Funny events in anti-woke world

[Phoenixmgs]

Doesn't cause clusters according to you. Clusters obviously do happen in the reality in which the rest of us live.



Reread it.

Many times over the infectious dose is contained in the sneeze. Most of which dies in the air or falls to the ground.

I literally can't even find one article that said a cold outbreak was linked to a store, let alone an outbreak from people touching things in a store. You make all these claims with no fucking evidence.

Based on... you reckoning so? Hell, clusters have been reported from fomite transmission at stores, from passersby touching objects that others have sneezed on.

I literally just quoted you saying it...

We also know the infectious dose. The HID-50 and TCID-50. And so we know that someone can reach the infectious dose many times over by breathing in even a small fraction of someone else's sneeze.

 

[Casual Shinji]

A lot has been said about the divide between politics and the public. A lot of this has to do with corruption and broken promises, but to a large extend the public themselves are also to blame. They neither know what they want, nor do they care to actually find out what parties stand for before they cast their vote.

Trump is of course the obvious example but also low hanging fruit. Lets bring this closer to home. The Dutch will have a new government and public reaction to the coalition accord has been very grumpy due to putting all the burdens on the lower incomes. But during last election there was a shift away from labour and towards the center right D66, while at the same time the public declined to punish the right wing VVD for the decade+ of misrule. So now the new government consist of three right wing parties.....so duh! Of course they'll tax the poor instead of the rich. So why is the public angry? Did they not deliberately sideline the left in favor of center to hard right?

D66 is progressive on social issues but right wing economically, and the VVD is the rich people party. None of these policies are surprising. No one has been tricked. Yet austerity, less wellfare and the rich being cuddled was somehow a surprise to the public, and they're grumpy because of it.

Same happened last election. Saint Omtzigt ran on ''good governance'' and somehow the people who voted for him on vibes never heard him speak or read a single one of policies. Those voters very firmly wanted him to govern with Wilders. That saint Omtzigt was a fraud who actually did it doesn't change the fact his voters all but demanded he govern with his polar opposites, and then felt betrayed when Omtzigt broke all his promises.

Or our British friends. Brexit has now been widely regarded as a failiure and deception. And who do they turn to in order to set things right? Mister frigin Brexit.

Like you said, the public doesn't know. Hence why they consider the VVD at most a centre party, and most people probably don't even know or just forgot that Yesilgoz lied about immigrants to bring down Rutte 4. Their short term memory is aware of how awful the last cabinet was, and that it was far Right, but the amount of fear mongering from the most popular "news"/political program Vandaag Insight about the Left pretty much kept a lot of the voting public with the VVD. They still enjoy the image of being the not too extreme party, eventhough they're probably the biggest fucking snake in the Hague. You even had columnists like Angela de Jong trying to spin Yesilgoz choosing her own agenda at the expense of the voters, by excluding PvdA/Groenlinks, as somekind of feminist 'you go gurl!'

 

[Silvanus]

I literally can't even find one article that said a cold outbreak was linked to a store, let alone an outbreak from people touching things in a store. You make all these claims with no fucking evidence.

A "cold outbreak". Pause for a moment and consider why the news might not be covering outbreaks of the common cold. Something that is so universally ubiquitous, its usually not even worth mentioning.

I literally just quoted you saying it...

I don't really know where you think I'm contradicting myself here.

Many times over the TCID-50 and HID-50 is contained in a single sneeze.

Most dies in the air or falls to the ground.

If someone inhales nearby, its still quite feasible to inhale more than the HID-50.

Still not all of that will make its way into the mucus membranes. And that which does is winnowed down by the immune system.

The final result is that infection from a single interaction is unlikely. But given a few sneezes, a few minutes, and you're multiplying those numbers enormously, and more will make it through every step.

 

[Agema]

It's fake anti-woke scammer. There, made it - oh and also a(nother failed) tim pool a side project too - easy for you. Can call him dim tool, it's ok, he probably likes it plus is accurate.

I mean, I was sort of Goth-adjacent in the early-mid 90s, and I can assure you that right-wingers were not popular in that community back then. The sort of people who are right-wing tend to resent difference. They're the ones most likely to mock and bully people in subcultures like Goth. After Goths have gone to the trouble of setting up social circles to get away from socially conservative arseholes, why would they want them turning up to their clubs and events?

 

[Satinavian]

That matches my experience as well.

Of course that was decades ago and youth culture might have changed since we are no longer part of it, but if i had to guess, i would guess that goths still don't like right-wingers all that much.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

I mean, I was sort of Goth-adjacent in the early-mid 90s, and I can assure you that right-wingers were not popular in that community back then. The sort of people who are right-wing tend to resent difference. They're the ones most likely to mock and bully people in subcultures like Goth. After Goths have gone to the trouble of setting up social circles to get away from socially conservative arseholes, why would they want them turning up to their clubs and events?

Same. It was the conservatives who were freaking out about the whole thing. Whether religious or not. Is also why I found the "blue haired" crap they were obsessing over really telling during the gamergate era. It was just old grandpa conservative whining barely reheated for a particularly antisocial isolated audience. Also I remember some guy literally punching me out of nowhere one time cos of the goth attire, who I found out later on was not only a typical dude bro but also a convicted pedophile sleeping with minors lmao (and that's UK consent laws too)

 

[Phoenixmgs]

A "cold outbreak". Pause for a moment and consider why the news might not be covering outbreaks of the common cold. Something that is so universally ubiquitous, its usually not even worth mentioning.



I don't really know where you think I'm contradicting myself here.

Many times over the TCID-50 and HID-50 is contained in a single sneeze.

Most dies in the air or falls to the ground.

If someone inhales nearby, its still quite feasible to inhale more than the HID-50.

Still not all of that will make its way into the mucus membranes. And that which does is winnowed down by the immune system.

The final result is that infection from a single interaction is unlikely. But given a few sneezes, a few minutes, and you're multiplying those numbers enormously, and more will make it through every step.

Then what upper respiratory virus were you talking about? Because if you're switching from an upper respiratory virus to something else, then that's not fair.

The infectious dose is something that gets past all your defenses, that's the definition of that term. Plus, measuring sneezes and coughs are pretty pointless because nobody does either and just sprays it into the air. The metrics you bring up aren't anything you'd experience in the real world and you then go on to make real world assumptions based on it.

 

[thebobmaster]

Arya Sundaram (@aryasundaram.bsky.social)

NJ lawmakers introduce the FUCK ICE Act. The bill "permits civil action for violations of US Constitution related to immigration enforcement."

bsky.app

 

[Schadrach]

Arya Sundaram (@aryasundaram.bsky.social)

NJ lawmakers introduce the FUCK ICE Act. The bill "permits civil action for violations of US Constitution related to immigration enforcement."

bsky.app

Wouldn't you need to identify the violating agent(s) in order to sue though? That sounds like the net result will be ICE being extra-careful about their masks and otherwise hiding their identities.

 

[thebobmaster]

Wouldn't you need to identify the violating agent(s) in order to sue though? That sounds like the net result will be ICE being extra-careful about their masks and otherwise hiding their identities.

Oh, I'm sure this will be next-to-impossible to actually enforce even if it passes. I just love that they actually found a way to make a plausible-sounding Act title that abbreviates to FUCK ICE.

 

[Silvanus]

Then what upper respiratory virus were you talking about? Because if you're switching from an upper respiratory virus to something else, then that's not fair.

I was referring to how a link already posted had mentioned a cluster deriving from fomite transmission.

The infectious dose is something that gets past all your defenses, that's the definition of that term.

The infectious dose is the amount generally required to create an infection. TCID-50 and HID-50 have more specific, related definitions. Your own source has explained how much this is for common rhinoviruses. Many times that amount is contained in any given sneeze from an actively shedding individual-- which is then winnowed down by environmental and internal factors.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Title is descriptive rather than prescriptive.


This time with more Epstein!

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Oh neat trick with the reference list, was not aware that was even an option

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

The National Dairy Council's least-wanted spokesman Kid Rock has claimed that "God will cut down" reporters who claimed that he will do... something he then immediately admitted he was going to do.

Kid Rock Predicts God Will ‘Cut Down’ Journalists for Reporting (Accurately) That He’s Charging Up to $5,000 for Tour Tickets

Kid Rock lashed out against 'fake liberal media' for reporting — accurately — that he is charging up to $5,000 for 'first class' tickets to his tour.

variety.com

 

[Chimpzy]

Rob Jetten becomes Netherlands' youngest ever prime minister

The 38-year-old is sworn in as premier after clinching a narrow victory in October's election.

www.bbc.com

@Casual Shinji , @Hades , thoughts on the new PM?

 

[Casual Shinji]

Rob Jetten becomes Netherlands' youngest ever prime minister

The 38-year-old is sworn in as premier after clinching a narrow victory in October's election.

www.bbc.com

@Casual Shinji , @Hades , thoughts on the new PM?

He decided to form a coalition with the VVD. Nuff said really. Anything's better than the right-wing clown show we had previously, but I can't say I'm filled with much hope for what's coming.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I was referring to how a link already posted had mentioned a cluster deriving from fomite transmission.



The infectious dose is the amount generally required to create an infection. TCID-50 and HID-50 have more specific, related definitions. Your own source has explained how much this is for common rhinoviruses. Many times that amount is contained in any given sneeze from an actively shedding individual-- which is then winnowed down by environmental and internal factors.

What link? What disease?

Those 2 metrics are done in vivo so they aren't very accurate. When they actually purposefully infect people they find the infectious dose is higher than the previous estimate. And even in that study, they found the infectious dose, but still have no idea how much you'd get via normal transmission methods. You're trying to act like we know all this stuff when we don't. I know from super basic common sense observations that normal colds/flu don't spread nearly as easily as you claim they do.

Determination of the 50% human infectious dose for Norwalk virus - PubMed

The 50% human infectious dose measured is higher than previous estimates and similar to that of other RNA viruses. Clinical Trials Registration NCT00138476.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Hades]

Rob Jetten becomes Netherlands' youngest ever prime minister

The 38-year-old is sworn in as premier after clinching a narrow victory in October's election.

www.bbc.com

@Casual Shinji , @Hades , thoughts on the new PM?

Well it certainly can't get any worse than what we have previously.

As for Jetten himself. I don't really doubt his capabilities to do the job. He was a fine minister and a good campaigner. I don't begrudge him his win. On certain topics like Europe I even think its very good someone like him has the job.

However I don't think the coalition he forged is the one the county needs right now. A coalition accord that puts the bill exclusively with the lower and middle classes is logical for a neoliberal party, but in a world where those two classes are extremely grumpy and prone to vote for the far right out of desperation(or just wounded pride and malice) its very unwise. Its time the upper class starts pulling their weight for once. He also let the VVD walk all over him despite them being to blame for most our problems, and having betrayed Jetten personally in the past.

Whether his coalition becomes a success hinges on whether the opposition is successful in mitigating Jetten's VVD policiess but this in turn might cause the extremely opportunistic VVD to blow up the government. Jetten may be capable enough to solve this puzzle but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Might as well put it here, I guess, but someone with tourettes shouted the n-word at the BAFTA's when Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo where on stage to present an award. Shitty enough as that is, the show had a delay of (I think) 2 hours for the exact purpose of catching shit like this before it aired, but the BBC just left it in. But someone saying 'free Palestine' was edited out.

So yeah, calling out oppression and genocide is now less acceptable on national TV than saying the hard R.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Might as well put it here, I guess, but someone with tourettes shouted the n-word at the BAFTA's when Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo where on stage to present an award. Shitty enough as that is, the show had a delay of (I think) 2 hours for the exact purpose of catching shit like this before it aired, but the BBC just left it in. But someone saying 'free Palestine' was edited out.

So yeah, calling out oppression and genocide is now less acceptable on national TV than saying the hard R.

Making things somehow even worse, the "Free Palestine" comment was made by a Black filmmaker. So the BBC chose to censor a Black person expressing political sentiment, but not a White person shouting (involuntarily, because Tourette's) the N-word.

 

[Silvanus]

What link? What disease?

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"Fomite-mediated transmission is an important pathway for the three pathogens examined" [Rhinoviruses, noroviruses, influenza]

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" Infection risks ranged from 70.22% to 72.20% and illness risks ranged from 21.29% to 70.36%. A sensitivity analysis revealed that the number of hand-to-mouth contacts and the number of hand washing events had strong relationships with model-predicted doses." [Noroviruses]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665 -- this is the link you already provided;

"These studies indicate that experimental RV colds can be spread by way of contaminated environmental surfaces." [Rhinoviruses]

Those 2 metrics are done in vivo so they aren't very accurate. When they actually purposefully infect people they find the infectious dose is higher than the previous estimate. And even in that study, they found the infectious dose, but still have no idea how much you'd get via normal transmission methods. You're trying to act like we know all this stuff when we don't. I know from super basic common sense observations that normal colds/flu don't spread nearly as easily as you claim they do.

"Super basic common sense" = anecdotes, it seems.