what happened in the past, he is concerned merely to give a selective and tendentious account of it in order to further his own ideological ends in the present.”

Last year, one of Cooper’s claims garnered national headlines. During the appearance on Carlson’s show, he said that the Nazis were “completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war” and “local political prisoners” they captured after invading the Soviet Union in 1941. As a result, Cooper continued, the Nazis “just threw these people into camps and millions of people ended up dead there.” Cooper’s remarks implied that the killing of millions of Soviet prisoners of war and Jews was, in essence, a logistical oversight.

In doing so, he ignored countless massacres of Jews and other enemies of the Nazi regime, as well as the extensive record showing that the Nazis intended to starve millions of people to death after invading the Soviet Union in 1941. As University of Toronto Professor Timothy Snyder makes clear in Bloodlands—a book Cooper has cited—the Nazis’ initial plan was to kill about 25 million people by starvation.

Evans made a similar point to Mother Jones after reviewing Cooper’s comments about Soviet prisoners of war. “The Nazis regarded ‘Slavs’ as racially inferior and deliberately killed 3,300,000 prisoners taken from the Red Army by starvation, neglect and untended disease,” he wrote. “The Nazi ‘Hunger Plan’ was based on a conscious choice to use the large food supplies present in Eastern Europe to feed their own troops.”

Cooper’s suggestion that many Jewish deaths during the Holocaust had been unintentional ended up provoking the largest backlash of his career. Then-President Joe Biden’s White House called the interview a “disgusting and sadistic insult to all Americans.” Dani Dayan, the chairman of Yad Vashem, Israel’s official Holocaust memorial, said that Carlson and Cooper had “engaged in one of the most repugnant forms of Holocaust denial of recent years.”

But the response to Cooper on the right said more about his place in the world. Vance refused to condemn the Holocaust revisionism on the grounds that Republicans “believe in free speech and debate.” A backlash to the backlash temporarily sent Cooper’s show into the top spot on the podcast charts.

Since the incident, Cooper has grown bolder. In a Substack post in response to the criticism, Cooper left no doubt he was also talking about Jewish victims of the Holocaust—not only Soviet POWs. He stated that one of his sources was a letter written by Rolf-Heinz Höppner, a senior Nazi official, to Adolf Eichmann in July 1941. “There exists this winter the danger that all the Jews can no longer be fed,” Höppner wrote about 300,000 Jews under his authority, whom he planned to send to a concentration camp. “It should be seriously considered if it would not be the most humane solution to dispose of the Jews, insofar as they are not capable of work, through a quick-acting agent. In any case it would be more pleasant than to let them starve.”

Höppner continued, in a section not included in Cooper’s Substack post: “In addition the proposal was made to sterilize all the female Jews in this camp from whom children could still be expected, so that with this generation the Jewish problem is in fact completely solved.” Nor did Cooper mention the subject line: “Re.: Solution of the Jewish Question.”

The letter from Höppner makes clear Nazi leaders’ willingness to exterminate Jews. But, in Cooper’s telling, it is evidence of how millions of people “ended up” dead and that, as Cooper put it on Substack, a senior Nazi official did not seem “overjoyed at the prospect of mass killing.”

In the first episode of his new series on World War II Germany, released this January, Cooper proves far more willing to depict American soldiers and concentration camp survivors as eager to kill than Nazis. He describes how, after the liberation of Dachau, American GIs “rampaged through the camp, murdering dozens of surrendered German soldiers.” The survivors, Cooper adds, “were given free reign to torture, humiliate, and murder” Germans. As evidence, he quoted extensively from an interview in which Jack Hallett, a US Army veteran, described the anti-Nazi violence he witnessed after the camp’s liberation. But he does not include what Hallett said immediately before describing the revenge taken: “Control was gone after the sights we saw.”

Also missing is any mention of what those sights were. “The first thing I saw was a stack of bodies that appeared to be about 20 feet long and about as high as a man could reach, which looked like cordwood stacked up there,” Hallett stated earlier in the oral history Cooper quoted from about what Nazis had done. “And the thing I’ll never forget was the fact that on closer inspection we found the people whose eyes were still blinking maybe three or four bodies deep inside the stack.”

This is not an anomaly. Cooper provides not a single detail in the episode about the horrors that American soldiers encountered at Dachau, or what the victims they liberated endured. Instead, at Cooper’s camp, the victims worth mentioning are German.

“The goal is not to get you to sympathize with the Germans, much less the National Socialist regime,” Cooper declares toward the end of the episode. “The goal is to understand. And if a side effect of understanding is sympathy, then so be it.”

As a forum-dweller named Juggernaut Nihilism once wrote, “It’s a process, and you have to initiate people without scaring them off.”
they word it slightly too generous in the article, but the tucker interview had him saying with zero hint of irony that Hitler only did a holocaust out of mercy cos he couldn't feed all his political prisoners - yes, a mercy genocide. im wondering still to this day whether people actually listen to the words others are saying properly, cos it seems more and more they don't, and instead go by a vibe extracted from the average of the mean rhetorical output. Like, hearing Jordan Peterson get away with his incessantly vague circular rambling about fuck bugger all over and over again certainly hasn't helped dissuade these concerns
 
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