That's not really the important thing and vaccines (depending on the type can be infections), it's the immune response...
Of course. But it's certainly worth clarifying. Anti-vaxxers often conflate vaccines with diseases, in order to argue that vaccines causing the same issues as diseases is to be expected. It's not and they don't.
That's the number you're using for myocarditis and then claiming arrhythmia from covid is a 40x higher chance/risk when that isn't true, you keep comparing apples to oranges.
No, I've never relied on the
total population for any of these risk rates.
For the myocarditis risk from the vaccine, I'm using the numbers provided in
your original link, which originate in the report in
Nature. That's where we get the 5 excess events per million from, from which we get 0.0005%. It is specifically
within the group who had that specific vaccine, not the entire population.
You quoted 0.3% as the proportion ending up with a hospitalisation from covid, no? And 2% of hospitalised patients had arrhythmia. Which brings us to 0.006%.
How exactly is 0.006 smaller than 0.0005%?
Where is your source to back up this claim?
From Paul Offit:
The two doses appeared to be highly effective at preventing severe illness. And even in people over 65, even in people who had multiple co-morbidities. So I didn't see frankly the need for a third dose, much less the requirement for a third dose. So when President Biden, for example, stood up in front of the American public on August 18th of 2021 and said, as of the week of September 20th, we are going to offer a booster dose for everybody over 60. And I didn't agree with that because I didn't think the data supported that.
Background: This study aims to evaluate waning effectiveness against severe and fatal COVID-19 with two to three doses of CoronaVac/BNT162b2, where data are limited. Methods: A case–control study included individuals aged ≥18 years, unvaccinated or ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
What I find funny when you quote Paul Offit, is how out-of-step you are with what he says. He's not saying there that immunity doesn't wane, or that boosters do nothing; he's recommending against a policy mandate.
But what has he been clear on? He recommends vaccinating young kids; he recommends masking, and masked even after being vaccinated; he supported a mandate; he's clear that vaccine-related myocarditis is a much lower risk than the disease...
Paul Offit: The myocarditis associated with the viral infection or a myocarditis associated with this MIS-C, this post-infectious phenomenon, is
more severe than is the myocarditis associated with a vaccine. So there are never risk free choices. There are just choices to take different risks.
And I think here, clearly, the choice is to get a vaccine, which is the lesser risk.