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Seanchaidh

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We make things happen via the government. We enforce anti-monopoly laws, we enforce media plurality laws; we break the corrupt and take their power from them.
But that requires organization, and for a problem like this organization outside of normal political channels.
 

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Don't worry, looks like Gergar is getting his long war.
I don't know if this will be short, I don't know if this will be long, but I can just about guarantee that the reason for saying the US can go as long as it takes is because if you put a deadline on it, you are telling people how long they have to hole up and survive before they win. If the message is as long as it takes, even if you will only be going for a few weeks, you might get a few more white flags waved in the process.
 

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I don't know if this will be short, I don't know if this will be long, but I can just about guarantee that the reason for saying the US can go as long as it takes is because if you put a deadline on it, you are telling people how long they have to hole up and survive before they win. If the message is as long as it takes, even if you will only be going for a few weeks, you might get a few more white flags waved in the process.
Are you saying that Trump learnt from his mistake in his first term?
 

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Once again: you are literally arguing that because something doesn't make intuitive sense to you (owing largely to your poor understanding of the topic) it has to be wrong. And rather than trying to improve your understanding of the topic you're just doubling down on your preconceptions.
When there's actual data that says otherwise, I will reconsider my preconceptions. What data points you and Silvanus have posted/said don't disprove my preconceptions. What you guys have posted is even weaker all those nonsense nutritional links that say stuff like eggs or dairy fat are bad for you. Humans are great at pattern recognition and until there is actual data disputing my observational pattern recognition, I will believe my pattern recognition.

I've just got point out that this is actually a winning strategy. Look at whose in the White House. If you are not smart enough, just double down on your wrongness. Its why Phoenix hates scientist
I love scientists that actually do science, you know, the scientific method.

For goodness' sake, Phoenix, you've just reverted to stuff that's already been addressed.

1. I have already explained at length that "proving" a likelihood of catching a cold from a visit to the shop is a fool's errand, and practically impossible. I have never been trying to prove any such thing.

2. I do not believe people should be concerned about getting the common cold from going to the shop, and have never been trying to convince anyone of this.

Every time you waffle on about this, you're not rebutting me; you're responding to arguments I never made. If you want to discuss what I've actually written, go back and actually read it.
Literally what you said is wrong and you have no data to prove otherwise...
Buddy, people transmit colds to one another by being in passing contact all the time.
 

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Don't worry, looks like Gergar is getting his long war.
I wrote essay after essay in college saying that is dumb, and that we should retrench go after China and Russia vs get tied down in the middle east, funny enough I also wrote the US was not going to decay, well I was right, and it's allies are declining that part I did not predict..

Granted the former would collapse the world economy, and but the later made sense. I knew the Israelis would fight Iran since I was a kid, same with with Russia invading Ukraine, and China possibly invading Taiwan.

Fighting Iran when the US already doesn't need oil from the Gulf is unwise, but the US likely saw that a vacuum in power in the region would mean China would become the region's security guarantor eventually.

I would much prefer a US-Russia fight than an US-Iran fight.
 

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When there's actual data that says otherwise, I will reconsider my preconceptions. What data points you and Silvanus have posted/said don't disprove my preconceptions. What you guys have posted is even weaker all those nonsense nutritional links that say stuff like eggs or dairy fat are bad for you. Humans are great at pattern recognition and until there is actual data disputing my observational pattern recognition, I will believe my pattern recognition.
Dude, we aren't spitballing our own hypotheses here. As I told you before: We are trying to explain foundational epidemiology to you. What we've been trying to explain to you is not novel, controversial, or inferred; it’s standard infectious disease modeling, and we have invoked the data to you.

I told you directly: "rhinovirus challenge studies show infection at very low doses (on the order of ~10 TCID₅₀ units), and that coughs and sneezes can expel thousands to tens of thousands of viral particles. So it is entirely accurate to say a sneeze can contain many times the infectious dose."

Those are very well corroborated statements, and have been for decades.

Viral Load and Sequence Analysis Reveal the Symptom Severity, Diversity, and Transmission Clusters of Rhinovirus Infections | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic

Minimum Infective Dose of the Major Human Respiratory and Enteric Viruses Transmitted Through Food and the Environment - PMC

You've said you’ll reconsider when there’s data that contradicts your view. Yet from the start, you dismissed the very premise as necessarily "ridiculous" without requesting or examining any sources, instead insisting that 'common sense' observation meant they automatically had to be wrong. That isn’t the data-first evaluation you present it as. Rather, it's a filter for data that aligns with your expectations.
 
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Damn those muslim extremists!
As an aside, when Allenby got his troops into Jerusalem in WW1 he compared it to the crusades (wasn't alone in that), and had to seriously walk things back. I'm not holding my breath on the Trump admin doing that, though they still might panic and backpedal.
 

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I don't know if this will be short, I don't know if this will be long, but I can just about guarantee that the reason for saying the US can go as long as it takes is because if you put a deadline on it, you are telling people how long they have to hole up and survive before they win. If the message is as long as it takes, even if you will only be going for a few weeks, you might get a few more white flags waved in the process.
Maybe. But this is also an administration that says it bombed Iran because Iran was going to bomb US bases even though no intelligence said it would, that's it's not about regime change and yet it's to achieve regime change, that it had to bomb Iran because Israel was going to and also that it didn't have to bomb Iran because Israel was going to, as if it couldn't stop Israel bombing Iran (oh it definitely could!) and something occasionally about nuclear weapons despite they claim they utterly annihilated the nuclear facilities last year, and that it's not going to get bogged down but boots on the ground are an option, etc.

By which I mean there's no point trying to analyse what the US regime says about this, because it is so completely internally inconsistent that no useful answers can be drawn. If they are trying to tell us everything, then they are telling us nothing.
 
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Are you saying that Trump learnt from his mistake in his first term?
Well he learned that he could get away with everything. Not even a coup turned out to be a dealbreaker for either the law or the voters. He in faxt learned his mistakes were never going to cost him and thus weren't mistakes.

Its the American electorate who haven't learned anything
 
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The American electorate doesn't have that much agency.
Let’s not pretend they’re some helpless hostages. They had all information and opportunity to vote against Trump. They just refused to do it since over half of them are likely either malicious or just inbred.
 

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Let’s not pretend they’re some helpless hostages. They had all information and opportunity to vote against Trump.
Yes and no.

What everyone believes is to some degree hostage to what they know. If we want high quality outputs in electoral decision-making, there needs to be high quality information provided to the electorate.

A large proportion of the electorate clearly have little interest in seeking out good quality information. That is undoubtedly an issue with voters themselves.

On the other hand, nor can we pretend that a lot of information available to them isn't poor quality. There is a staggering quantity of total garbage out there, and even the more reputable organisations can have serious shortcomings. I think a reputable major media outlet tends to be broadly accurate on some specifics it reports on, and yet at the same time rarely will it effectively explain any sort of complex wider picture. An example of this is the way they will send two talking heads from opposing sides to debate against each other without meaningful intervention: this often serves ostensible neutrality more than it serves greater public comprehension.
 

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On the other hand, nor can we pretend that a lot of information available to them isn't poor quality. There is a staggering quantity of total garbage out there, and even the more reputable organisations can have serious shortcomings. I think a reputable major media outlet tends to be broadly accurate on some specifics it reports on, and yet at the same time rarely will it effectively explain any sort of complex wider picture. An example of this is the way they will send two talking heads from opposing sides to debate against each other without meaningful intervention: this often serves ostensible neutrality more than it serves greater public comprehension.
While that is true, that Trump is a deeply terrible person and unfit to be in charge or anything isn't something that requires much analysis to recognise.
 

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While that is true, that Trump is a deeply terrible person and unfit to be in charge or anything isn't something that requires much analysis to recognise.
Only a little less than for all the other Democratic and Republican Presidential candidates in recent memory; his major departure is that he's gauche.