National Guard called into Minneapolis
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Ok. It was your framing that led us down this path so I'm not sure what you were going for.
The rise of democracy is far more complicated than the evolution of one line of technology. I mean, first of all, the assumption that communication over long distances is the catalyst makes a lot of assumptions about the nature of political systems and human communication and by no means explains the fact that many indigenous peoples figured out their own forms of democracy independently. Hell, in the days of the American Revolution, the fastest way of getting a letter to somebody was still by boat.
Second, the transition to communist societies is a whiplash because now we're assuming the liberal democracies always facilitate personal connection between their people and meet their needs comfortably, which is laughable. Food insecurity is reaching terrifying proportions alone, not even getting into the current unemployment crisis. As an American, I don't feel very personally connected. In fact, since Trump got elected, I feel less connected. And I'm not the only one.
Can we at least agree that the success or failure of a state, whether it be democratic or communist, has a few more variables than how good the phones are?
New protest related information.
Chaz is to be dismantled as a result of the 2 shootings there.
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Chaz is to be dismantled as a result of the 2 shootings there.
Seattle will move to dismantle 'Chaz' occupied protest zone, mayor says
Jenny Durkan says police will return to precinct where hundreds have gathered daily
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You're mistaking things that share a fundamental identity with things that share a quality. The spectrum of liberal democracy is things that have a fundamental sameness with different shades. Like the category "apples", there are different types of apple with different shades, but they are all related and similar in that they are apples. The spectrum of anarchism you're describing is like the category "red". You can have a red apple, or a red fire hydrant, or a red nose on a reindeer, and those things aren't fundamentally related.
A good old fashioned anarchist and a communist share an aspect, not a fundamental identity. They don't agree on what human nature is, what a world without a state looks like, what the cause of violence or proper response is. There's a chicken and egg disagreement here, whether the state makes bad actors or whether bad actors make the state. Philosophical underpinnings are important.
NYPD blatantly fabricated a poisoning to get a sympathetic story in media.
Communists don't agree with other communists about that. And anarchists don't agree with other anarchists about that. It's not actually that important a question to be resolved in practice because any system worth the effort of maintaining isn't going to rely on human nature being a certain way in order to obtain the desired results.
Communists don't agree with other communists about that. And anarchists don't agree with other anarchists about that.
Communists don't agree with other communists about that. And anarchists don't agree with other anarchists about that. Also, "the cause of violence" seems to be so general an idea as to be meaningless.
Both philosophies typically blame power discrepancies between different classes of people irrespective of whether a state is involved, which is to say in most modern cases they blame capitalism. As to the details, communists don't agree with other communists about that. And anarchists don't agree with other anarchists about that. And both typically reject the framing you're using there.
Black House Autonomous Zone is being set up / people are attempting to establish one.
It's already seen it's first fight
It's already seen it's first fight
Oh no, yelling between a couple people, something I don’t see every time I walk to a bar and back.
Edit- there is one difference between this and standard drunken hooliganism, three different black bloc dudes trying to break the fight up by standing between them.
If calling someone a racist in graffiti is a "perpetual punishment", then surely erecting a statue to them is the opposite-- a perpetual glorification. Why is that any more appropriate?
It's just what any reasonable person with a considered political philosophy will say.
No, most people who've thought it through will tell you that a system that doesn't take human nature into account is doomed to fail spectacularly.
I hope it's what a capitalist would also say, given the vast panoply of national laws used to regulate businesses and civil behaviour in capitalist nations.
I really think you’re overreacting given you have zero clue why they’re even fighting, just a few seconds of a fight getting broken up. This is honestly dumb as hell. I have seen dramatically more serious fights on basic reality TV shows.
Private property is natural as air. Our livelihoods being dependent on the almighty line is absolutely a product of human nature.
A system that "doesn't take human nature into account" and therefore "fails spectacularly" is one that relies on human nature being a certain way in order to obtain the desired result.
A spectre is haunting the thread, the spectre of communism...
Replace "party" with "poster" and the next few lines work fairly well also.
Replace "party" with "poster" and the next few lines work fairly well also.
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