Charlie Kirk Assassinated

[Dreiko]

I think one of the best things about your long hiatus from the Current Affairs forum was not having to read you always blame the or think the worst of black people, and as soon as you are back...

No I’m blaming Obama for inflicting Biden upon us. Biden is the actual problem here. You’re just focusing on what is the most convenient way of ignoring my argument instead of dealing with it because if it’s something a racist is saying you need not spend time considering it and can just dismiss it. If I had blamed Biden for doing the same and inflicting Kamala upon us then you would have gotten my point because she’s the black person in that equation but the thing is that I hold both views and it’s inconsistent to hold both of them together if the idea is that the person giving the nomination is always the problem so your interpretation is flawed.

 

[Chimpzy]

Military leaders consider recruiting campaign centered on Charlie Kirk

Possible slogans discussed include “Charlie has awakened a generation of warriors.” There is talk of using Turning Point USA chapters as recruitment centers.

www.nbcnews.com

New warriors? Ok, but what kind? Snipers?

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Dude people have been out there trying to kick people in the head on the street, killing a right wing political figure? Yeh that wouldn't shock me.

"When one of OUR people does something bad, they're a lone wolf and mentally troubled and we should pray for them. When one of YOUR people does something bad, it's proof that you're all evil and need to be stopped."

"You're free to speak, doesn't mean you're allowed to be paid to do so or entitled to people listening. Being fired doesn't stop you speaking. Freedom of speech only protects you from the government itself"

"If you say something we don't like, we're going to track you down and get you fired or expelled." That's literally threatening adverse effects for speaking.

 

[thebobmaster]

To be fair, it's not like any Democratic politicians are getting shot.

https://lailluminator.com/2025/06/14/minnesota-assassination/

 

[davidmc1158]

This thing may not be Obama’s fault but Bernie not being the nominee in 2020 actually was so you can blame him for almost every bad thing we see now, within reason.

The problem with Bernie is, that while he is very popular in a specific demographic, he never had the votes that would have enabled him to win. Not because of delegates or any rules-gaming. He simply did not have the votes.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Everyone knows that Gen Z teenagers text in paragraphs with lots of commas and use words like "vehicle" and "squad car."

 

[Chimpzy]

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Everyone knows that Gen Z teenagers text in paragraphs with lots of commas and use words like "vehicle" and "squad car."

low key sus. no cap

 

[Seanchaidh]

The Left had a person literally assassinate, not a politician just some asshole dude speaking.

some guy is not the left, please calm down.

 

[bluegate]

some guy is not the left, please calm down.

To add to that;

A rightwinger tried to shoot Trump.

A rightwinger broke into Nansi Pelosi's house with a hammer in an attempt to murder her.

A rightwinger shot Melissa Hortman.

Also
https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/
Archive link to the study https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

 

[Agema]

No I’m blaming Obama for inflicting Biden upon us. Biden is the actual problem here.

Exactly - Biden is the real problem, and yet you're blaming a black guy. Could you make my point harder?

Your argument is shit on any number of levels.

VP is not a particularly strong office to run for election: statistically, most VPs became president because the president died or retired mid-term. Where VPs had to become a president through election, more have failed than succeeded, so it's far from the anointment to greatness you think.

Secondly, it seems faintly absurd to blame Obama when Biden had to win a full Democratic primary and election campaign. He had to do this on his own merits. Being VP certainly would have increased his brand recognition, but he was an ambitious man (he'd run for president twice before), had a strong political background as senator and fit the party's desire for the most boringly moderate, common-talking, straight, white man they could find.

 

[Eacaraxe]

Secondly, it seems faintly absurd to blame Obama when Biden had to win a full Democratic primary and election campaign. He had to do this on his own merits. Being VP certainly would have increased his brand recognition, but he was an ambitious man (he'd run for president twice before), had a strong political background as senator and fit the party's desire for the most boringly moderate, common-talking, straight, white man they could find.

No, that one's actually on Obama. He personally organized the mass "dropout and endorse Biden" wave over the 48 hours following 2020's South Carolina primary -- which Biden didn't even win thanks to "the black vote", he won thanks to a massive surge in suburban, white, conservative primary voters. Prior to that, Biden was in the process of actively crashing out, managing to overcome the phenomenon of name recognition among low-infos, largely thanks to (credit where it's due) Harris dogging him in debates and media over racial issues in her own bid to be the "anyone but Bernie" chosen. That set the stage for Super Tuesday, after which the primaries were effectively over.

It just happened to be the case Biden was the only candidate in the Democratic field polling better than syphilis, and had managed to put points on the board sufficient to justifiably challenge Bernie. Especially after that shitshow in Iowa, replete with its numerous instances of state-level Democratic officials getting caught red-handed openly cheating to swing delegates Buttigieg's way.

2020 is, if anything, an active example of what happens when Biden has to do things "on his own merits". Just like 2008 when he crashed out over those stupid racist-ass comments made about Obama, and in 1988 when he crashed out over plagiarism and lying about his college record. And even with the astroturf support of the entire Democratic party, in the middle of a global pandemic and on the precipice of an economic crisis to rival the Great Depression, he only barely beat the likes of Donald Trump.

I mean hell, Obama himself was the one to say "don't underestimate Joe [Biden]'s ability to fuck things up".

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

No, I'm not. My brother is, and he's the one ranting about how the left killed a good Christian man and took him from his wife and son because he said a few disagreeable things, because they tried and failed to kill Trump.

How is any of that related to what you said?

You said

In other news, Jimmy Kimmel has basically been fired for criticizing how the government is politicizing the shooting.

Jimmy Kimmel Pulled “Indefinitely” By ABC After Charlie Kirk Comments

Jimmy Kimmel is off TV for now after comments the host made about Charlie Kirk

deadline.com

So was Jimmy Kimmel the ones saying everything isn't political?

And do you agree with him?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Trump is literally saying that the Federal Government should be allowed to revoke the licenses of any network that covers him negatively.

Late night hosts condemn Trump administration – as it happened

This live blog is closed

www.theguardian.com

Not stopping people speaking though.

There's no law or protection saying you must be paid for the speech only you can't be prosecuted for said speech.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Military leaders consider recruiting campaign centered on Charlie Kirk

Possible slogans discussed include “Charlie has awakened a generation of warriors.” There is talk of using Turning Point USA chapters as recruitment centers.

www.nbcnews.com

New warriors? Ok, but what kind? Snipers?

The New Kind

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

"When one of OUR people does something bad, they're a lone wolf and mentally troubled and we should pray for them. When one of YOUR people does something bad, it's proof that you're all evil and need to be stopped."

Except it seems part of the left's culture these days defending those who are regularly violent and letting them off from being punished. It's basically breeding areas and a society where people who act in self defence are punished while a person regularly violent and a danger to society can keep being left back out and it's only when there's a massive media showing of him killing an innocent woman people will finally act.

"If you say something we don't like, we're going to track you down and get you fired or expelled." That's literally threatening adverse effects for speaking.

"No no you don't get it, your speech isn't being censored you're still free to speak there's not law saying you must have a platform or be paid for it " - Many left wingers for fucking years as they've tried to get developers fired and people deplatformed.

 

[thebobmaster]

How is any of that related to what you said?

You said




So was Jimmy Kimmel the ones saying everything isn't political?

And do you agree with him?

You're right. I did say that. I also said this.

You know damned well what he meant. He was talking about holding up Charlie Kirk as proof that the left is evil and out to get everyone on the right. In other words, using Charlie Kirk's assassination to push their own policies and prove that they are right. And they proved him right by doing this.

So, let me put it bluntly. He was criticizing the right not for making this political, WHICH IT FUCKING IS, but for twisting the politics to make it beneficial to themselves. Weaponizing politics, in other words. And so, they turned their politics on him. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AND I DON'T CARE WHICH SIDE IS DOING IT. It's wrong for anything short of hate speech or calls for violence to get shut down by any government agency, PERIOD.

NOW is my stance clear enough, or are you going to continue pretending I'm a hypocrite so you can stay up on your high horse and look down on us peons?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

You're right. I did say that. I also said this.




So, let me put it bluntly. He was criticizing the right not for making this political, WHICH IT FUCKING IS, but for twisting the politics to make it beneficial to themselves. Weaponizing politics, in other words. And so, they turned their politics on him. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AND I DON'T CARE WHICH SIDE IS DOING IT. It's wrong for anything short of hate speech or calls for violence to get shut down by any government agency, PERIOD.

NOW is my stance clear enough, or are you going to continue pretending I'm a hypocrite so you can stay up on your high horse and look down on us peons?

But that's is politics. All is fair in love, war and politics. How can you politicise what is already political? How is it weaponizing when that's what's we've been told politics is about for years?


If you object to I don't know a game about a pregnant black woman fighting fake news and conspiracy theories spread by a fascist government then you don't hate how it's used you how all politics.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

"No no you don't get it, your speech isn't being censored you're still free to speak there's not law saying you must have a platform or be paid for it " - Many left wingers for fucking years as they've tried to get developers fired and people deplatformed.

And did they use the power of the government to make it happen? Did government agencies apply pressure to networks to deplatform critics?

If nothing else, please realize that your argument boils down to "we're just doing the same thing you did and that makes us morally superior".

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

And did they use the power of the government to make it happen? Did government agencies apply pressure to networks to deplatform critics?

If nothing else, please realize that your argument boils down to "we're just doing the same thing you did and that makes us morally superior".

Based on the Twitter files and other reports, yes, yes people did.

 

[vallorn]

"When one of OUR people does something bad, they're a lone wolf and mentally troubled and we should pray for them. When one of YOUR people does something bad, it's proof that you're all evil and need to be stopped."

The proof of widespread evil is not the actions of the one man, it's the crowds cheering for it and then writing lists of people to get next. It's defacing a memorial stone of Kirk and Iryna to cheering crowds and saying on camera how your friends will love it. It's trying to falsely portray him as being on the right to throw up a smokescreen. It's being Destiny and calling for more violence to your audience of thousands.

"If you say something we don't like, we're going to track you down and get you fired or expelled." That's literally threatening adverse effects for speaking.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if these people didn't write books like "the case against free speech" or say "no bad tactics, only bad targets".