Oh sweet baby Jesus no, burn AI to the ground, humanity can't be trusted with it

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TLDR: the business is failing to turn a profit and the AI keeps fucking up inventory, which is what happens every time this has been attempted

I'm sure it'll pan out next time
Funny because my anti-AI professor here in Sweden was interviewed about this. He's currently doing a study on how companies have successfully used AI, and the spoiler is that they have not done too well.
 

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Funny because my anti-AI professor here in Sweden was interviewed about this. He's currently doing a study on how companies have successfully used AI, and the spoiler is that they have not done too well.
They seem particularly prone to failure whenever they are applied to real world environments. Probably because unlike how much tech bros want it to be, reality is not so easily boiled down to data, and AI is quite literally incapable of really understanding it.

Also, you're Swedish? Wow, I was way off. I've been thinking you're Filipino for years.
 

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They seem particularly prone to failure whenever they are applied to real world environments. Probably because unlike how much tech bros want it to be, reality is not so easily boiled down to data, and AI is quite literally incapable of really understanding it.

Also, you're Swedish? Wow, I was way off. I've been thinking you're Filipino for years.
Ah I am Filipino but I just happen to be studying in Sweden right now, which is why I am taking a course on AI in management. It has not been a great course honestly, but at the very least it is trying to present a balanced view of AI.

One thing I picked up on is that everyone keeps saying that AI leads to more productivity and efficiency. But only one guest lecturer even shared about actual practical AI implementations, and they were all of the "traditional" AI variety. It was genuinely frustrating to be talking about AI regulations, hybridisation of work with AI, etc, etc without anyone actually specifying what AI is doing.
 

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It was genuinely frustrating to be talking about AI regulations, hybridisation of work with AI, etc, etc without anyone actually specifying what AI is doing.
I get that, but I can see the logic of why they don't.

Often there's less value teaching you the application (what are you doing and how), because it is often very specific to whatever organisation you then go and join, and you only really know by joining. Trying to teach this might be like trying to show you a ton of examples and hoping one of them is the one you'll go on to use. What the courses are more usually there to do is teach a theoretical framework in which things operate so it's easier for you to make the application work the way you want.

For instance as a comparison, in my science degree the practicals were really there to teach the process of hypothesis - data collection - analysis - conclusion in experimental science. They weren't really about how to use an organ bath, or a mass spectrometer, or a fluorimeter, etc.
 

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I get that, but I can see the logic of why they don't.

Often there's less value teaching you the application (what are you doing and how), because it is often very specific to whatever organisation you then go and join, and you only really know by joining. Trying to teach this might be like trying to show you a ton of examples and hoping one of them is the one you'll go on to use. What the courses are more usually there to do is teach a theoretical framework in which things operate so it's easier for you to make the application work the way you want.

For instance as a comparison, in my science degree the practicals were really there to teach the process of hypothesis - data collection - analysis - conclusion in experimental science. They weren't really about how to use an organ bath, or a mass spectrometer, or a fluorimeter, etc.
I didn't mean that I expected to be taught how to use AI (that was explicitly not a part of the course, which is why I signed up for it haha), but the entire course is based on the assumption that AI is useful, does make people productive, etc. I expected the course to dedicate some time to prove this assumption, especially since AI is plagued by hype. Not once did someone actually back up the claim that AI makes us more productive, we just went straight into the necessities of creating legislation to encourage AI development and tech sovereignty, blah, blah.

So an AI skeptic such as myself is just left wondering while I should care about AI, besides the threat that it is to my career. The sole lecturer that shared about practical implementation of AI talked about using machine vision to stop suicide attempts in the subway and to optimize shipping packaging. But neither of these examples entail PC parts costing an arm and a leg or data centers ruining communities. I feel like the course failed to define what AI even is.
 
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Ok, so it failed this one time, but thank the gods for AI tech existing. After all, before this wonderful revolution graced our existence, how in the world did people ever manage a task as impossible as **checks notes** reading names off a piece of paper for some simple human connection during a very human moment?
 
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A scarcely mentioned and unfortunate consequence of hyping up AI (for $ what else) -





4-1 against and it happened anyways. The latest big business trend being railroaded.
 
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So I, a grad student, was trying to buy an undergrad a computer vs. them having to deal with the heat of the computer lab with its crappy 70-degree A/C that is hot as heck when it's above 80 degrees. So what I did was I found a good deal on Amazon's Woot, but for some reason, since I was shipping it to her address, using my credit card, not my Amazon card, and doing it on school wifi, it set off red flags. So I had to go to a used electronics store and use PayPal, which, funny enough, had a better laptop deal with a stronger GPU, a somewhat worse CPU, and still 32GB of RAM needed for our projects. Thanks, random billing AI, for guessing I was either getting scammed or was too poor to pay it back despite never overdrafting. I can spend hundreds on Genshin Impact, but the moment I spend 450 to get a student a better laptop, I am denied. Thanks, Woot/Amazon.
 

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Man I always have a hard time finding this thread.

Today I learned that there is a Swedish badminton racquet brand, and I got all interested. Turns out it is less than a year old and their entire selling point is that it is "designed by AI". What the fuck would AI know about designing badminton racquets??? Unless they mean the decals and decoration are AI designed, but I don't think so. The racquets are oddly minimalist even. The product listing doesn't say what AI "designed" to make the racquet different from all the top brands.

Clearly they're not very popular because pretty much every item from this brand is on a 50% discount. This is just so stupid.
 

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Man I always have a hard time finding this thread.

Today I learned that there is a Swedish badminton racquet brand, and I got all interested. Turns out it is less than a year old and their entire selling point is that it is "designed by AI". What the fuck would AI know about designing badminton racquets??? Unless they mean the decals and decoration are AI designed, but I don't think so. The racquets are oddly minimalist even. The product listing doesn't say what AI "designed" to make the racquet different from all the top brands.

Clearly they're not very popular because pretty much every item from this brand is on a 50% discount. This is just so stupid.
Even decals and decorations if entirely AI designed would not be great.

Hopefully, hopefully they mean they use computers in their design work done by humans, and are trying to use AI as a selling point. Cause if it's actually designed by AI, that's a nope.
 

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Even decals and decorations if entirely AI designed would not be great.

Hopefully, hopefully they mean they use computers in their design work done by humans, and are trying to use AI as a selling point. Cause if it's actually designed by AI, that's a nope.
Yeah I am pretty confident the decals are not AI because they don't look awful.

I am 100% sure they asked ChatGPT "what should features should a good badminton racquet have" and then just sent a screenshot to their Chinese manafacturer, based on how the owner talks about their brand online. It's kind of amazing how easily you can directly work with factories these days, but man it makes supporting smaller business more difficult.
 

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I am 100% sure they asked ChatGPT "what should features should a good badminton racquet have" and then just sent a screenshot to their Chinese manafacturer, based on how the owner talks about their brand online.
That...might not end in total disaster, I guess, but is still of course remarkably stupid.


It's kind of amazing how easily you can directly work with factories these days, but man it makes supporting smaller business more difficult.
Yeah, though odd examples of that have occurred in the past, it's totally a thing now. There's a lot of potential there for people not getting ideas from AI.
 

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It's the only thread in Tech that ever gets posted in. It pretty much has its own dedicated notification and quick access button on the forum listing.
That's exactly why, I always forget this Tech forum even exists. First I assume the thread is in Off-topic, then I check Current Events, then I remember this forum is a thing.
 
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