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Definitely not; the comfort of the mother is immaterial to evangelical Christians. Its even in the Bible that birth is supposed to hurt.
Pointlessly misogynistic takes in the Bible? You don't say!

I guess all those cancellations of Disney+ overrode Disney's fear of Trump.


I can't wait to see what Trump's got to say about this (and what he'll tell the FCC to do),
 

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Pointlessly misogynistic takes in the Bible? You don't say!

I guess all those cancellations of Disney+ overrode Disney's fear of Trump.


I can't wait to see what Trump's got to say about this (and what he'll tell the FCC to do),
People should watch his next episode on mass to ensure Trump sees Kimmel get glowing ratings.

I want to commend Disney for having the spine of a banana. They might have cowed down to Trump and licked his boots, but with enough pressure they can also get cowardly back into the right direction.
 

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People should watch his next episode on mass to ensure Trump sees Kimmel get glowing ratings.

I want to commend Disney for having the spine of a banana. They might have cowed down to Trump and licked his boots, but with enough pressure they can also get cowardly back into the right direction.
Probably also took their lawyers a little while to gather enough evidence for a first amendment case if push would come to shove.
 

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Christ, you lose to The Game Show host and somehow you STILL can't figure out this was your own self inflicted fuck up. Once again Democrats just refuse to take accountability for their own damn positions. It's always The Voters fault, not their fault.

If we ever get to have another election, these peeps need to finally figure this lesson out rather than just whine about how they know what they're doing is bad and unpopular but it's the voters fault for not just sucking it up and voting for them anyway.

(also they are and still are protesting Trump about Palestine. You were SUPPOSED to be the one they wanted to vote as well as the one currently in power for so obviously you got more heat than Trump did)
 
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Christ, you lose to The Game Show host and somehow you STILL can't figure out this was your own self inflicted fuck up. Once again Democrats just refuse to take accountability for their own damn positions. It's always The Voters fault, not their fault.

If we ever get to have another election, these peeps need to finally figure this lesson out rather than just whine about how they know what they're doing is bad and unpopular but it's the voters fault for not just sucking it up and voting for them anyway.
Few months later and her frustrations are pretty validated. Because despite scheming to give Trump a chance to burn down his own country and more importantly the wider world Gaza hasn't been saved. Its only gotten worst. As literally everyone in the world already knew. Its almost as if those people wanted to force the world to suffer for absolutely nothing, and to the gain of no one. Fuck em. I hope more people say they were ''frustrated''. Or more preferable that people that supported Trump over Gaza were either complete idiots or outright bad people.

No one has been saved but thousands of more people have suffered in part because those people refused to do their duty. Their only saving grace is that they were hardly the only Americans who refused to do that duty. I'm sure the people that are no starving because Trump let Musk take away their foreign aid are comfortable in the knowledge that at least people ''took a stance'' for Gaza without solving a single thing about Gaza.
 

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Few months later and her frustrations are pretty validated. Because despite scheming to give Trump a chance to burn down his own country and more importantly the wider world Gaza hasn't been saved. Its only gotten worst. As literally everyone in the world already knew. Its almost as if those people wanted to force the world to suffer for absolutely nothing, and to the gain of no one. Fuck em. I hope more people say they were ''frustrated''. Or more preferable that people that supported Trump over Gaza were either complete idiots or outright bad people.

No one has been saved but thousands of more people have suffered in part because those people refused to do their duty. Their only saving grace is that they were hardly the only Americans who refused to do that duty. I'm sure the people that are no starving because Trump let Musk take away their foreign aid are comfortable in the knowledge that at least people ''took a stance'' for Gaza without solving a single thing about Gaza.
While that is true, she didn't have to be evil. She could have put beating Trump ahead of supporting Israel. She could have tried making things better, instead of just being the lesser evil.
 

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Few months later and her frustrations are pretty validated. Because despite scheming to give Trump a chance to burn down his own country and more importantly the wider world Gaza hasn't been saved. Its only gotten worst. As literally everyone in the world already knew. Its almost as if those people wanted to force the world to suffer for absolutely nothing, and to the gain of no one. Fuck em. I hope more people say they were ''frustrated''. Or more preferable that people that supported Trump over Gaza were either complete idiots or outright bad people.

No one has been saved but thousands of more people have suffered in part because those people refused to do their duty. Their only saving grace is that they were hardly the only Americans who refused to do that duty. I'm sure the people that are no starving because Trump let Musk take away their foreign aid are comfortable in the knowledge that at least people ''took a stance'' for Gaza without solving a single thing about Gaza.
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Christ, people say MAGA is a cult while you guys are dropping lines like this

Instead of saying "Shame voters were willing to burn the country to save Gaza", maybe you all should be saying "Shame Harris loved Israel more than America"

But hey, all this "blame the voters for failing the Democrats rather than blaming Democrats for failing their voters" has worked swimmingly these last few elections. Keep it going Harris, I'm sure it'll endear you to the voters if you make another run in 2028.
 

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Christ, people say MAGA is a cult while you guys are dropping lines like this

Instead of saying "Shame voters were willing to burn the country to save Gaza", maybe you all should be saying "Shame Harris loved Israel more than America"

But hey, all this "blame the voters for failing the Democrats rather than blaming Democrats for failing their voters" has worked swimmingly these last few elections. Keep it going Harris, I'm sure it'll endear you to the voters if you make another run in 2028.
Why do we have to blame one or the other? Why not both?
 

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Why do we have to blame one or the other? Why not both?
Because it's not the voters fault. Harris was given VERY clear instructions on how to win a large group of voters and she not only failed to do so, she didn't even TRY

Christ, you won't find a bigger Democrat hater than me but if Harris said she was going to turn the screws on Israel if she's president, I'd have swallowed my own pride and voted for her. She could have (and probably would have) been lying through her teeth but just for the shot at stopping Israel's Genocide I would have thrown the dice. But no, she couldn't even lie to us and say she would have done a single thing different than Biden.

So no, I soundly reject the idea that voters are (or ever are) the problem. Politicians know exactly what is and isn't popular but all that popular shit goes against what the corporations, war machine, and rich fucks want so they don't do any of it and hope that being Diet Republicans is enough to get people to vote for them.
 

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Christ, people say MAGA is a cult while you guys are dropping lines like this
Why? Is it not in the best interest of literally everyone to get far right demagogues if not outright fascists out of the white house? Is it not the case that American elections effect far, far more countries than just America and that you people have no room to play stupid games at everyone else's expense?

The US electorate literally had a single job. To keep the far right from claiming the at this time most powerful country. For their own benefit and more importantly for that of the rest of the world. I for one am not amused to have some European hating Putin bootlicker endanger my continent because the American electorate failed to answer the easiest question ever, without having any justification as to how they could have failed to see the obvious. And everyone from the peoples Trump cut aid to, from the countries who's safety he endangers likely thinks the same.

Protecting Gaza wasn't on the ballot. Americans protecting everything else, including themselves was.
 
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Eh, in hindsight, we've been over this, we disagree, that's not going to change. OTOH, we agree that the democrats are evil, and that the GOP are worse, better focus on that than continue a pointless argument.
 
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Eh, in hindsight, we've been over this, we disagree, that's not going to change. OTOH, we agree that the democrats are evil, and that the GOP are worse, better focus on that than continue a pointless argument.
While I don't disagree in terms of The Escapist Forum, this is a lesson Democrats DESPERATELY need to learn and based on Harris's new book, they are still stubbornly outright REFUSING to learn. We're just going to keep getting more Trump and Trump-like people winning if the Democrats continue to just blame everyone else for not shutting up and falling in line rather than look in the mirrors for why they keep losing.
 

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While I don't disagree in terms of The Escapist Forum, this is a lesson Democrats DESPERATELY need to learn and based on Harris's new book, they are still stubbornly outright REFUSING to learn. We're just going to keep getting more Trump and Trump-like people winning if the Democrats continue to just blame everyone else for not shutting up and falling in line rather than look in the mirrors for why they keep losing.
Oh, absolutely. And for reasons of not being evil as well. But, I fear it's all academic now anyway, and Trump or his ilk aren't going anywhere.
 

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Oh, absolutely. And for reasons of not being evil as well. But, I fear it's all academic now anyway, and Trump or his ilk aren't going anywhere.
Not anymore at least. But the US had the opportunity to exorcise those freaks from American politics, and they refused. Trump getting defeated and maybe even jailed would have crippled Maga, and come next election there's no clear successor to a movement centered entirely around one person.

But now they've....somehow been granted the opportunity to entrance themselves to power or even rehabilitate themselves they're indeed not going anywhere. They can even prop up that piece of filth Vance as a successor now.
 
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While I don't disagree in terms of The Escapist Forum, this is a lesson Democrats DESPERATELY need to learn and based on Harris's new book, they are still stubbornly outright REFUSING to learn. We're just going to keep getting more Trump and Trump-like people winning if the Democrats continue to just blame everyone else for not shutting up and falling in line rather than look in the mirrors for why they keep losing.
Do you know one thing I kind of love Trump for?

It's summoning a load of billionaires and then metaphorically making them sit, lie down, fetch and lick his hand on command. Hey guys, that's how much power the US government actually has, how it can corral these pricks into subservience.

I mean, sure, Trump then goes and ruins it by doing it all for his own amusement and gratification and self-enrichment rather than national (or international) good. But he's made absolutely unavoidable this realisation that... presidents could have done this all along. They've always been able to rein these arseholes in.
 

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