Funny events in anti-woke world

[Agema]

Might as well put it here, I guess, but someone with tourettes shouted the n-word at the BAFTA's when Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo where on stage to present an award. Shitty enough as that is, the show had a delay of (I think) 2 hours for the exact purpose of catching shit like this before it aired, but the BBC just left it in.

It is indeed extremely awkward to leave in a racial slur. On the other hand, sometimes trade-offs need to be made.

As well as supporting black people against racism, we also need to build understanding about Tourette's syndrome. Painful though it might be, maybe the better message at that time and place was that people with Tourette's can say horrible things compulsively, and we need to tolerate that.

 

[thebobmaster]

It is indeed extremely awkward to leave in a racial slur. On the other hand, sometimes trade-offs need to be made.

As well as supporting black people against racism, we also need to build understanding about Tourette's syndrome. Painful though it might be, maybe the better message at that time and place was that people with Tourette's can say horrible things compulsively, and we need to tolerate that.

The problem is, at the same time as they left in this, they DID remove audio of someone shouting "Free Palestine!".

 

[Hades]

So Kushner's criminal father(who is a criminal) is ambassador to France these days. He's about as good at his job as he was at following the law. After being summoned to answer for inapropiate statements he failed his basic job description by not showing up. Since Kushner's criminal father(who is a criminal) refused to do his job he's now banned from meeting French ministers.

 

[Gordon_4]

So Kushner's criminal father(who is a criminal) is ambassador to France these days. He's about as good at his job as he was at following the law. After being summoned to answer for inapropiate statements he failed his basic job description by not showing up. Since Kushner's criminal father(who is a criminal) refused to do his job he's now banned from meeting French ministers.

Considering how blue the French can be, those statements must have been either hugely off tap or very, very personal.

 

[tstorm823]

Considering how blue the French can be, those statements must have been either hugely off tap or very, very personal.

It's not about being blue. It's about the following tweet:

"Violent radical leftism is on the rise and its role in Quentin Deranque’s death demonstrates the threat it poses to public safety. We will continue to monitor the situation and expect to see the perpetrators of violence brought to justice."

 

[Hades]

It's not about being blue. It's about the following tweet:

"Violent radical leftism is on the rise and its role in Quentin Deranque’s death demonstrates the threat it poses to public safety. We will continue to monitor the situation and expect to see the perpetrators of violence brought to justice."

The literal criminal speaking of justice is very funny.

But the real question is why he doesn't just answer the summon and say that. Its his job. As the (criminally charged) representative of a regime with a questionable reputation in regards to public safety and justice he's not someone who should make this argument, but it can at least theoretically be defended. If the criminal bothered to do his job.

 

[Agema]

The problem is, at the same time as they left in this, they DID remove audio of someone shouting "Free Palestine!".

Yeah, that seems like a serious oversight. Either protect everyone or no-one. And somehow, I can't help but feel black people deserve support a great deal more than the state of Israel.

 

[Casual Shinji]

As unstable as the future of the new Dutch coalition is it seems right-wing parties are adamant in one-upping their bumbling; We have the NSC desolving like spit on a hot plate, we have 7 members of the PVV just fucking leaving, and now leadership drama has kneecapped the already dwindling BBB.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

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"Fomite-mediated transmission is an important pathway for the three pathogens examined" [Rhinoviruses, noroviruses, influenza]

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" Infection risks ranged from 70.22% to 72.20% and illness risks ranged from 21.29% to 70.36%. A sensitivity analysis revealed that the number of hand-to-mouth contacts and the number of hand washing events had strong relationships with model-predicted doses." [Noroviruses]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665 -- this is the link you already provided;

"These studies indicate that experimental RV colds can be spread by way of contaminated environmental surfaces." [Rhinoviruses]



"Super basic common sense" = anecdotes, it seems.

You said this and you've not shown any proof of it yet... I also said that if you're changing the type of virus/bacteria to something that is not an upper respiratory infection, then that's not the same thing as what I was claiming, then you link to something about noroviruses.

Based on... you reckoning so? Hell, clusters have been reported from fomite transmission at stores, from passersby touching objects that others have sneezed on.

Again, you've shown nothing to prove your claim like you always do. You have no idea for most viruses/bacteria what the ACTUAL infectious dose is because challenge studies are rarely done. You have no idea how much actual live virus is in the air/surfaces per shedding event (breathing/coughing/sneezing/touching) or how much a non-infected person gets per interaction (breathing in/touching/etc) that actually make it inside the body in some form.

 

[Silvanus]

You said this and you've not shown any proof of it yet... I also said that if you're changing the type of virus/bacteria to something that is not an upper respiratory infection, then that's not the same thing as what I was claiming, then you link to something about noroviruses.

Again, you've shown nothing to prove your claim like you always do. You have no idea for most viruses/bacteria what the ACTUAL infectious dose is because challenge studies are rarely done. You have no idea how much actual live virus is in the air/surfaces per shedding event (breathing/coughing/sneezing/touching) or how much a non-infected person gets per interaction (breathing in/touching/etc) that actually make it inside the body in some form.

We already have, in this thread, a link to a metastudy encompassing numerous studies about infectious dose and various transmission vectors-- aerosol and fomite both. Then I provided 2 more-- one of which concerns norovirus, yes, but the other concerns rhinoviruses. When you say nothing has been provided, you aren't being truthful.

If you mean we haven't got a study looking at how much active viral material gets into a passerby in a naturalistic, real setting, that's obviously not practical. But we damn well have enough if we know roughly how much is in a sneeze, and how much is needed to create an infection in an experimental setting. We can derive conclusions. We can extrapolate. Its the best we can do within reason, and its how epidemiology and medical science has always been done.

TL;DR: You're essentially arguing that since we don't have a study looking at exactly the same situation as a naturalistic encounter (even though that's not possible), therefore we should just assume there's no risk, even though other methods of analysis show quite a lot of risky material.

 

[Chimpzy]

New York City police investigating after officers were hit with snowballs during a snowball fight

New York City police are investigating after officers were pelted with snowballs while responding to a massive snowball fight at Washington Square Park in Manhattan, as a winter storm blanketed the Northeast in snow.

www.cp24.com

The snowballs weren't shot because they are white

 

[tstorm823]

The literal criminal speaking of justice is very funny.

But the real question is why he doesn't just answer the summon and say that. Its his job. As the (criminally charged) representative of a regime with a questionable reputation in regards to public safety and justice he's not someone who should make this argument, but it can at least theoretically be defended. If the criminal bothered to do his job.

The tweet was posted by the embassy rather than him personally, and they sent a representative of the embassy to the hearing, likely someone infinitely more qualified, to be honest.

 

[tstorm823]

Yeah, that seems like a serious oversight. Either protect everyone or no-one. And somehow, I can't help but feel black people deserve support a great deal more than the state of Israel.

Nah, I understand it. If someone with tourettes had blurted Free Palestine, it probably gets the same treatment. Nobody anywhere is suggesting thats more offensive than the n-word, that's just not the axis on which they were deciding.

 

[Hades]

The tweet was posted by the embassy rather than him personally, and they sent a representative of the embassy to the hearing, likely someone infinitely more qualified, to be honest.

Does that matter? He's ultimately the one with final responsibility. If the French government summons him for things that fall under his responsibility he shouldn't send a toady. If the toady is vital for the conversation he can tag along rather than do it solo.

 

[Hades]

As unstable as the future of the new Dutch coalition is it seems right-wing parties are adamant in one-upping their bumbling; We have the NSC desolving like spit on a hot plate, we have 7 members of the PVV just fucking leaving, and now leadership drama has kneecapped the already dwindling BBB.

To eleborate

During last election the Farmers party largely distanced itself from their farmer roots to try and be PVV-light....in an electoral arena with at least four other powers also vying for that position. So understandably that failed and they got decimated. The figure behind this failing strategy was the party's number 2, Mona Keijzer. The leader of the farmer's party did a step back today and it was promised Keijzer would succeed her. But probably because of her failed strategy she was sidelined in favor of someone from the old guard and now she left the party, taking her seat with her.

 

[tstorm823]

Does that matter?

Yup.

Always ask yourself "if this was flipped, would I be upset."

If a left-wing activist were beaten in the street by right-wingers in America, and then died, would you be upset if the French condemned the rise of right-wing violence?
If the US then put out summons to the French Ambassador to answer for his people's condemnation of violence, would you side with the Americans?
If the French then sent a different representative to the hearing, and the US decided in response to ban the Ambassador from meeting with US government officials, would you call that justified or fascism?

You don't care about the man's actions, or even the man himself, you are reacting purely to his last name.

 

[Hades]

Yup.

Always ask yourself "if this was flipped, would I be upset."

If a left-wing activist were beaten in the street by right-wingers in America, and then died, would you be upset if the French condemned the rise of right-wing violence?
If the US then put out summons to the French Ambassador to answer for his people's condemnation of violence, would you side with the Americans?
If the French then sent a different representative to the hearing, and the US decided in response to ban the Ambassador from meeting with US government officials, would you call that justified or fascism?

You don't care about the man's actions, or even the man himself, you are reacting purely to his last name.

It wouldn’t even be flipped because Europe(and pretty much every non US country) sends actual diplomats rather than campaign donors. But if European ambassadors refused to do their basic job description I’d at least call it unprofessional since it objectively is.

The man’s last name isn’t even the problem. Sending a literal criminal is a slight against France but it’s not like the others are any better. Former ambassador to the Netherlands(and now Canada) Hoekstra also couldn’t do the job, and evidently those to Belgium or Canada either. Though even they mismanage their post and create diplomatic rows they at least show up. Unlike the criminal.

Maga ambassadors just aren’t good at their job and that’s likely deliberate

 

[Agema]

Always ask yourself "if this was flipped, would I be upset."

Irrelevant. A core job of an ambassador is to answer to the host state when required, irrespective of whether the host state is being reasonable.

And in a sense, yes is does make sense to send an embassy official, because in US use ambassadorships are often sinecures handed out to friends of the administration, with the serious diplomatic work is done by State Dept. professionals. Does Kushner think having to take flak is beneath him, or is he taking that figurehead role to its ultimate of not even showing up for the job? Who knows. Nevertheless, it's still the job of the ambassador to come and explain things when summoned.

I also wonder whether France might be displeased that the USA sent them a criminal (even if pardoned) as ambassador anyway.

 

[tstorm823]

But if European ambassadors refused to do their basic job description I’d at least call it unprofessional since it objectively is.

Stop and reconsider this seriously.

Imagine a European Embassy tweeted to condemn the killing in Charlottesville (lots of European politicians did that, I didn't find an ambassador for a perfect comparison though). Now imagine that Republicans in Congress subpoena'd the ambassador of those countries to rake over the coals for condemning political violence in America. You think if they don't go that's objectively unprofessional? Maybe in your private thoughts you believe that, but that's not what you would say publicly. You would say something along the lines of "Republican's think condemning right-wing violence is interfering in US internal affairs? That tells you everything you need to know about what US internal affairs are, it's all right-wing violence and the Republicans like it that way".

I also wonder whether France might be displeased that the USA sent them a criminal.

I think, flipping this in my mind, following my own advice, that if Republicans in the US were doing this to the French Ambassador, I would view it as completely performative nonsense wasting people's time over nothing.

 

[Hades]

Imagine a European Embassy tweeted to condemn the killing in Charlottesville (lots of European politicians did that, I didn't find an ambassador for a perfect comparison though). Now imagine that Republicans in Congress subpoena'd the ambassador of those countries to rake over the coals for condemning political violence in America. You think if they don't go that's objectively unprofessional? Maybe in your private thoughts you believe that, but that's not what you would say publicly. You would say something along the lines of "Republican's think condemning right-wing violence is interfering in US internal affairs? That tells you everything you need to know about what US internal affairs are, it's all right-wing violence and the Republicans like it that way".

An ambassador would be right to criticize far right American murderers and the US would indeed be kinda silly if they summoned them over it. Sure.

And STILL that European ambassador should just go answer the summon. It’s just not complicated. It’s their literal job.

The psychotic murderers in the Kremlin routinely summoned the Dutch ambassador when we rightfully condemn the Russian murderers over MH17. Thatthe Kremlin has a problem with this just highlight their vile nature. And yet the ambassador shows up all the same. That’s what he’s there for.