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Oh, I second the complaint, and extend it to tv and movies, which seem worse, IMHO.

OTOH, one imagines that there was plenty of old rubbish which didn't make an impact and has been forgotten, so there's selection bias at work. One also expects that a lot of widely publicised modern rubbish is soon to be forgotten as well. When was the last time people mentioned The Mortal Engines, or Twilight?
This is true, there is a selection bias and it's nice to be able to rely on it, but still the problem is exponentially worse these days. Think about how many people were in the world 200 years ago vs today. There was 1 billion people on the Earth in 1807 according to Wikipedia, with around 15% literacy. That's 150 million, but the data is likely largely estimated and the site states this is "the share of adults who could read and write a simple statement about their every day life" so it's possible that many would be barely considered literate in our every day life. But still, we'll consider 150 million with the potential to write a novel, then add in the difficulty in printing books, relative lack of publishers which would lead to more rejected novels, and you can imagine how small the number of books were actually printed each year. I wouldn't be surprised if a dedicated reader with substantial funds could actually read all of the novels released in their language every year. Thus the novels that were touted as the best of the best in the 1800s, probably really were deserving of that description, or close to it.

Compare that to today. We have over 8 billion humans with 85% global literacy. That is 6.8 billion literate individuals. That's over 45 times the number of potential authors. Account for the ease of acquiring sufficient free time and materials to write, the relative quantity of publishers, the ease of printing/digital release, the options for self publishing, and the availability of translation. The quantity of books released every day today is so enormous that even a dedicated person diligently reading every available hour of every day could only read a tiny fraction of the novels that are available. Perhaps there are novels being written that make Charles Dickens look like a rank amateur, but the fact of the matter is that the absolute tidal wave of quantity means that the quality of a book is almost completely divorced from its popularity and that success as an author comes largely down to marketing and luck. I almost can't blame people for believing that amateur works are writings of great brilliance when it's possible to read a hundred books released this year that sold well without emerging from the sphere of mediocrity.

You are right that this problem exists in other mediums as well. I'm developing a bit of a block about gaming recently because of this same problem. Perhaps there are a dozen games out there that would appeal perfectly to me and I would love more dearly than my absolute favourites, but searching for them is akin to searching for popcorn twists among an ocean of styrofoam peanuts.
 
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I'd expect that to mean that there were plenty of people who'd have been great novelists, but they were working down the pit and dying of industrial accdents by the time they hit 30.

But in any case, it's certainly true that marketing and lick is massively important, and there's an endless stream of rubbish.

OTOH...I sorta like the genre of "American writer does novel set in Victorian England, and they only things they know about Victorian England is from reading other modern novels by American writers". It's such a weird niche.
 

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I have a confession. I've probably read more classic novels than your average person could name, over 50 even written before 1900. Despite that I still can't read any variation of the words "He was erect" without laughing.
 

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Most classic or so called literary classics I either don't care about, or are only classics for their time. I always read whatever interests me, and most of those don't and only read, because I was forced to do so in school. Aside from a few exceptions.
 

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Tolkien is such a tease, man gives us animal names that run the gamut from Shadowfax all the way to Fatty Lumpkins and then proceeds to inform us about the five Shire ponies getting names from Tom and even another pony simply referred to as Bill Ferny's tired old beast and not give us their actual names.
 

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I have a confession. I've probably read more classic novels than your average person could name, over 50 even written before 1900. Despite that I still can't read any variation of the words "He was erect" without laughing.
Read any Sherlock Holmes?

 
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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is one of the worst conclusions to a series ever written. I read it when I was 13 and it was the most disappointed I had been in a book ever to that point, and I'm not sure it's been surpassed to this day. Every once in a while I start getting the urge to write an absolutely massive analysis of the book, but then I think "what's the point?" Practically nobody is going to want to read 10k words dissecting a 19 year old book.
 
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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is one of the worst conclusions to a series ever written. I read it when I was 13 and it was the most disappointed I had been in a book ever to that point, and I'm not sure it's been surpassed to this day. Every once in a while I start getting the urge to write an absolutely massive analysis of the book, but then I think "what's the point?" Practically nobody is going to want to read 10k words dissecting a 19 year old book.
Technically people might, but most of the words would be about how stuff in the book relates to stuff the author has said later, and why we should have seen this coming.
 
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Does anybody else think the cover for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince looks kind of bad?



Dumbledore and the fire look really cool, but Harry has a derpy expression on his face and his eyes look unfocused, like they are staring in slightly different directions.
 
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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is one of the worst conclusions to a series ever written. I read it when I was 13 and it was the most disappointed I had been in a book ever to that point, and I'm not sure it's been surpassed to this day. Every once in a while I start getting the urge to write an absolutely massive analysis of the book, but then I think "what's the point?" Practically nobody is going to want to read 10k words dissecting a 19 year old book.
I was off the Potter train by the release of the novel (not helped by Half-blood Prince in retrospect feeling like the first half of the two book finale), but I appreciated how they explored Dumbledore in the novel, how after his death in the previous novel we first get to see him praised to the heavens by some newspaper eulogy, then deeply questioned by Rita Skeeter, an analysis Harry could not reject, and then finally having a meeting with his brother revealing that he wasn't all a saint nor a devil but something in between, like all people, mirroring how part of growing up is critically look at your heroes and realizing they are humans as well.

Also... when you say "series", are you talking about novels specifically? I ask since to me you are most known as the guy that has strong opinions on the Zero Escape finale.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Now that you've mentioned it, I can't unsee it. He just has a hand coming out of his shoulder!
If you look close at Dumbledor's head too, its a bit longer then it should be.
 

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I was off the Potter train by the release of the novel (not helped by Half-blood Prince in retrospect feeling like the first half of the two book finale), but I appreciated how they explored Dumbledore in the novel, how after his death in the previous novel we first get to see him praised to the heavens by some newspaper eulogy, then deeply questioned by Rita Skeeter, an analysis Harry could not reject, and then finally having a meeting with his brother revealing that he wasn't all a saint nor a devil but something in between, like all people, mirroring how part of growing up is critically look at your heroes and realizing they are humans as well.

Also... when you say "series", are you talking about novels specifically? I ask since to me you are most known as the guy that has strong opinions on the Zero Escape finale.
I was talking about novels, but I think it's up there regardless. More specifically what I meant was that it made a complete mess of a story that had been, up to that point, really good. Like you can still read the Harry Potter books, and most of them are still pretty good, but you get no resolution to the overarching plot unless you suffer through book 7. I'm a bit biased in this instance since Harry Potter was my absolute favorite book series before that, and the Deathly Hallows was step one to becoming the cynical, bitter, husk you see before you.

I really don't consider Zero Escape to be a good series in any way. 999 is a good self contained story and nothing can take that away from it, but the other two games have a tenuous connection to each other at best, and have a habit of completely abandoning previous plot threads and character traits. They are each fun in their own way, but a mess as a series. I will still maintain that Zero Time Dilemma has the worst plot twist I've ever seen, irrespective of medium.
If you look close at Dumbledor's head too, its a bit longer then it should be.
I don't really see that, but it makes sense anyway. He needs more head to fit in all that extra brain he's got.