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Trump could expand role of national guard for ‘quick reaction’ to unrest
Pentagon considers a quick-reaction force to deploy in US cities amid unrest, raising legal and political concerns
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"Without allowing an infection to take hold". Its right the fuck there. And mRNA doesn't even involve any viruses entering the body, dead/deactivated or otherwise.
Not "directly covid related or just with covid". You tried to use all hospitalisations, regardless of whether there was covid at all.
And no, absolutely no set of numbers-- not 2% of 1%, or 2% of 0.3%-- results in less than 0.0005%.
Exponentially lowers it to what?
Because millions of people had covid more than once, and more than a few of them ended up in hospital or dead. Whereas the number of people who developed mild myocarditis from the vaccine numbers... what? Next to nothing. How many deaths?
Does it have the fact that the DC police commander was suspended for falsifying crime data a few months back?
Infection does not require it to take hold, infection just requires infection. I said that the mRNA vaccines may not be an infection technically based on semantics several posts back. The point is a vaccine (regardless if mRNA or not) stimulates the immune system to basically do the same thing as getting the real virus/bacteria. That immune response causes many things, including myocarditis. And the mRNA vaccines produce very strong immune responses (hence why people have to call off work when getting the vaccine). The reason the leading cause of myocarditis is viral infections is because it's the immune response that causes it, not the virus (that's why specific viruses aren't listed as the cause because it doesn't matter the virus).
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Here's the article AGAIN. How is this not a covid statistic?
Do you not realize the more hospitalizations, the higher your number would be? Why do you care that I used a higher number? If say 2% of child hospitalizations resulted in severe covid and 2% of those resulted in arrhythmia and I used a high hospitalization number, the risk of arrhythmia would be higher and better for your argument, do you understand?
Here's the actual math, there's literally no way to get your 40 times higher risk as you claimed. You don't know how to math.
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If you already had covid before the vaccine was available, there's literally no point in getting the vaccine, it's not gonna do anything but give you possible harms, there are no benefits. Do you not understand this very basic point? It's the very same reason those that had measles prior to the vaccine didn't get the vaccine, there was no point.
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"The point is [different thing to what I originally said]".
Whatever. Its not an infection. There are no actual viral organisms there to damage the host's system or reproduce. You may as well argue a shooting-range target is the same thing as an active shooter.
Righto, so it is a Covid statistic; you just described it misleadingly to begin with ("There were 234,000 hospitalizations for people under 18 (from Fall 2020 to Spring 2024), which might not be DUE to covid, but I'll ignore that").
I'm quite aware of how to do the calculation, thank you-- the issue is that we're using different numbers to begin with. Yours is based on the above (and uses the entire population as the comparison). Mine was based on this (which limits it to those who had a recorded infection during the observation period). Yours comes to 0.3 for hospitalisations; mine comes to 0.9%.
So if we take my number, we divide by 50 and come to 0.018%. Or if we take your number, we divide by 50 and come to 0.006%.
With me so far? If so, mind telling me how you're getting a number smaller than 0.0005%?
No, because that's horseshit.
The risk of harm is substantially lower. It's still magnitudes greater than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, because that latter risk is so stupidly negligible.
What I originally said...
Yeah, it's the amount of people under 18 that got hospitalized for covid, which is the stat you need to do the math to compare the rate of myocarditis to arrhythmia.
Yours is a RECORDED covid infection and those then hospitalized. It's like using the case fatality rate (instead of infection fatality rate) and saying the chances of death is like 5% (when it's like 0.2%). The myocarditis stat is for the ENTIRE population (of that group) and the arrhythmia stat is not, that is the problem.
What is just ONE benefit of the vaccine if you already had covid (for non-vulnerable people)?
No, that's not what you originally said. Several posts earlier your words were:
"You also realize that the leading cause of myocarditis is viral infections, right? That's essentially what a vaccine does, it's an infection."
You then shifted what you were saying. Which is fine, so long as you acknowledge its not an infection. But that's the issue, isn't it? You never, ever just acknowledge a mistake, even a stunningly foolish or obvious one like that; you just endlessly dig the hole.
Uh-huh, but you originally just described it as the number of people under 18 hospitalised over a certain timeframe, without the link.
Its fine. Now you've clarified.
No: the myocarditis stat is for those who had that specific vaccine. 0.0005% is the increased risk from the vaccine.
We're comparing the relative risks of the virus and the vaccine, so it's completely appropriate that we look at those groups specifically.
Immunity wanes after a first infection, usually 3-4 months later. Severe reinfections are less common but still happen, even in those who aren't vulnerable. And the vaccine reduces that risk.
None of this is disputed. There is no serious person who'll tell you after a first infection you're completely immune forever, or that severe reinfection is impossible.
They're less common. Much less common, even.
But what's even less common that that? Myocarditis from the vaccine. You constantly dismiss small risks as nonexistent or ignore them altogether, which is why its so bizarre you're harping on about the most negligible, mild risk of all.
It's not the actual viral infection that causes stuff like myocarditis, it's the immune response. Normal vaccines are infections, you can argue that mRNA ones are technically not.
Infection - The invasion and growth of germs in the body.
Live attenuated vaccines use a weakened form of the virus, which can still grow and replicate, but does not cause illness.
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The time frame is like 4 years and basically every person got covid in that time (at least 95+% did) so it's the amount of hospitalizations for the entire population.
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Yes... but that number reflects the chance of any one person getting myocarditis. If 1 million people got XYZ (and a random group of them obviously), and 0.0005% got ABC side effect, then why wouldn't that percentage extend to everyone else? Your arrhythmia percentage is not that. Your arrhythmia stat is that ~2% of people (in said group) with severe covid got it. Then you have to work out the chances of a random person (from that group) getting arrhythmia from a covid infection, which your number doesn't represent.
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The vaccine prevents severe illness (and by prevent, I mean massively and exponentially lowers by several magnitudes the chances of it because I know you'll say that's technically wrong). You cannot make a vaccine that prevents infection for a virus like covid.
The vaccines we're talking about are mRNA. They are not live attenuated vaccines. They contain no viruses whatsoever.
Lazy, loose stats, as we've come to expect.
I love how you're happy to overlook or ignore ~5% of the population for the sake of this, but you also want us to build policy around 0.0005%.
"Why wouldn't that percentage extend to everyone else"? What are you even talking about? We're specifically talking about the people who received that specific vaccine. Within that group we know, roughly, the incidence.
Same as we roughly know the incidence of arrhythmia in the group of severe covid sufferers, and by extention of covid sufferers broadly.
Those are the groups we're comparing.
Uh-huh, and I addressed this. Immunity wanes. Including for severe infection. The risk is lower but remains extant. Vaccines lower it further.
A piece of filth who can’t stop talking about how he despises Europe finds out that this unprovoked hatred can cause European restaurants not to serve him.
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Staff Mutiny Forces Pub to Turn Away JD Vance
The vice president had reportedly attempted to dine at The Bull in Charlbury, Oxfordshire, weeks after the venue hosted Kamala Harris.
These are both depressing. Roblox should be just shutdown until they get rid of the fucker upstairs. Arrest the guy for child endangerment.
Ben Shaprio sucking as always.
Ben Shaprio sucking as always.
Hillary Clinton says she'd nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize if he ends Ukraine war without giving territory to Russia
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said if President Trump is the architect of a deal to end the war in Ukraine without Kyiv ceding land to Russia, "I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize."
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Oklahoma 'test' to vet teacher candidates from out of state raises concerns
A new "qualifications" test for out of state teachers hoping to gain certification to teach in Oklahoma triggers legal scrutiny as Oklahoma teacher shortage continues.
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Which is even stupider once you see the stats. If you're rapist is a stranger, 40% of the victims are male. I.e. almost half these rapes are homosexual in nature
Rapist are opportunitists
This is from just looking at raw numbers. Eg. New York has more murder than the back woods in Kansas. It would be weird if it didn't. If you talking about crime RATE, then the back woods is much more dangerous
Then the media ONLY report on crimes in cities with 1 million people. Which tend to be Democrat.
Its called basic media bias
The J and J one was pulled because it was more likely to cause myocarditis. The other ones didnt
They're trying to bring SOPA back.
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Figure I may as well spread the word on this as if there wasn't enough shit to worry about: They're trying to pass SOPA again under the guise of the BlockBEARD bill and some other bills.
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It does if you assume 100% of rapists are male. Which is not true, but it's a sadly common assumption.