US 2024 Presidential Election
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You're...not totally wrong. But handing the country on a silver platter to whosoever the Heritage Foundation wants this time until things get bad enough that either enough people solidify around a single third party to where it overthrows the Dems or the Dems adopt progressive ideological purity above all else is...selling out the present in hopes the future will get better, maybe, someday, if we're lucky.
So you want the same exact death except (maybe) slightly slower?
Because Democrats do the same exact shit that Republicans do, they just keep to the shadows with it. It has always been a matter of when, not if, someone was going to use the power both Democrats and Republicans have been stockpiling for themselves to try to take a death grip on the country.
Ask the student who did an op-ed about Israel and Palestine what they thought about masked government goons snatching people off the street. Ask college students having a protest at their college what they thought about Storm Troopers cracking down on them and beating them. Ask the reporter who was quite literally dragged out of a press conference for daring to question Israel what he thought about freedom of the press and The US Government censoring it.
Just because when a Democrat is in charge it is easier to pretend like nothing is wrong doesn't mean shit isn't wrong.
Oh, i agree.
Now is the time to pressure Democrats to present some more appealing option. Before it is locked in.
MAGA: "Trump accepting a luxury airplane from Qatar won't influence his decisions."
www.cbsnews.com
Fucking Idaho? How do the logistics even work?
Hegseth announces Qatar will build air force facility at U.S. base in Idaho
The move is a sign of increasingly close ties between the U.S. and Qatar.
www.cbsnews.com
Fucking Idaho? How do the logistics even work?
It's not Qatar building an air force base. It's the US military building a facility to train Qataris on an existing US base.MAGA: "Trump accepting a luxury airplane from Qatar won't influence his decisions."
Hegseth announces Qatar will build air force facility at U.S. base in Idaho
The move is a sign of increasingly close ties between the U.S. and Qatar.
Fucking Idaho? How do the logistics even work?
Great. What has this got anything to do what I said?
You continually pretend someone asking you to stop Trump means they are blaming you for being in a secret party
Motives I don't have. What I have said is that Trump used you to get what he wants. If you think that means I think means I put you in a secret party... well, that explains a lot
Tulsa Gabbard is a Russian plant. I don't know if she actually know this or not. I don't have proof. She could just be an unwitting party being used by the Russian propaganda machine
You don't have to be part of the party to help it. I don't like the Dems and my words helped them. (And I remember being called genocidal for it)
I pointed out that millions of Trump voters was repeating Tippy lines straight after the election. These were mainly Leftist or Liberals. As I said then, they were not doing it because they wanted Trump. They did not want Biden (and sort of Harris)
Like, the exact words. It was uncanny. I suggested Tippy look into this group as they seem to have similar stances. So maybe Trump voter, not Trump supporter. And it was a suggestion based on that comparison. And Tippy kept going on about voting for Dems means you support all their policies. So they might not see the difference
This is true
Also, this is the MSM reporting on exactly what Hegseth said instead using critical thinking. The Trump administration has demanded the MSM not to use critical thinking and only report exactly what the administration says. So... this is the result
Because it literally happened. You can scroll back a couple pages to see. And if you're going to say "Trump supporter", you're gonna catch flak. You can pretend there's some difference in meaning, but you just come across horrible. Very bad communications of your ideas.
I mean, it isn't. He said they were building a facility on a US base to host Qatar. He did not say Qatar was building a base in Idaho. They tried critical thinking, and reached dumb conclusions, probably because their idea of "critical thinking" is using the version of "critical" that means condemnatory rather than analytical.
Yeah, shocking, two groups of people (Leftists and Trump supporters) who don't want Harris to win have similar things to say about Harris and why she didn't deserve to win. Hitler was anti-smoking too but that doesn't make me a lover of Hitler because I am also anti-smoking.
Again, I'm sorry that Harris was such a shitty candidate that she managed to lose the popular vote as well (something Democrats hadn't done since 2004) but maybe you should direct your energy to The Democrats and their policies of running shit candidates rather than whining at Third Party voters.
Fucking shameless kuntocracy all while healthcare and public services are gutted and all the rest
This is totes healthy and defo sustainable
This is totes healthy and defo sustainable
suspect the real nihilists are the ones already at the top, smashing and running off with as much as they can before the world blindly stumbles into chaotic throes of the 6th mass extinctionMarket sell-off: Trump post lops off $2 trillion from stocks in a single day
Published Sat, Oct 11 20259:32 AM EDT
U.S. President Donald Trump looks on during an announcement about lowering U.S. drug prices, at the White House in Washington, D.C., U.S., Oct. 10, 2025.
Kent Nishimura | Reuters
On Friday morning, the S&P 500 was less than a couple of points from another all-time high. Then, after a single social media post from President Donald Trump, $2 trillion in market value was wiped out.
The unraveling shows the sway the president’s one-man trade policy still has over the fate of the global economy.
Trump at 10:57 a.m. ET wrote on his Truth Social platform that China was “becoming very hostile” with the rest of the world, especially when it comes to its control of rare earth metals. He accused China of holding the world “captive” because of its “monopoly” on these crucial resources.
The key part that the stock market reacted to in the 500-word Trump post was this: “One of the policies that we are calculating at this moment is a massive increase of tariffs on Chinese products coming into the United States of America.”
That’s all it took.
Bespoke Investment Group calculates that about $2 trillion in value from the U.S. stock market was erased by that single post. The S&P 500 lost 2.7% as the closing bell rang out at the New York Stock Exchange. It was its worst performance since early April, when the stock market was in the throes of a cascading sell-off from Trump’s so-called liberation day rollout of higher-than-expected duties for every country on the globe.
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The Nasdaq Composite, home to the technology companies that rely on trade with China, sank 3.56%, also its worst performance since April. The Nasdaq touched an all-time high before the Trump post in Friday’s session.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 879 points, or 1.9% for its worst performance since May. The Russell 2000 small-cap benchmark shed 3%.
Why such a violent drop?
While the Trump administration’s trade talks with China have been progressing at a much slower pace than those with other countries, the stock market consensus was that something would eventually be worked out between the two nations and that overall relations were improving. Trump and the Chinese leader Xi Jinping were set to meet at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit at the end of this month.
The market had also become comfortable with the around 40% tariff rate already applied to China, reasoning that the U.S. economy was stronger than previously thought to withstand it, and exemptions for products made in China — like Apple’s iPhones — were broad enough to soften any economic impact.
A trader works at the New York Stock Exchange on Oct. 10, 2025.
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If Trump follows through with his latest threat, investors fear that the load may be too great to bear for the U.S. economy, which is still reliant on imported parts to build automobiles, solar panels, and the like.
Perhaps the greater risk that weighs on the market is retaliation from China on U.S. goods that could lead to an all-out trade war.
What sparked Trump’s threat?
China, overnight into Thursday, tightened its grip further on the rare earths market, of which it controls about 70% of the global supply. Beijing said outside entities must obtain licenses to export pretty much anything using its rare earths and that companies using the metals for military applications would be denied. The companies’ usage would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis by China.
A trader works at the New York Stock Exchange on Oct. 10, 2025.
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Rare earths are crucial for making semiconductors, electric vehicles and materials for advanced missiles. Trump has been trying to bolster the U.S. supplies of the metal by supporting, and even investing in, U.S. and Canada-based companies that mine for the metal.
What led Friday’s sell-off?
Chipmakers such as Nvidia and AMD led the stock market drop Friday. Nvidia, which is still trying to gain support from the two countries to sell a less-advanced AI chip to China, lost 5%. AMD, which had been leading the latest leg of the rally, sank nearly 8%. Apple lost 3%, while Tesla shed 5%.
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But it wasn’t just shares of companies directly related to China trade that declined. It was a broad market sell-off, with 424 of the S&P 500 members closing in the red. Pro investors were forced to reduce risk in everything due to a sudden drop of this magnitude. With their tech positions getting hit, other holdings needed to be sold to raise cash. Plus, there’s the threat the potential new tariffs pose to the U.S. economy. Domestic financials Bank of America and Wells Fargo lost more than 2% each, for example.
A few stocks did manage to stay green on the day. Walmart and the tobacco/nicotine stocks were slightly higher because of their defensive properties.
How long will this sell-off last?
Monday could be another rough day for the markets because Trump followed up his morning post after the closing bell by saying he would impose 100% tariffs on China “over and above any tariff that they are currently paying.”
Trump added that the U.S. would put export controls on “any and all critical software,” which could significantly impact AI leaders like Nvidia. The new duties would begin at the start of next month, around the time of the summit when Trump was set to meet with Xi. Trump’s Friday morning post suggested those talks may not happen now.
The SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust, a fund that tracks the S&P 500, added a bit to Friday’s session losses after the bell.
Still, some traders and investors believe it may be wise to wait and see if Trump follows through fully on this threat. Most of the stiff tariffs threatened in early April — which sent global markets reeling — were subsequently pared back significantly through negotiations and exemptions, laying the groundwork for a monster comeback rally to new highs for the market. It paid then to call Trump on his bluff and buy the dip — and many investors think it will again.
“The good news is that this may just be another negotiating tactic used by the administration that could yield good results over the long term,” said Jay Woods, chief market strategist at Freedom Capital Markets, during the height of the selling pressure at the NYSE. “The knee-jerk sell-off should be another buying opportunity.”
It’s worth having some perspective on Friday’s sell-off as well. The drop only took the S&P 500 back to its lowest level in a month. The benchmark is still up more than 11% for the year, with a seemingly unstoppable AI trade overshadowing any threat from tariffs, global conflicts and an ongoing government shutdown.
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(^hey i don't make the rules, or even understand them^)
The move disrupted an unusually placid period for the stock market, jarring complacent investors into running for cover for the first time in a long while and adding to the pain. Thursday was the 33rd straight day without a 1% S&P 500 move in either direction, the longest calm streak since January 2020. The market hasn’t had a major decline since the April tariff rollout correction.
One risk is that this sell-off breaks other things on Wall Street. There’s a small, but still growing contagion related to the bankruptcy of private auto parts supplier First Brands. It’s roiling banks with exposure like Jefferies Financial Group and raising concerns about the once-booming private credit industry. Jefferies was down 4% on Friday and another 6% in after-hours trading.
That’s an area to watch, along with the possibility that large hedge funds buying on margin were caught too-long on Friday and now have to aggressively deleverage, which could add to selling pressures next week. The crypto markets, especially the smaller coins outside of bitcoin, were hit especially hard on Friday. The TRUMP meme coin is down 20% in the last 24 hours.
Stock market futures open for trading Sunday evening at 6 p.m. ET. The bond market is closed Monday for Columbus Day.
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So it seems Republicans bought Dominion so they can go mess with the votes. Just another example of America falling to facism. A fall that was entirely self inflicted and avoidable
www.theguardian.com
Dominion, voting firm targeted by false 2020 election claims, sold to new owner
Company, which reached $787.5m defamation settlement with Fox News, becomes new entity called Liberty Vote
www.theguardian.com
While not asked at me, I'd answer "yes" to that. In that desperately clutching at a straw implies a want.
Well personally I'd prefer not dying at all so I'm going to vote accordingly. You can keep handing the keys over to one of the two sides slowly killing us (see the rest of my quote you cut off) and then being confused Pikachu face why we're still all dying.
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I'd ask whether it will actually be "the exact same death", or whether it will actually be just a tiny bit slower.
On the first question: there will obviously be major differences. Had the Democrats won, we wouldn't have a Secretary of Health & Human Services pulling RNA vaccine development. USAID wouldn't have been shuttered. Those two things alone could end up accounting for thousands of lives and livelihoods every year.
You could argue they might happen eventually anyway. But not even most Republican administrations have attempted moves this brutally destructive. It's quite likely that had Trump been defeated this time, these things simply wouldn't have happened.
Then we have climate. The increase in drilling, the efforts by the administration to remove protection for the Alaskan Wilderness Reserve. Every single year is vital at this point; every year is another year of biodiversity loss etc, which then makes recovery more difficult. Damage done sooner is inordinately worse than damage done later. Time matters. Climatologists are exceptionally clear on this point: earn time, and our chances of survival increase.
Voting for a third party in a two-party system when one of the two parties is lead by a narcissist demagogue with dictatorial tendencies is foolishly naive at best.
There's a hidden benefit here. Trump's assault on renewables has wrecked the US market and led China to make money elsewhere. So China is driving renewables across much of the rest of the world instead. If anything, this may actually have hastened the end of oil, because the big growth is in developing countries, and once myriad developing countries have embraced renewables, they are unlikely to go back to fossil fuels.