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Makes sense, what's the point of all those big boom-booms if you can't masturbate to them?
It's quite sad that he thinks that showing off weapons through tests makes him look tough and strong.

Reminds me of one of Biden's lines during his inauguration four years ago ( paraphrased ); we will lead by the power of our example rather than an example of our power.

How I miss those times...
 

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Makes sense, what's the point of all those big boom-booms if you can't masturbate to them?
What's funny is that since the last nuclear test was by North Korea in 2017, and nobody else has tested since the 90's, if Trump does his normal thing (nothing), he'll keep that promise.
 

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I haven't taken a vacation since 2014, not even to a nearby city. I buy used computers and look for SSD deals. I use Steam sales unless it's like Battlefield 6, where it will get outdated by the time it hits a sale. I don't drink Starbucks every day or any day or even the Costco bulk Starbucks; in fact, I don't even need to drink coffee(also, it makes me jittery). I buy food in bulk, which is proven to save money, but it gets boring eating the same thing every day. I also use Z-library.sk for most books. I don't use Crunchyroll, I use Reddit. I don't subscribe to Disney+ Plus unless they have The Mandalorian or a show I like on. I don't pay for Discord or Reddit. I yay in bulk/yearly for Nexus Mods, a fantastic UK mod company, thank the British.

Is this fun? No, it's not fun. It goes against my ADHD and my approach to things, but I have saved money, and despite earning $16.40 an hour and working 32-hour days, I still have time to build skills, save money, plus pay the bills. And I have ADHD combined and oftentimes lots of depression to the point where it makes me have flashes of suicide in my head because I don't have a full-time job that fulfills my dream(In the US military or as a researcher), so what's everyone else's excuse for not practicing, say Python Pandas, Pytorch, or even Power BI?
I wasn't going to bother responding to these again because if you can look at the state of America and go "This is fine, it's everyone else that is failing since I was able to make it work", I don't know what else to say to you but this is something that keeps nagging at me that I decided to address...

Do you not think you deserve more than just living just to stay alive? All the info I have is from your post so maybe you're keeping your jet setting fun life a secret but from your description here, you go to work and then go home. You don't do anything or go anywhere. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. You don't even get to watch fun shit or eat good food.

Do you not think that is not healthy? You are living a Spartan Life, breaking your back and doing nothing fun to show for it, all so that a bunch of rich assholes with more money than small countries can make another buck. Because I think you (and myself and millions of other Americans stuck in this cycle of bullshit) deserve more than just being a replaceable cog in the machine that couldn't care less if you snapped in half.
 

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I wasn't going to bother responding to these again because if you can look at the state of America and go "This is fine, it's everyone else that is failing since I was able to make it work", I don't know what else to say to you but this is something that keeps nagging at me that I decided to address...

Do you not think you deserve more than just living just to stay alive? All the info I have is from your post so maybe you're keeping your jet setting fun life a secret but from your description here, you go to work and then go home. You don't do anything or go anywhere. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. You don't even get to watch fun shit or eat good food.

Do you not think that is not healthy? You are living a Spartan Life, breaking your back and doing nothing fun to show for it, all so that a bunch of rich assholes with more money than small countries can make another buck. Because I think you (and myself and millions of other Americans stuck in this cycle of bullshit) deserve more than just being a replaceable cog in the machine that couldn't care less if you snapped in half.
Just because the state of the country isn't what it should be, doesn't mean you don't have power to affect things that will give you a well enough life. Every single person I know that is struggling is because they really don't try. One friend worked at Subway for over 20 years (not like manager or anything either) and only got health insurance a few years back. He FINALLY switched jobs last year because he is extremely fearful/opposed to change. Another friend is a CNA and has always worked for crappy employers that treat her like shit. Another friend of ours who is a nurse told her (about 3 years back) that he would help her become a nurse and pass all the tests; she has never attempted to become a nurse or take him up on the offer. The friend that recently got fired worked at Walgreens as a pharmacy tech for over 20 years and he's hated his job for as long as I've known him, why stay then? He obviously has enough experience to get that same job at another company or hospital (in-patient without that dealing with the public) but chose not to because he is also very opposed to change. He even basically "got" a hospital job within the last year and was sick the day he had to go for the drug test and somehow couldn't get into contact with anyone to reschedule. Or he could've just done the drug test, he wasn't so sick he couldn't do it. He's literally like Biff from Death of a Salesman.

It's not some hard or secret formula to live a decent life. All you have to do is learn a skill/trade like IT, nurse, carpenter, echo tech, dental hygienist, teacher, etc; get a few years experience in that and then you essentially have the power to change jobs at will if your employer sucks because you have a career. It's not like you have to be a doctor or lawyer or some prestigious career. There's tons of jobs that you can learn rather cheaply at a community college or trade school, I'm a IT tech at a community college that has a dental hygienist program and a nursing program that don't require going into massive debt to learn. The hardest part of the whole process is getting that first job to get your 1st 2-3 years of experience. One of my current co-workers is 22, got a student job with IT as he was attending the college, then was able to get hired on as an actual tech because of that student job. He's going to another college now to get a 4-year degree and wants to be network admin or engineer. If he isn't able to do that, he can easily be just an IT tech his whole life based on the experience he is currently getting. He's 22 and essentially "set for life" with a floor of having at least a decent job and a decent life.

And no, a decent life isn't just scrapping by and surviving. I've never made over $40K until last year (and this year) in my whole life. And I don't nickel and dime everything, I don't clip coupons, I take usually 2 vacations a year, I order out for like every meal, I don't change my own oil, etc. And I apparently live in one of the hottest zip codes in the country. I've had the same financial resources or less (usually less) than most of my friends and have more saved money than most of them. One of my friends I previously mentioned that lives at home and doesn't have money, until last year, both our incomes were literally the same. Many people just simply waste money.

Again, things can be better but people also have the power to live decent lives and it doesn't take that much work to achieve either. And a decent life today in America is just so much better than what you would even call a great life 100 years ago (maybe even 50 years ago) and to not even have that in perspective is the main reason people have such a negative view of the current state of the world. Living in like any other generation, life would be massively harder and more brutal.
 
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I wasn't going to bother responding to these again because if you can look at the state of America and go "This is fine, it's everyone else that is failing since I was able to make it work", I don't know what else to say to you but this is something that keeps nagging at me that I decided to address...

Do you not think you deserve more than just living just to stay alive? All the info I have is from your post so maybe you're keeping your jet setting fun life a secret but from your description here, you go to work and then go home. You don't do anything or go anywhere. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. Go to work, go home. You don't even get to watch fun shit or eat good food.

Do you not think that is not healthy? You are living a Spartan Life, breaking your back and doing nothing fun to show for it, all so that a bunch of rich assholes with more money than small countries can make another buck. Because I think you (and myself and millions of other Americans stuck in this cycle of bullshit) deserve more than just being a replaceable cog in the machine that couldn't care less if you snapped in half.
Vacations are overrated; you can have fun in a few weeks or a few months if you're rich, and then come back to work. For most people, it's like a few days. My fun is Skyrim Modding, video games, politics videos(Caspain Report, for example), and meetups.
 

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64% of people said emergency savings are a financial priority... which means 36% of people did not agree that emergency savings are a financial priority.
Yes, but what does that actually mean?

For instance, are emergency savings not a priority because they have an even bigger priority, like feeding themselves tomorrow? Are they not a priority because that person's already got savings, or because mum and dad will give them a handout if they're in a pinch? And then also issues like which 36% of Americans don't think emergency savings are a priority - how does this relate to age, income, social class, etc.?

I think it's a pretty credible statistic. But it can also be potentially very misleading if we want to really understand what's going on.

This math pretty much exactly matches my experience when that was my income. $40k per year was enough to cover all my expenses, plus $100-200 per month in shameless waste spending, and then also put a $500/month dent in my student loans.
Were you fit and healthy? Did you have children or other dependents to look after? How big was your student loan? What about other major expenses, e.g. house repairs?

What might be a comfortable salary for you might be an uncomfortable salary for someone else, and not because they're wasting it. You need to be very careful of these sorts of "if I can do it why not someone else" comparisons, because we have to consider the range of circumstances that different people can be in. Particularly as implicit in them is also an element of judgemental moralising.
 

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Yes, but what does that actually mean?

For instance, are emergency savings not a priority because they have an even bigger priority, like feeding themselves tomorrow? Are they not a priority because that person's already got savings, or because mum and dad will give them a handout if they're in a pinch? And then also issues like which 36% of Americans don't think emergency savings are a priority - how does this relate to age, income, social class, etc.?

I think it's a pretty credible statistic. But it can also be potentially very misleading if we want to really understand what's going on.
That's kind of my point over again. Tippy is thinking people with little savings are there because they can't possibly save, but there are assuredly also many who don't care because "mum and dad will give them a handout if they're in a pinch".
What might be a comfortable salary for you might be an uncomfortable salary for someone else, and not because they're wasting it. You need to be very careful of these sorts of "if I can do it why not someone else" comparisons, because we have to consider the range of circumstances that different people can be in. Particularly as implicit in them is also an element of judgemental moralising.
Similarly here, that's really the point over again. There are reasons why not for someone else, but they aren't "the system forces people into poverty." Being able to have some savings was characterized as "winning capitalism". In a vacuum, I can understand reading implied condescension, but when in conversation with someone spiraling about how the system is rigged to keep everyone teetering on the brink of starvation, that's not the implication.

If a widow with 3 young kids and a medical condition needs a lot of help, that's not an America problem, that's not a capitalism problem, that's not the poor being oppressed to make the rich richer or any of that nonsense.
 

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Similarly here, that's really the point over again.
Oh no it isn't. There's not really any point at all if you can't meaningfully contextualise your information. Defending your view with useless data is an exercise in futility.

If a widow with 3 young kids and a medical condition needs a lot of help, that's not an America problem, that's not a capitalism problem
Depends on whether she gets that help, really, doesn't it?
 
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You just need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps! Never mind that that phrase refers to doing something that is impossible, DO IT!
I mean, it's not impossible. There's three things that can happen...

- Nothing happens and you just get tired or strain yourself.
- You rip your straps and or boots.
- You actually pull yourself up result in falling face-forward or ass-backward.
 

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Oh no it isn't. There's not really any point at all if you can't meaningfully contextualise your information. Defending your view with useless data is an exercise in futility.

Depends on whether she gets that help, really, doesn't it?
Let's contextualize then. Consider the conversation and not just the last post you found by me. To start, that hypothetical woman certainly gets help. There are mountains of sources of help for her, both public and private, neither she nor her kids will be homeless or hungry unless she actively avoids assistance. Are you in Tippy's view that she's losing capitalism by needing those services for support? Or are you willing to say that people needing help or not saving for emergencies might not be signs of the capitalist system wringing people dry?
 

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Let's contextualize then. Consider the conversation and not just the last post you found by me. To start, that hypothetical woman certainly gets help. There are mountains of sources of help for her, both public and private, neither she nor her kids will be homeless or hungry unless she actively avoids assistance. Are you in Tippy's view that she's losing capitalism by needing those services for support? Or are you willing to say that people needing help or not saving for emergencies might not be signs of the capitalist system wringing people dry?
I go away for a few weeks and open up the forum to this.

So, I went back and it's all just assumptions that poor people are poor because they can't save. Which, to me, is just you making a bad assumption. Like, most poor people have poor parents. These parents aren't paying for diddly squat and it would very stupid to claim otherwise. At minimum wage of most states, you have to spend two full weeks paying for the cheap MONTHLY health insurance bill if you don't take any money out for tax. Sure, you're getting tax much, its still a huge dent in your pay without thinking about housing and food. Let alone having anything like emergency money. People tend to prioritise being alive over having emergency money. It's not hard

I don't know who you'd blame specifically for this but Capitalism is increasing the cost of insurance and unless there is a change in the minimum wage, it certainly is wringing money out of people by definition
 

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Let's contextualize then. Consider the conversation and not just the last post you found by me. To start, that hypothetical woman certainly gets help. There are mountains of sources of help for her, both public and private, neither she nor her kids will be homeless or hungry unless she actively avoids assistance. Are you in Tippy's view that she's losing capitalism by needing those services for support? Or are you willing to say that people needing help or not saving for emergencies might not be signs of the capitalist system wringing people dry?
So 2.5 million children in the United States are homeless each year by their or their parent's own choice? That's what you're going with?
 

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So 2.5 million children in the United States are homeless each year by their or their parent's own choice? That's what you're going with?
I mean, that statistic is intensely wrong. Even going by sources using the broadest concept of homeless, to include children being sheltered, fostered, or in transition housing, you're about double the actual number. The number of children who experience "unsheltered homelessness" according to HUD last year is <10,000, and that's not "10,000 kids are homeless", that's "10,000 kids were homeless for at least one night in a year".

This is to say our systems of support are so available and effective that 99% of the children that are in a position of not having a home provided by a parent don't spend a single night without shelter. That's what I'm going with. Frankly, even just the logistics of that are miraculous.
So, I went back and it's all just assumptions that poor people are poor because they can't save.
That's literally the opposite of what I said in multiple ways. I said that not everyone who isn't saving is poor. I said that people who are poor are likely there for more reasons than just capitalism being rigged against them. I said many things opposite to this summary.
 

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Let's contextualize then. Consider the conversation and not just the last post you found by me. To start, that hypothetical woman certainly gets help. There are mountains of sources of help for her, both public and private, neither she nor her kids will be homeless or hungry unless she actively avoids assistance. Are you in Tippy's view that she's losing capitalism by needing those services for support? Or are you willing to say that people needing help or not saving for emergencies might not be signs of the capitalist system wringing people dry?
I think, ideally, every human being should be capable of earning enough from an honest job to pay for necessities for themselves and a reasonable number of dependents, save money for old age, and afford a reasonable amount of luxuries. Capitalism is clearly not providing that for a large percentage of the population.

And in the event they can't provide for themselves, then society steps in to assist for necessities, and even a small number of luxuries. This varies, but it's not hard to see that there are frequently substantial shortcomings in societal support systems in many countries.

And I would argue here that in many cases the increase in welfare reflects the fact that in the last 40-50 years capitalism in many countries has actually become worse at providing good jobs for our countries. Taking a quick look at a graph for median earnings in the USA is an example, or likewise increases in wealth inequality in many countries. The government has therefore increasingly needed to subsidise workers to make up for their inability to earn via work.

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If what we're talking about as satisfactory is people not going homeless or hungry, that's the limit of our societal ambitions, then yes the system is a failure.
 

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The related guy's article and recording of it happening:


Was only vaguely aware of the dodgy history around lethal injection, but to find out the guy behind it was totally unqualified and openly admitted to never bothering to research anything for the drugs - still used to this day - justifying it during interviews with no more than "well 2 drugs is better than 1, and 3 drugs is definitely better than 2!" well it kinda puts the RFK shit into context as another point on a curved spectrum

In this first episode of a three-part series on lethal injection in the United States, guest hosts Steve Monacelli and Dr. Michael Phillips describe the futile quest for a “humane” form of execution, from the 1600s to the present day. They explore how each one has turned out to be extremely violent, prompting authorities to move such “gruesome spectacles” out of public view. Finally, they describe how the prospect of a televised execution in the electric chair led to the lethal injection protocol, pioneered by Texas in 1982.

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Corinna Barrett Lain, Secrets of the Killing State: The Untold Story of Lethal Injection (New York: New York University Press, 2025.)

Michael Phillips and Betsy Friauf, The Purifying Knife: The Troubling History of Eugenics in Texas (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 2025.)

Austin Sarat, Gruesome Spectacles: Botched Executions and America’s Death Penalty (Stanford: Stanford University Press, 2014.)
 
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Oh, you're deferring to intensely made up nonsense from over a decade ago. Honestly, I didn't think you could have a worse source than anonymous tweeting, but you may have found it.

For anyone curious how they reach their number, they took the counted stat for public school students (rather than the overall government estimates, can't trust those), and multiplied that by another statistic from a different source for age groups of homelessness claiming 51% of homeless children are younger than 5 and would not be counted. Mind you, their definition of homelessness is so broad as to include "living in doubled-up situations", so if two families share a house like a young mother has a roommate or siblings choose to live together or many other completely reasonable things that people do, that qualifies as your child being homeless. Like, for this living in a hotel is homelessness, so if a millionaire's home is destroyed in a flood and his family lives in a hotel until they can find somewhere new, that's homelessness. All of this coincidentally leads to the highest possible estimate they could make, and oh yeah, their organizations purpose is to create the data to drive government actions, what a crazy coincidence that they have the most extreme conclusions...
I think, ideally, every human being should be capable of earning enough from an honest job to pay for necessities for themselves and a reasonable number of dependents, save money for old age, and afford a reasonable amount of luxuries. Capitalism is clearly not providing that for a large percentage of the population.

And in the event they can't provide for themselves, then society steps in to assist for necessities, and even a small number of luxuries. This varies, but it's not hard to see that there are frequently substantial shortcomings in societal support systems in many countries.

And I would argue here that in many cases the increase in welfare reflects the fact that in the last 40-50 years capitalism in many countries has actually become worse at providing good jobs for our countries. Taking a quick look at a graph for median earnings in the USA is an example, or likewise increases in wealth inequality in many countries. The government has therefore increasingly needed to subsidise workers to make up for their inability to earn via work.

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If what we're talking about as satisfactory is people not going homeless or hungry, that's the limit of our societal ambitions, then yes the system is a failure.
I would say that talking about much more than keeping people fed and housed very quickly approaches contradiction.

It is interesting that you say the ideal is for people to earn enough to provide for themselves. I would agree, I'm sure many here would not, many would question the necessity of earning that, especially since the earning is implied to be specifically money. We have to ask the question of what the distinction is between earning the money to spend to have necessities and some luxury for oneself and dependents versus just having those things provided. Obviously on a societal scale, there is the practical difference that the things you do to earn the money are nearly all directly providing those necessities or luxuries for someone else, but setting that aside, what is the distinction between earning a living and having things provided to you on a personal level. I think the difference lies in power and agency, where what we get is a result of our own decisions. If we look at the difference between food banks and food stamps, the latter is often preferred by people, and I think that's because it lets them have what they want on their own terms. People would classify that as having more dignity, I would personally say the grace to accept the charity of others is probably actually more dignified, so I think the desire for agency is really where it's at.

Which is where the contradiction comes in, if the ideal is not just to give people what the need but rather to empower them, to have them build their own life through their own efforts, there is inevitably a line at which government intervention takes more agency from people than it is giving back. Enabling people to more easily acquires homes I would say empowers people, but making a world where it is impossible to ever be lacking would involve taking all power and agency away and giving it to the government. What to do next for any given policy requires an honest assessment of what side of that line we're on.
 

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It is interesting that you say the ideal is for people to earn enough to provide for themselves. I would agree, I'm sure many here would not, many would question the necessity of earning that, especially since the earning is implied to be specifically money.
In practice throughout history, the general state of affairs was that people worked and got enough for themselves. Hunter-gatherers did. The most primitive tenant farmers could generally provide for themselves (albeit at the whim of the landowning noble, who also took a cut of their work). Obviously, however, people were then highly vulnerable to drought, disease, war, etc. And there would have occasionally been overpopulation.

Which is where the contradiction comes in, if the ideal is not just to give people what the need but rather to empower them, to have them build their own life through their own efforts, there is inevitably a line at which government intervention takes more agency from people than it is giving back.
But what is education, if not empowerment? What is healthcare, if not empowerment (because people are no longer too sick to do stuff)? Disability support should empower disabled people to do more, and childcare empower parents to do more. You can view unemployment benefit as empowerment - you don't have to be shackled to that dead-end job that exhausts you else you'll run out of food and home, you can quit and plan something better. What are food stamps if not empowerment, because you surely have no freedom when you've starved to death.

In many cases, arguably the distinction for some is not essential to the welfare, it's a practical aspect of how people use them. Some people will be happy to live off welfare rather than work, in which case welfare could be viewed as parasitic. For other people the same welfare is a vital safety net that gives them an ability to thrive.

When socialists said "from each according to his ability", the idea was that people actually work. Preferable in a job they are good at and enjoy, and get respected for. The idea has never been that everyone just gets given stuff, at least not until some futuristic superabundance.

I would personally say the grace to accept the charity of others is probably actually more dignified
Should we be surprised that a right winger would think privatised welfare better than socialised welfare?