Cops aren’t, so probably no.Are you an accessory for running away from a mass shooter instead of charging them down?
Cops aren’t, so probably no.Are you an accessory for running away from a mass shooter instead of charging them down?
My objection is purely for the killings. I do not condone the kid being out there at night, with a weapon, carrying the weapon while underage, or trying to take the law into his own hands. But people chasing him down with intent to harm and kill is also not right. He deserves to be charged for the crimes he did commit, which may very well be murder of the first person he shot if the details come out that way, but the other two are clearly self-defense.But I am heavily dissapointed in Spector, as I thought you of all people would understand.
Wait... so the mob was going to kill him? Are we just making stuff up again?My objection is purely for the killings. I do not condone the kid being out there at night, with a weapon, carrying the weapon while underage, or trying to take the law into his own hands. But people chasing him down with intent to harm and kill is also not right. He deserves to be charged for the crimes he did commit, which may very well be murder of the first person he shot if the details come out that way, but the other two are clearly self-defense.
Related, but you live in Michigan right? This hasn't spilled over into your state yet has it?
They were trying to defend other people. My response is the same as before. If he really wanted help, he should have done nothing, but stayed the fuck home in Wisconsin.He deserves to be charged for the crimes he did commit, which may very well be murder of the first person he shot if the details come out that way, but the other two are self-defense.
People already know, but there is no rioting going on. And him doing that shit has not stopped protestors here, in the states, or across the globe.Related, but you live in Michigan right? This hasn't spilled over into your state yet has it?
What's important is what he was thinking (or what a reasonable person would be thinking in that situation). If he thought that the mob was going to kill him, then it could be considered self-defense.Wait... so the mob was going to kill him?
To quote me earlier in the threadWhat's important is what he was thinking (or what a reasonable person would be thinking in that situation). If he thought that the mob was going to kill him, then it could be considered self-defense.
I heard of a case where there was a mob surrounding, bashing, and rocking a guy's car, so he floored it an ran over some people. It was ruled as self-defense.
Would you trust a mob not to kill you?
He went across state lines armed specifically because he wanted to fight violent protesters. He went specifically into a dangerous situation knowingly, and went because it was a dangerous situation. Self defense does not apply.
Did you use a Ouija board to contact the ghosts of the people he murdered to get this testimony?But people chasing him down with intent to harm and kill is also not right.
Well I'm glad that nothing is happening in your neck of the woods at least.They were trying to defend other people. My response is the same as before. If he really wanted help, he should have done nothing, but stayed the fuck home in Wisconsin.
People already know, but there is no rioting going on. And him doing that shit has not stopped protestors here, in the states, or across the globe.
I don't think that whether or not he ever expected to use his weapon is relevant. People wear guns on their person all the time, perhaps because they think the world is a dangerous place. That doesn't rule out self-defense when they are used.To quote me earlier in the thread
Here's another fun part - apparently this kid didn't have a drivers licenses and was even ticketed for it last week.SNIP
Thanks, not gonna lie, I needed that. It's too goddamn hot here at work (107° F, inside with the shit AC this building has on).Have some puppies.
It does if you intentionally approach a dangerous situation. You can only use self defense pleas if you weren't intentionally approaching a situation where you knew you would be in danger.I don't think that whether or not he ever expected to use his weapon is relevant. People wear guns on their person all the time, perhaps because they think the world is a dangerous place. That doesn't rule out self-defense when they are used.
I've seen posts saying he had been arrested for drug possession and resisting arrest, and had the charges dropped in court. I don't know how true it is though.Here's another fun part - apparently this kid didn't have a drivers licenses and was even ticketed for it last week.
I...don't think you understand how self-defense works.He deserves to be charged for the crimes he did commit, which may very well be murder of the first person he shot if the details come out that way, but the other two are clearly self-defense.
You can't be an accessory to a crime that's being committed against you. But if a gunman was just walking into a school, fully loaded and you saw him and didn't call the police or try to stop him or warn people, you absolutely can be charged.Are you an accessory for running away from a mass shooter instead of charging them down?
What's important is what the people were thinking (or what a reasonable person would be thinking in that situation). If they thought that the man with the gun who had already shot one of them was going to kill more of them, or leave then go kill other people, then it could be considered self-defense and defense of others to rush him and take away the gun.What's important is what he was thinking (or what a reasonable person would be thinking in that situation). If he thought that the mob was going to kill him, then it could be considered self-defense.
I heard of a case where there was a mob surrounding, bashing, and rocking a guy's car, so he floored it an ran over some people. It was ruled as self-defense.
Would you trust a mob not to kill you?
I don't know why I am saying this, but thank you Specter.Well I'm glad that nothing is happening in your neck of the woods at least.
You're right, it could.What's important is what the people were thinking (or what a reasonable person would be thinking in that situation). If they thought that the man with the gun who had already shot one of them was going to kill more of them, or leave then go kill other people, then it could be considered self-defense and defense of others to rush him and take away the gun.
So, basically, best case scenario:You're right, it could.
One's man's thoughts don't cancel out those of another, or anything... What they were thinking has no relation to what he was thinking.
Assuming that the first killing wasn't in self-defense sure. Was it?So, basically, best case scenario:
Dude murders a guy, then both he and the protestors feared for their lives, and both took action, leading to another death because the guy had a gun and it made it easiwer for him to act when he felt endangered.
Even in this best case scenario, the first killing makes him a murderer.
It wasn’t.Assuming that the first killing wasn't in self-defense sure. Was it?