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[Chimpzy]

Seriously, countries need to draft laws to shut a load of this shit down. And bluntly, it needs to be targetted at the companies.

Apparently, robotaxis are operating in a legal grey area too. They cause a traffic violation, who pays the fine? The state can send a charge off to a company, but it appears that legally there's no-one to hold accountable so the companies won't have to pay them.

What annoys me is the way yhe media talk about stuff like this. "Chatgpt said". "Grok apologized". No it didn't, you stupid fucks. It is not a person. It is not sentient. It cannot apologize. It cannot say anything at all. Its 'apology' is the result of someone instructing a computer to output something resembling an apology. There's as much meaning to it as printing out a text document.

I understand that the conversation about AI faces some difficulties. We don't really have the language for something that 'talks' without also being sentient. But all this anthropomorphizing of AI is achieving l, is letting the tech bros actually running the shots off the hook.

So yes, fully agreed, it's not AI that needs legislated.

 

[Satinavian]

I'll be honest : Pedophiles trying to get AI to make pornographic pictures of children is way way better than any method of getting real pornographic pictures of children.

So i feel a bit "whatever" about it. Ideally those AI pictures should not have the likeness of specific real people nor be shared publicly, but other than that it is not much worse than the general wastefulness of current AI usage.

 

[BrawlMan]

. Ideally those AI pictures should not have the likeness of specific real people nor be shared publicly, but other than that it is not much worse than the general wastefulness of current AI usage.

That's how it starts, and usually this fucks will work their way down to someone is a real person. Famous or not. Still not a good idea to be "whatever" about it. Not to mention it can and will drive these fools further to do something horrible to an actual child or teenager. They will try scapegoat or blame AI for their own selfish actions. While the corpos at the top will just absolve themselves of any responsibility like usual.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I'll be honest : Pedophiles trying to get AI to make pornographic pictures of children is way way better than any method of getting real pornographic pictures of children.

So i feel a bit "whatever" about it. Ideally those AI pictures should not have the likeness of specific real people nor be shared publicly, but other than that it is not much worse than the general wastefulness of current AI usage.

That's missing the fact that realistic AI generated child porn still needs to be trained on real child porn. Which still makes it a lot more harmful than drawn or 3D modelled child porn, which might be distasteful but not per say unethical.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

We don't really have the language for something that 'talks' without also being sentient.

We do have a name, though: Stochastic parrot. And that's all Grok and every other LLM is- a can of words with a machine that guesses which ones go best strung together.

 

[Agema]

What annoys me is the way yhe media talk about stuff like this. "Chatgpt said". "Grok apologized". No it didn't, you stupid fucks. It is not a person. It is not sentient. It cannot apologize. It cannot say anything at all. Its 'apology' is the result of someone instructing a computer to output something resembling an apology. There's as much meaning to it as printing out a text document.

I understand that the conversation about AI faces some difficulties. We don't really have the language for something that 'talks' without also being sentient. But all this anthropomorphizing of AI is achieving l, is letting the tech bros actually running the shots off the hook.

So yes, fully agreed, it's not AI that needs legislated.

Yep: that's why they like to publicise things like where AI refuses to do things on alleged moral grounds, or makes overwrought apologies for errors suggesting emotional distress. They know perfectly well it has no emotions and no morals. But it suits them to have people believe that it does, because the more they believe it's a person, the less they think people will demand it be constrained or turned off (and thus hurt corporate profits).

 

[Chimpzy]

That's missing the fact that realistic AI generated child porn still needs to be trained on real child porn. Which still makes it a lot more harmful than drawn or 3D modelled child porn, which might be distasteful but not per say unethical.

Also an explicit admission that xAI is fine with letting Grok train on child porn. Tho considering what's in charge over there, that doesn't come as a surprise.

Feels like a much bigger stink should be raised about that. Maybe if we en masse generate images of children merely in the presence of a drag queen, all those vocal watchdog groups would suddenly get involved.

 

[Satinavian]

That's missing the fact that realistic AI generated child porn still needs to be trained on real child porn. Which still makes it a lot more harmful than drawn or 3D modelled child porn, which might be distasteful but not per say unethical.

I don't think there is any effort to specifically get child porn for AI training. AI companies steal every data they can get anyway. Furthermore i am not sure that AI needs real children child porn for training. It can extrapolate from adult pictures, non pornographic children pictures, clothes pictures, 3D models and paintings. But yeah, i believe very well that there is child porn in the training data - scrapers don't care.

Not to mention it can and will drive these fools further to do something horrible to an actual child or teenager.

I think the opposite is true. A safe, easy, comfortable option to satisfy those urges might it even less likely that something horrible happens to real children or teens.

I mean, traditional, adult porn does not lead to rape. So why would that be different with the child version ? The issue with child porn was always about its production.

 

[BrawlMan]

I think the opposite is true. A safe, easy, comfortable option to satisfy those urges might it even less likely that something horrible happens to real children or teens.

Yeah, until it happens to somebody you care about. I pray to god that you don't have a relative, a relative's kid, neighbor kid, or whoever get violated in the worst ways because the AI wasn't enough for these sick fucks. That's a pattern I've always noticed with you and you still haven't changed in this regard. You assume too much, and you have this whatever or not my problem attitude. You can't be apathetic about every single thing. You're naive, foolish, and self deceiving to believe such things or think it'll curb them easy. It will be a matter of when and not if. You know better. It's called getting actual professional help. They have places for these people to get help before they actually do something really bad.

mean, traditional, adult porn does not lead to rape. So why would that be different with the child version ?

Because at least, those have some type of standards and regulations. Most of the time. The crap may not be real, but it's still too close to real.And once again, those who claim that it won't harm anybody until something really bad happens, or said person or persons decides to make a bunch of excuses, and blame anyone but themselves for going after kids and teens. Just like those executives who try to blame it on tge AI. Just like the how Roblox and its president caters to child predators for nearly 2 decades on their platform, allowing it to happen. You disgust me.

 

[Satinavian]

Yeah, until it happens to somebody you care about. I pray to god that you don't have a relative, a relative's kid, neighbor kid, or whoever get violated in the worst ways because the AI wasn't enough for these sick fucks. That's a pattern I've always noticed with you and you still haven't changed in this regard. You assume too much, and you have this whatever or not my problem attitude. You can't be apathetic about every single thing. You're naive, foolish, and self deceiving to believe such things or think it'll curb them easy. It will be a matter of when and not if. You know better. It's called getting actual professional help. They have places for these people to get help before they actually do something really bad.

Those AI pictures will lead to less actual crimes against children. But you are fine with more children being actually raped just as long as there are no icky pictures on the internet, i certainly won't agree. The pedos exist regardless and in the same numbers. The only difference is how they get their fix.

As for professional help, yes, that would be best. It also doesn't reach the majority and there is no change in sight on that matter.


And no, i never excused Roblox on this. With Roblox, actual children are at risk.

 

[Agema]

Those AI pictures will lead to less actual crimes against children.

[Citation needed]

 

[Thaluikhain]

Those AI pictures will lead to less actual crimes against children.

Agema beat me to it, but citation needed indeed.

 

[Satinavian]

Sorry, not going on a google spree about child porn to provide sources.

 

[BrawlMan]

Sorry, not going on a google spree about child porn to provide sources.

Gee, I wonder why? Which only further proves our points. You ain't got shit to back that up to begin with.

 

[bluegate]

I mean, traditional, adult porn does not lead to rape.

Really though?

Sexualisation of people and the normalisation of said sexualisation does lead to some people acting on their urges, which includes rape. I'm not saying that everyone who watches porn goes out and rapes people, however, I wouldn't say it doesn't play some role in some people's actions.

At some point, some people will want to enact what they have been seeing on their screen in real life.

 

[Satinavian]

OK, while i still won't search for child porn, scientific studies on the effect of porn are numerous and accessible.

Quite recently for example we have this :
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030105112500064X
Suggesting that regular porn consumption leads to less arousal in other situations. If that were the same for child porn, pedos would be less turned on by children they meet in real life.

Or this
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-62516-006
suggesting that with men porn consumption lessens other sexual activity short term

Or this
https://books.google.de/books?id=M30_EAAAQBAJ&pg=PT80&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
suggesting that sexual violence perpetraitors consume less porn than other criminals

Or this meta study
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1524838020942754?journalCode=tvaa
Which pretty much confirms that consumption of nonviolent porn does not lead to more violent sexual behavior at all and might even hint weakly on an effect in the other direction.

So, generally it seems porn leads to less sexual violence (and non-porn activity) and there is no reason to assume any difference for the child version.

Sexualisation of people and the normalisation of said sexualisation does lead to some people acting on their urges, which includes rape.

Well, seems like exactly the opposite is the case. The people who don't consume porn are more likely to go out and commit rape.

Though the difference between porn users and non-porn users is not that huge. It is a minor efffect.

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There is some evidence of violent porn having a harmful impact though.

 

[Agema]

So, generally it seems porn leads to less sexual violence (and non-porn activity) and there is no reason to assume any difference for the child version.

I think this is an extraordinarily unsafe assumption.

A key element here is the caveat within "consumption of nonviolent porn does not lead to more violent sexual behavior" (my emphasis). So what about violent porn? Should we maybe consider that in its transgressiveness and exploitation, child pornography is actually more akin to violent pornography? What if it is normalising, even encouraging, abuse?

 

[BrawlMan]

If that were the same for child porn, pedos would be less turned on by children they meet in real life.

Once again, they have actual help centers and real places to actually help these people, more than some fucking AI photos of their worst and most peverse fantasies they will someday turn into reality.

 

[Satinavian]

Ok, edited too late.

There is a correlation between violent porn consumption and sexual violence. Though the causation is unclear, it might be that people prone to sexual violence like their porn violent as well. But it is indeed possible that violent porn does desensitivize against violence in real life sex acts and is therefore harmful.

Should we maybe consider that in its transgressiveness and exploitation, child pornography is actually more akin to violent pornography?

Why should we ? Child porn, afaik for the most part, does not tend to depict violence or even forceful behavior. So it should not lower any inhibitions against such. The matter is generally the same as regular porn just with younger looking individuals. Which, as we know, is correlated to less sexual violence and generally less sexual real world desire.

Once again, they have actual help centers and real places to actually help these people, more than some fucking AI photos of their worst and most peverse fantasies they will someday turn into reality.

Sure, and i am all for it.

But most pedos don't seek out those options and hide their inclinations from everyone. There is no one more reviled than a pedo in todays society.


The bad thing about child porn continues to be its production alone, not ist consumption.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Child porn, afaik for the most part, does not tend to depict violence or even forceful behavior. So it should not lower any inhibitions against such.

Non-consensual, in that it's below the age of consent. Statutory rape at least.

One imagines that those producing child porn are not overly concerned about the welfare about the children involved.

Oh, and EDIT:

But most pedos don't seek out those options and hide their inclinations from everyone. There is no one more reviled than a pedo in todays society.

Nominally, but...