Well, he won the popular vote, that's not quite the same as 50%+ of the country voting for him, and...
Oh. Um, nevermind then.
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Over 50% of the vote and probably over half the country if everyone voted, it is a pretty big sample size.
Y'all don't know what far right is.
hmm, yes, a country built with stolen labor and founded on other people's land. couldn't possibly have a far right relatively popular candidate.
Funny he mentions all of that....
Stop yapping and do it.
Fear and anger spread after another immigration shooting in Minneapolis
A federal officer has shot a man in the leg in Minneapolis after being attacked with a shovel and broom handle
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Protestors hold ‘die-in’ at Medford ICE office
This week, demonstrators showed up at Medford’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement office for the first time. That follows nationwide protests against the Trump administration's immigration enforcement crackdown.
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Do ya'll ever get tired of repeating the same virtue signalling over and over again. That's how people across the world in history were... get over it.
Immigration Agents Terrified of ICE Backlash After Shooting
Leaked documents show Border Patrol needs volunteers for Minneapolis surge
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The leaks came from the inside. It's not a doxxing.
For fun I can cherry pick data too. You'll find that comparing red state with blue states isn't really in red state's favor. But that's would miss the point. Because like I said its not even about policies theoretically being effective or not. Its about policies being in place to deliberately do people harm, and to move away from the thriving democratic world and towards hellholes like Russia.
I also didn't say ''right wing policies don't make things better''. I said FAR right policies don't make things better. Successful right wing governments exist. Successful far right governments do not. Your statement isn't useful because it operates under the assumption MAGA is just right wing. Its not. Its much farther to the right than the right. Far right one might even say.
2 cities right next to each other in the same state is comparing blue states and red states?
You have to stop with hyperbole and exaggerations, the current US administration is not far right. Just like the narrative that the election was to "save democracy!!!" was bullshit and everyone knew it, and that's why it was the democrats least effective message. You are impossible to actually have a discussion with, watch Pluribus and learn something from it.
Trump being far right isn't hyperbole. Its just a fact of life.
Who does he resemble more? Rutte or Wilders? Merkel or Weidel? David Cameron or Farage? Macron or Le Pen?
In every comparison Trump has more in common with the far right candidate than the normal right wing ones. Because he and the freaks he surround himself with are not right wing. They're far right.
Bush and Romney were right wing. Trump is righter than that. Far more to the right than that. Far right one might even say.
Funny how that you won't comment on how Minneapolis failed with lowering rent and St Paul did lower rent. Left policies don't work in lowering rent.
Trump is not far right... The fact you say Trump is a fascist proves you don't know what words mean.
Because that wasn't the conversation we were having. Americans lost the chance to have that conversation when the far right clawed its way to power. Nothing funny or unfunny about it. Its just me staying on topic. Though I did recall saying you were cherry picking and that comparing red states and blue states is rarely in the former one's favor.
Or that you don't know. In general its always confusing when Trump shares all his traits with every other far right loon but that somehow we're expected that he's the only one of that bunch who's not far right.
If Olaf Sholtz and Frans Timmermans are both politicians promoting social democrat policies and have typically the same stances then no one would take offence if we call both of them social democrats. If Cameron and Rutte are both politicians promoting right wing liberalism and have the same stances then no one would be offended if we call them liberals. But somehow when Trump shares every trait with a far right politician we are supposed to pretend that only one of those is far right, and the one that resembles him in literally every way is just your wholesome friendly neighborhood conservative?
That's weird.
You said Joe Rogan shouldn't be saying things (which is when I first replied) but you don't say the same about those endorsing far left candidates like say Mamdani. If say Mamdani pushes through everything he would like to change in NYC, the people would be far worse off than if say Trump was major of NYC. This is why people don't vote democratic because they know the alternative far left is worse. Then, I talked about something like rent prices on how right policy there works and left policy doesn't. Housing costs are one of the most important things to people (food, water, shelter), and you can't see why they wouldn't vote for people that make housing even harder to attain? The hilarious thing is that the democratic platform states they are for affordable housing, yet they do everything to make it less affordable. You just throw such people under the bus and don't even see them as people or having valid opinions. This is why the democrats lose because all they do is tell people how bad they are vs actually talking to them about any issue. Watch Pluribus, that is literally what the show is about.
If you wanna say far right in terms of the political spectrum in America, then that is fine. But far right as in actual far right and fascism (a word you all use all the time and don't know what it is). If you all think Americans are living in a fascist state, you're insulting all the people that actually lived in a fascist state. The democrats have done more things associated with the Nazis last election than the republicans but nope, it's the republicans that are Nazis (even though Nazis basically don't exist as in like the same numbers as flat earthers). Just like FDR acted more like a dictator than Trump, yet you like him because you like the end result policies vs means that it took to implement those policies.
You seem to get annoyed when Trump gets called far right, but you don't seem to have a problem with calling the center right democrats as ''far left''. Why is that? Even Mamdani has more in common with Scandinavia than he does with Stalin.
And we seem to be going in circles since I've already said I'd not blame anyone supporting Mamdani for supporting the far right....because Mamdani isn't part of the far right. He's not out to get you. His free busses aren't meant to do you harm. If the actual right wing returns to prominence in America we can discuss the nuances of right wing vs left wing economics.
I'd not not really deny that. Especially after the coup attempt Trump voters don't have valid opinions. If they think Europe should be replaced with Russia as America's ally and that Europe should be done harm then their opinions aren't valid. Even if they're just fine with it rather than actively craving it their opinions aren't valid. If they think democracy should be replaced with Trump their opinions aren't valid. If they approve of ICE occupying a blue state and behaving like animals their opinions are not valid. If they celebrate Trump for years of misrule, a coup and years of corruption then their opinions indeed aren't valid. At that point malice or supreme idiocy are the only two explanations left to explain their actions. Donald Trump is not a legitimate force in politics and neither is the far right as a whole.
Is the other side any better in this regard? Are they any more accepting of the other side? No. They're hysterical. For reasons they can't even explain they find the opposing side so teeerible they felt democracy had to be curtailed when it resulted in Trump losing office. Trump habitually calls everyone who's not part of the far right ''far left lunatics who are destroying America'', and Vance calls people he doesn't like ''the enemy from within. Apparently the Trump administration also calls people their goons murder ''domestic terrorists''
You can't blame the Democrats for rightfully calling Trump a fascist while condoning Trump calling them far worse for far less reason. The Republicans are not the ''civilized'' alternative. Far from it. So no, this point is just sheer hypocrisy on your part. As a general rule demagogues and populist have the stance that they are the only force in politics with legitimacy. They especially do not have any right to complain anyone else is ''mean'' to them.
Personally I think gleefully rushing to the far right far more insulting to the victims of fascism to be more offensive to their victims but to each their own. I don't think any victim of fascism was all that happy when that filth Vance came to Europe saying our real problem was not being supportive of the far right enough, calling our minorities the enemy from within and shilling for the German neo nazi party.
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Such as?
What have the Democrats uniquely supported, which the Republicans do not, and makes housing costs worse?
That's how the United States still is. You've done nothing to refute the point. A candidate being popular in the United States does not mean they are not far right.
Machado presents Trump with her Nobel award at White House meeting
Trump thanked Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, calling it "a wonderful gesture of mutual respect".
www.bbc.com
Still, Trump is nothing if not petty, so I might not make difference for the quisling.
Additionally, it is not actually trivial to install Machado. Trump may claim to run Venezuela or be its real interim president, but even he knows that this is not actually true.
He would need to commit troops into a lengthy adventure to install her.
But, mom, everyone else was doing it!
" At the 67 CE Olympics Nero was awarded seven crowns, in the chariot race; chariot race for 10 horses; chariot race for foals; competition for heralds; competition for tragedy; competition for lyre-playing; and in an unknown event. Several of the events were made expressly for him and were never held again. In one chariot race, he drove the chariot, fell out of it, and did not finish the race, but was still declared the victor."Ah, good, Trump has received the prize it so desperately deserves. Well, not really, but it can maybe pretend it did, and that's the same thing.Machado presents Trump with her Nobel award at White House meeting
Trump thanked Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, calling it "a wonderful gesture of mutual respect".
Still, Trump is nothing if not petty, so I might not make difference for the quisling.
Olympedia – Nero, Emperor of Roma
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