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It's always fun to see Tstorm come up with outlandish rebuttals.

My hat off to anyone who has the energy to continually engage with them.
 

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Dude, it's a once-a-year festival. How do you think these things work?

You may as well be criticising Thanksgiving Day as indulgence because Americans are stuffing their faces with a massive meal, or Christmas as being unrepresentative of what Christians do for the other 364 days of the year, or St. Patrick's Day because Irishness is more than a kitsch parade of green, leprechauns and Guinness.
"It's the same". "Gay people are not Pride all the time".

What new information do you think your response told me? The difference here is not that I pretend stuffing my face on Thanksgiving isn't indulgence. Of course it is. The difference is that I don't imagine stuffing my face to be a source of self-worth.
 

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It's always fun to see Tstorm come up with outlandish rebuttals.

My hat off to anyone who has the energy to continually engage with them.
Excuse me, I think you missed some posts recently. I've been told that all my thoughts are just regurgitating the talking points that Republican media feed to me.
 

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Excuse me, I think you missed some posts recently. I've been told that all my thoughts are just regurgitating the talking points that Republican media feed to me.
As if Republican media talking points cannot be outlandish..?
 

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"It's the same". "Gay people are not Pride all the time".

What new information do you think your response told me? The difference here is not that I pretend stuffing my face on Thanksgiving isn't indulgence. Of course it is. The difference is that I don't imagine stuffing my face to be a source of self-worth.
Pride isn't a "source of self-worth" either. It is a brief expression, just as are thanksgiving and Christmas.

You don't actually comprehend the feelings and motivations underpinning these things, which is clear whenever you describe them in such odd and mistargeted language.
 

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"It's the same". "Gay people are not Pride all the time".

What new information do you think your response told me? The difference here is not that I pretend stuffing my face on Thanksgiving isn't indulgence. Of course it is. The difference is that I don't imagine stuffing my face to be a source of self-worth.
It's not necessarily a failure of knowledge, but there are perhaps ways to discuss the matter that stress how odd I find your position.

You understand the idea of one-off festivals to celebrate things like nationality, religion, culture etc., and that these often come with fun, spectacle and indulgence. You understand that this sort of thing is a celebration, and does not directly and precisely reflect daily life. These absolutely do relate to identity and pride, however. For instance, when many people like the idea of the US military trundling through DC, fireworks and flag waving on July 4th, this obviously involves a major element of national pride.

But then when gay people have a festival, you appear to chuck all that general understanding about why people have celebratory festivals into a mental waste bin and manufacture a whole new set of rules. Maybe don't do that?
 

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The post I responded to said "come up with", is the critical part.
coming up with something doesn't necessarily mean you're the originator, although it can have that connotation. For example, if I come up with five dollars that doesn't mean I printed it.
 
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This dollar store printout and 300 mil ballroom really pull the place together.
I guess it's a cheap way of reminding Trump where the Oval Office is now his dementia's got serious enough.
 
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I guess it's a cheap way of reminding Trump where the Oval Office is now his dementia's got serious enough.
How are you blame this tackiness of his dementia...

He has always been like this. Slapping gold signs all over the place. All style, no substance
 
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"It's the same". "Gay people are not Pride all the time".

What new information do you think your response told me? The difference here is not that I pretend stuffing my face on Thanksgiving isn't indulgence. Of course it is. The difference is that I don't imagine stuffing my face to be a source of self-worth.
Do we need to do a True Meaning of Thanksgiving? The eating and indulgence is not the reason for the season. That's just what people do when they congregate. While I don't necessary want to claim that Thanksgiving means one patricianly ideal, most of those ideals are part of the American identity

It's always been funny to me seeing people complain about Pride like this. Particularly, when those same people have WEEKLY celebrations that reaffirm their own identity. Since you're Catholic, it might be twice a week. There are necklaces, bump stickers, T shirt slogans, Millions of YouTube channels. WHOLE FUCKING MOVIE INDUSTRY dedicated to reaffirming your identity

But the Gays doing this on a way smaller scale is just wrong
 

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Because I gave an anecdote of 3 friends that don't have a housing payment (2 live at home still, 1 lives in his passed away parents' house that is paid off), and none of them ever have money. I asked how don't you have money in that situation? You should be able to save like $1k/month easily in that situation. The response from people here is "Yes yes, everyone else is just bad at life." There's tons of people that are just bad with money.
How much do they earn a week/month?
 

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Pride isn't a "source of self-worth" either. It is a brief expression, just as are thanksgiving and Christmas.

You don't actually comprehend the feelings and motivations underpinning these things, which is clear whenever you describe them in such odd and mistargeted language.
I was, as always, responding directly to something someone else said. It is not odd or mistargeted when directly mirroring the language of the person I'm talking to.
...general understanding about why people have celebratory festivals...
Gratitude and admiration. Most of them are gratitude, some of them are admiration. Exceptionally few are actually inspired by the indulgence.

Pride is a corruption of these ideas. I don't think that you would say national pride is a thing to celebrate.
coming up with something doesn't necessarily mean you're the originator, although it can have that connotation. For example, if I come up with five dollars that doesn't mean I printed it.
Now that is an outlandish rebuttal!
 

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How are you blame this tackiness of his dementia...

He has always been like this. Slapping gold signs all over the place. All style, no substance
They aren't even signs, they're pieces of office paper with some Word Art printed on them.

If he wanted to have an actual sign there, there'd be an actual sign and not some hastily printed pieces of paper.
 
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If he wanted to have an actual sign there, there'd be an actual sign and not some hastily printed pieces of paper.
Yes, and if he wanted to have a sign, they might put up printed pieces of paper to preview what it would look like.
 

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I was, as always, responding directly to something someone else said. It is not odd or mistargeted when directly mirroring the language of the person I'm talking to.
And yet, your description doesn't mirror what anyone else said.

You've presented your own strange description of what Pride is about, from the perspective of someone with a prejudicial dislike for the people involved, which sounds alien to those who actually take part.