Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

[Hades]

Minab school bombing: how the worst mass casualty event of the Iran war unfolded – a visual guide

A strike on Shajareh Tayyebeh school during the US-Israeli bombing campaign killed up to 168 people. The Guardian has pieced together the incident and its aftermath using verified footage and images from the site

www.theguardian.com

Footage of the damage to the girl's school that the US recently bombed. Upwards of 150 civilians are estimated to have been killed, and 90+ more injured.

Death toll in Iran stands at over 750 according to the Red Crescent, and up to 1,500 according to other international observers, including hundreds of civilians.

In theory it could be an accident but Bibi and Trump alike seem the type to deliberately do it

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You guys cant even beat shitheads like Trump and Biden. You guys are culpable as well because you keep turning up to elections with turd sandwiches and wondering why no one wants to eat

There's a discussion to be had about inertia and the difficulties of approaching from the outside. Honestly I would prefer if Stein could reasonably be considered a reason for Harris' loss. But if you've successfully convinced people that you have to vote within the two parties, then you get to own losing to a TV clown. Twice.

 

[Gergar12]

Which is yet another reason to stay out.


Also the war seems to go splendidly : Several US planes reportedly shot down by friendly fire, one so far confirmed.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/02/middleeast/us-kuwait-aircraft-crash-iran-intl-hnk

That tends to happen in war. What's actually tragic is the death of multiple US servicemen and women, and the death of a hundred plus children in a school. Even if the Iranians possibly did it with a failed missile launch it's tragic, or the US and or Israel got poor GPS coordinates.

Even if every Stein voter voted for Harris, she still would have lost. At some point you just have to say that Harris was a shit candidate who got what she deserved, a loss.

EDIT: Honestly Harris (and Biden) is more responsible for Trump than anything any third party did.

No I disagree if Stein had stayed out, the personality of Stein wouldn't have caused many left-leaning people to vote third party. Stein does nothing in off-year elections. Wheres is a Green Party senator, or a Rep? Stein should be like Green Party Bernie Sanders, she should be canvassing, leading, and phone-banking for as many Green Party people as possible like Bernie does for Justice Democrats. Bernie may not be a democrat, but he shows to vote, gives lots of speeches when Senators who is recess, and works like hell is about to come, and force everyone to work 996 like in China with no high speed rail, or cheap hospital/healthcare prices.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

That tends to happen in war. What's actually tragic is the death of multiple US servicemen and women, and the death of a hundred plus children in a school. Even if the Iranians possibly did it with a failed missile launch it's tragic, or the US and or Israel got poor GPS coordinates.



No I disagree if Stein had stayed out, the personality of Stein wouldn't have caused many left-leaning people to vote third party.

Again, it doesn't matter. The crowd that says voting third party is pointless won, so Stein's support did not matter anywhere, Harris lost all on her own.

Stein does nothing in off-year elections.

Objectively incorrect, she does go out personally to protests, goes to speak at events, raise awareness out in the wild. It's just that liberals only pay attention to her on election years to give the illusion that she only exists on election years.

 

[Gergar12]

Again, it doesn't matter. The crowd that says voting third party is pointless won, so Stein's support did not matter anywhere, Harris lost all on her own.



Objectively incorrect, she does go out personally to protests, goes to speak at events, raise awareness out in the wild. It's just that liberals only pay attention to her on election years to give the illusion that she only exists on election years.

No she only exists in four election year cycles. That's my point, why not get more environmentalists elected in local, state, and federal elections.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

No she only exists in four election year cycles. That's my point, why not get more environmentalists elected in local, state, and federal elections.

https://www.nwahomepage.com/university-of-arkansas-news/former-presidential-candidate-jill-stein-to-speak-at-university-of-arkansas-event/

She literally spoke at an event just a couple months ago. She does indeed exist on off years. That you don't pay attention is your own fault.

 

[FakeSympathy]

Do I think the Iranian Leader was a tyrant, and was bound to be killed by someone or something? YES

Do I think it's worth roping in Iran into mess between the US, Israel, and Palestine? NO

I would love to hear what Oliver North has to say about all of this

 

[Agema]

Do I think it's worth roping in Iran into mess between the US, Israel, and Palestine? NO

Well, in recent memory, I can think of:

1) Iraq (x2) - Saddam stubbornly remained in power despite bombing and supporting rebellion, only evicted by full-scale invasion, and even then I think everyone knows how long and painful that was. Saddam was awful. But when the butcher's bill from sanctions, chaos, civil war and invasion are all factored in, I don't think it's straightforward to say the end was worth it.
2) Afghanistan - 20 years of pain and the Taliban still ending up running the place anyway.
3) Syria - long years of civil war until the Assad regime toppled, and frankly it's still in civil war, with external interference picking over the wounded body. 10 years of pain, millions fled. Fucking hell. There's some cautious optimism about the new gang at least.
4) Libya - got rid of Gaddafi, years and years more civil war, and the country is still split in two between warring factions, except in truth it's kind of run by some general behind the scenes who's as bad as anyone. Again, lots of countries (Europea, UAE, Egypt, Russia, etc.) are all interfering for their own shits and giggles.

So who fancies this Iran adventure is going to achieve anything but death and chaos?

I don't think anyone does, and worse, that's probably the intent. I think Israel has decided to turn Iran into a basket case like Palestine and Syria and Libya. It's regime change of a sort, I guess: destruction of a functioning state. Bomb it into crippling disorder so 90 million people are in chaos and degradation and ruin for decades. And they've evidently decided to add Lebanon in for good measure. No humanitarian crisis is too small for Israel and its willing accomplices in the USA. Israel has stared so long into the abyss that its leadership (and a shockingly high proportion of its populace) are indistinguishable from psychopaths, and boy were they waiting for someone like Trump to help indulge their worst ambitions of sadism.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Bomb it into crippling disorder so 90 million people are in chaos and degradation and ruin for decades. And they've evidently decided to add Lebanon in for good measure. No humanitarian crisis is too small for Israel and its willing accomplices in the USA. Israel has stared so long into the abyss that its leadership (and a shockingly high proportion of its populace) are indistinguishable from psychopaths, and boy were they waiting for someone like Trump to help indulge their worst ambitions of sadism.

This is anecdotal, of course, but I saw a Hebrew twitter conversation complaining of explosions without the usual warning sirens. That might mean that they aren't detecting Iranian missiles because they lost their radars. Not the only possible explanation.

 

[Gergar12]

https://www.nwahomepage.com/university-of-arkansas-news/former-presidential-candidate-jill-stein-to-speak-at-university-of-arkansas-event/

She literally spoke at an event just a couple months ago. She does indeed exist on off years. That you don't pay attention is your own fault.

Still no Green Party house member let alone senator…

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Still no Green Party house member let alone senator…

Indeed, things are hard. There's a ton of institutional inertia to overcome. Funnily enough a green candidate made it into the big news recently for protesting the war in Iran and having his arm broken for his trouble.

 

[Hades]

Its rather frustrating that American keep insisting to make their problems our problems.

-If Americans face a massive terror attack they go start wars in our next door neighborhood, drag us into those wars and saddle us with the refugee crisis and terror attacks that come from it. And then they act supremely ungrateful about it and downright betray us afterwards
-If America gets annoyed with countries they pressure us to go sanction them too
-If the American electorate is grumpy they insist on putting an enemy of Europe in office to go feel better about themselves without it even doing anything to help their situation.
-If the American government has hunger for land..ahem I mean security concerns up north their first instinct is to go try and steal European lands.
- If the loony president Americans elected because they were grumpy feels inadequate he goes around starting a war in our next door neighborhood(again!) while going to saddle us with the economic fallout and migration crisis that's going to come of it. And at the same time the economic chaos gives the Russians trying to topple our continent an economic lifeline they desperately needed.

There's an ocean and a continent between the US and the Middle East. They can go set the region on fire and not be affected by it. But we are next door and its adding yet more problems on a continent already assaulted on all sides. And its really annoying. And of course the moment Europe needs some help the Americans are suddenly either trying with all might to wriggle out of it, or get caught downright conspiring with our enemies or writing strategy papers claiming we're the enemy and that they need to empower enemies on our insides to take us out.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Its rather frustrating that American keep insisting to make their problems our problems.

Ursula Von Der Leyen and Kaja Kallas and Chancellor Merz and many others all blame Iran for defending itself. Your elites are captured.

 

[Silvanus]

Ursula Von Der Leyen and Kaja Kallas and Chancellor Merz and many others all blame Iran for defending itself. Your elites are captured.

Well, was it for defending itself, or was it for bombing 12 other middle eastern countries?

 

[Satinavian]

Merz has indeed been horrible. Basically supporting the US in its regime change ambitions and trying to downplay/ignore how illegal that war was.
He is also the weakest German chancellor in history, his stance isn't even shared by his own government to say nothing of the opposition. And there is zero change of Germany doing anything in support of the US or Israel here that would require a law or.

Von der Leyen is both lambasting Trump and Israel for their illegal war and Iran for retaliating against third parties. Otherwise she is trying to juggle the extremely different EU positions into anything resembling unity.

Kaja Kallas talks similar to VdL and is very far from US friendly. However she seems to still be very upset about Iran helping Russia with its Ukraine invasion (a sentiment shared by many Europeans)

And of course the sentiment is even more clear in the Ukraine itself after Iran gave thousands of Shahed drones to Russia in the early years of the war and then helped set up the whole Russian drone manufactoring industry. It was really a horrible political move from Iran that gave them a lot of new enemies.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Well, was it for defending itself, or was it for bombing 12 other middle eastern countries?

For defending itself. Iran attacked US military bases and places where US military personnel had fled.

You done libbing out?

 

[Silvanus]

For defending itself. Iran attacked US military bases and places where US military personnel had fled.

When the US says it only targets military infrastructure but Iran can point to civilian areas targeted, the US clearly cannot be trusted. When Iran says it only targets military infrastructure, and its neighbours can point to civilian areas targeted, they're also bullshitting. Al Jazeera, Oman state media, & other middle eastern sources have reported ports & docks used by civilians, and civilian industrial areas damaged, & civilians killed.

Yet their targeting remains a hell of a lot more military-focused than America's and Israel's. The level of carnage unleashed on civilian areas in Iran by the US & Israel is on another level entirely.

 

[Seanchaidh]

You done libbing out?

(The answer was no)

The level of carnage unleashed on civilian areas in Iran by the US & Israel is on another level entirely.

And the people I mentioned had what to say about that..?

 

[Silvanus]

(The answer was no)

"Liberalism" is wanting the bombing of the middle east to end, apparently. That's an interesting turnaround in rhetorical direction since 2003.

And the people I mentioned had what to say about that..?

A bunch of rank, dubious excuses for American and Israeli criminality.

Why? Do those statements help us determine who bombed what, better than the Gulf countries themselves telling us? Why did the Iranian Prime Minister himself apologise if it didn't happen?

 

[Seanchaidh]

"Liberalism" is wanting the bombing of the middle east to end, apparently. That's an interesting turnaround in rhetorical direction since 2003.

Piping up to defend the European elite's condemnation of Iran is not "wanting the bombing of the middle east to end". It is supporting the narratives and institutions that are making sure it continues and blaming the victims for defending themselves or indeed aiding the resistance to European colonialism in West Asia.

Al Jazeera, Oman state media, & other middle eastern sources have reported ports & docks used by civilians, and civilian industrial areas damaged, & civilians killed.

The standard is not whether civilians use facilities. Ben-Gurion Airport is a putatively civilian airport and it is being used to house and refuel US and israeli military aircraft; it is therefore a perfectly acceptable military target, as are the Iron Dome batteries nestled between houses or the military headquarters under the center of Tel Aviv.

And it's weird as hell to be skeptical of Iran but not the Mom and Pop family dictatorships and monarchies who are host to the United States military that is attacking Iran. But you never seem to miss an opportunity to assume that a target of the United States is dishonest or to tell other countries how they should (not) resist US aggression.