Full NYT tweet thread is here, by the way, in case any of you are interested in seeing a breakdown.
“As the ladies and gentlemen of the jury can clearly see from the following video, my client had good cause to fear for his consciousness, the loss of which may have led to him getting silly pictures drawn on his face in sharpie which easily could drive my bullied nerd of a client to suicide. Such an act would only be murder by another name!”Dude c'mon
Is that supposed to prove skateboards are more of a threat than a loaded gun? 'cause I don't think anyone is arguing that if you got hit in the head with a skateboard that it wouldn't hurt and do damage, just that someone with a gun is a much more serious and immediate threat.SNIP
There was also the issue that NG are indistinguishable from militia dudes, which causes a lot of problems.Yup, Eac posted about on pg4 of the original thread, here's an artile about it:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...uard-called-out-after-police-shoot-black-man/
So it looks like the curfew and NG deployment happened at the same time.
They had the NG around the city in a more static type, which freed the actual police department up for enforcing the curfew.
A gun he had just murdered someone withIs that supposed to prove skateboards are more of a threat than a loaded gun? 'cause I don't think anyone is arguing that if you got hit in the head with a skateboard that it wouldn't hurt and do damage, just that someone with a gun is a much more serious and immediate threat.
lel“As the ladies and gentlemen of the jury can clearly see from the following video, my client had good cause to fear for his consciousness, the loss of which may have led to him getting silly pictures drawn on his face in sharpie which easily could drive my bullied nerd of a client to suicide. Such an act would only be murder by another name!”
No, just that they're a neat wooden board with plastic bits you can use to beat people with. It's designed to be a fun riding experience, though.Is that supposed to prove skateboards are more of a threat than a loaded gun? 'cause I don't think anyone is arguing that if you got hit in the head with a skateboard that it wouldn't hurt and do damage, just that someone with a gun is a much more serious and immediate threat.
I beg your fucking pardon?At least I got a few clips of the kid, he seemed harmless.
There is around 4-5 minutes worth of interview clips of him. I said earlier he reminded me of myself when I was his age.I beg your fucking pardon?
Well sure, but I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. Nor is anyone arguing a skateboard to the head isn't a serious threat. If someone coldcocks you in the skull with a board, that's straight up assault and you have every legal reason to fight back.No, just that they're a neat wooden board with plastic bits you can use to beat people with. It's designed to be a fun riding experience, though.
Yeah, ok. You're probably correct, but I'm a contrarian by nature so I'll see after they finish this in court. I still haven't figured out why he was on his own in the first place, and I understand why he'd be scared if he got separated.Well sure, but I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. Nor is anyone arguing a skateboard to the head isn't a serious threat. If someone coldcocks you in the skull with a board, that's straight up assault and you have every legal reason to fight back.
What people are arguing is that the terrorist had already killed someone. He was an active shooter attempting to flee the scene of the crime. The people defending themselves and the citizens around them were the ones chasing down the terrorist and attempting to disarm/subdue him.
and Im pretty sure criminals can't claim self-defense in the act of shooting more people who were attempting to stop them from fleeing the scene.
Given the video that was shown of earlier on (When "Shoot me nigga" was still alive), you can hear a woman that seems to be with the militia (Given where I'm hearing the audio come from) say repeatedly, "We have to stick together". It seemed like the militia was moving out for some reason and were trying to not get separated.Yeah, ok. You're probably correct, but I'm a contrarian by nature so I'll see after they finish this in court. I still haven't figured out why he was on his own in the first place, and I understand why he'd be scared if he got separated.
The most appropriate way to refer to a murder victim.(When "Shoot me nigga" was still alive)
The most appropriate way to refer to a murder victim.
Well holy shit, I literally didn't think this shit show could get worse, but I guess that one is on me for not updating my imagination to 2020 levels of awful yet. Police were interacting with him and his group fucking 20 minutes before the shooting puts them at about 11 o'clock, which is so far past the curfew it's fucking staggering. Police sitting a fucking block away from active gunfire from multiple different shooters (this is another fucking twist I still can't believe), and didn't even fucking move in until after the bodies were starting to cool and fucking let an armed person, with him and others saying he shot people go. Not even detaining him to fucking figure out what happened, just let him fucking walk.Full NYT tweet thread is here, by the way, in case any of you are interested in seeing a breakdown.
I don't doubt it.There is around 4-5 minutes worth of interview clips of him. I said earlier he reminded me of myself when I was his age.
Or "the pedophile"The most appropriate way to refer to a murder victim.
Yeah, that’s probably exactly what happened… You should go into law; you’d be a wet dream of a defense attorney with how much credence you place on reasonable doubt over logically most likely. “Literally anything else could have happened, therefor not guilty.” Oh wait, lemme guess: you ARE an attorney. DUN-DUN! Got us again, you sneaky bastard!Yeah, perhaps he had family and friends in Kenosha. Perhaps they even invited him.
Agreed, we have the right to bear arms, but NOT the right to go vigilante and dispense justice based on our “beliefs.” I “believe” my neighbor is an ass who mows his law at 7am; I’m not allowed to threaten him with a gun let alone shoot him, even less so could I travel 20 miles away to the house he moved to and threaten him with a gun because he continues to mow at 7am. The right to bear arms is for personal protection, not to empower people to run the streets looking for reasons to use them.I think it's every American's constitutionally protected right to bear arms and defend what they believe in, regardless of whether or not one is personally in danger. It's more complicated than that, of course, but that's the gist of it.
Nobody complained when the NFAC took up guns and showed them off. Nobody said it wasn't their job or their right.
source - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest
Were these people standing up for their rights, or weren't they?
Was it their job, or wasn't it?
If you want to condemn him, you'd need to condemn these people too. If you praise them, you'd need to praise them both.
For personal protection; they're not going all "Batman" and roaming the streets because "justice." Rittenhouse may have acted in self-defense, but the fact remains, he went looking for a reason to; his finding one doesn't clear him of wrong-doing.I'm not disputing that, just like I'm not disputing that hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens with weapon permits, and who carry guns on their person every day are also prepared to use their weapons, should the need arise. Just like the people pictured above were prepared to use their weapons.
It's probably because they saw nothing illegal happened. I mean, they didn't have the obligation to protect the protesters. That's why they didn't arrest him after he killed two people.Well holy shit, I literally didn't think this shit show could get worse, but I guess that one is on me for not updating my imagination to 2020 levels of awful yet. Police were interacting with him and his group fucking 20 minutes before the shooting puts them at about 11 o'clock, which is so far past the curfew it's fucking staggering. Police sitting a fucking block away from active gunfire from multiple different shooters (this is another fucking twist I still can't believe), and didn't even fucking move in until after the bodies were starting to cool and fucking let an armed person, with him and others saying he shot people go. Not even detaining him to fucking figure out what happened, just let him fucking walk.
That's kind of how it works. It's on the prosecution to PROVE that their version of the events DID happen. All the defense has to do is introduce the (reasonable) POSSIBILITY that something or anything else did happen. If it can't be ruled out, or if the prosecution hasn't proved their case, the jury must (should) vote not guilty.“Literally anything else could have happened, therefor not guilty.”
The law doesn't, which is what counts.I do condemn him AND them.
THE DEFENSE RESTS!Rittenhouse may have acted in self-defense