My uncle had it, late-50's, early-60's if I remember his age right. He was in the ICU for two weeks, he was on a ventilator for most of that time -- nasally cannulated, not tracheally intubated, if I remember right.
2019-2020 coronavirus pandemic (Vaccination 2021 Edition)
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California always overreacts. It is the home of Hollywood after all. Bunch of soyboy beta cucks.
Fauci went back and forth on masks. And the president said masks are "recommended" (aka your choice) and that he won't be wearing one on several occasions.
Did you see the results of that trial? Then, there's the staggering numbers for hospitalizations and deaths from Vitamin D deficiency. Lastly, there's the fact that Vitamin D interacts with exactly how the virus infects cells (and replicates) along with the fact that Vitamin D greatly affects the cytokine storms, which cause a great deal of damage to the body.
You have like 45+ states where you haven't had any major spikes since the initial spike. It's pretty easy to stop hotspots from popping up by just be not being stupid. Also, you haven't seen surges in deaths and hospilizations in places that have had "second waves" like you did initially. As long as you don't overwhelm healthcare, you're doing fine.
There's several studies showing that 80-90% of deaths occurred in groups with Vitamin D deficiency. And, as I just stated above Vitamin D plays a key role in not only how the virus infects cells but also the main damage dealer (cytokine storms). It isn't merely just correlation implying causation, there's a slew of reasons explaining the correlation. And the 1st Vitamin D trial resulted in the people that got treated with Vitamin D with only 2% going to ICU and 0 deaths while the group that didn't get Vitamin D, 50% went to the ICU and 2 deaths. Also, 2/3s of the people in the study got Vitamin D and in the 1/3 that didn't get Vitamin D, they had 13 times more people go to the ICU than the Vitamin D group and the pool was half the size.
"There's so much evidence now for Vitamin D" - Dr. John Campbell
Please stop telling me I'm misunderstanding and misrepresenting the articles when you've misunderstood several things in this very thread. Remember you posted things about the how there's 30+ strains of the virus scaring people into thinking the virus is mutating so fast there may not be a viable vaccine. There's at most 2 strains (which is debatable as well) and the virus mutates very slowly because it has error-checking mechanism in its replication process. Also, because I was looking for my posts about Vitamin D earlier in this thread, I came across you saying that Covid-19 is nothing like SARS in a response to me citing infomation about vaccines from a Dr. Peter Hotez and a SARS vaccine being able to work against Covid-19. Well, guess what, people that had SARS 17 years ago are immune to Covid-19 and a SARS vaccine would have probably worked if we had one. I know how to read into and extrapolate pertinent data, please stop claiming that I do not when what I said months ago is more on point than what you said. Just because one person doesn't have a degree in a field does not preclude them from researching the shit out of something and understanding it as well or better than someone with a degree in the field. My uncle has done things his heart specialist said wasn't possible because his job entails reading loads and loads of medical articles and can explain to someone off the top of his head exactly the difference of say how your body breaks down sugar and HFCS on a molecular level. You don't need a degree to be knowledgeable on something.
Here's one of the many studies you can find on Vitamin D involvement in death rates. Here's Dr. Rhonda Patrick talking about Vitamin D and the studies way back in May. And, of course, the Vitamin D most recent trial with numbers that are, again, just staggering. Not to mention every single group that's been adversely affected by Covid-19 (whether it's Somalis in Sweden, old people in Spain/Italy, African Americans in the US) are groups that have known Vitamin D deficiencies.
My mother had it. She died from it.
My Grandmother had it. She died from it.
I had it. Late May of this year. My smell and taste are just getting back to normal.
Do you not understand how in the scientific world, one trial is not enough?
You have multiple people in this thread with degrees in relevant fields telling you it's not that simple. By continuing to insist that you know better than them, you're only demonstrating the Dunning-Krueger principle. It's not a good look to tell others not to be stupid when you're willfully ignoring people more qualified to talk than you are.
Even if this was true, we've seen how "not being stupid" is far too high a bar to clear for a great many people.
Ediited - I belatedly noticed that part of the reply wasn't to me, oops.
The issue I have is not that someone can't learn stuff, it's about the ability to fit it into a wider context and have a good grasp of the limitations of a lot of scientific knowledge.
The typical problem - such as with the hype over hydroxychloroquine - is they see evidence (often pushed by interested parties) and they latch onto it, without necessarily realising that the studies are flawed, limited, or without also seeing a lot of contrary information. Somone sees a study where hydroxychloroquine gets zinc into cells. Okay. But how much zinc, and is it enough? Where is the zinc in the cell? Is one study sufficiently reliable? Are the authors, journal and institution reputable? Is their methodology sound? Are their stats well done? What does everyone else say? And so on. All that stuff is a huge, huge, part of scientific analysis.
What makes her an authority?
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Oh wow. So the statistics are because people took this too seriously, not because they acted like it's not that big a deal??
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If you REALLY think you are so right, and everyone else is wrong, why not send Dr. Fauci your discovery since you think we are all just unaware of these amazing discoveries and just refusing to use them to save lives. Tell him how wrong he is about the SARS vaccine not being effective for COVID-19 and he just needs to give everyone vitamin D instead and they will be fine. Now, just understand before you do, it is not my fault if they put you on a watch list or have someone show up to your door wanting to do a competency test for insisting this is the real solution here.
SO we tell you that you are misunderstanding and misrepresenting the data and then you go and misunderstand and misrepresent the data AND what I and other forum members post as well. Tell ya what, go to medical school, get your degree in immunology, virology, epidemiology and come back here and re read your posts and you will FINALLY understand WHY everyone told you this. You misunderstanding what I mean by 30 strains, because we actually do have many more than that now, as this is how we, in the field actually refer to the different strains, the person telling you that there are only a few strains, is saying that even though there are many strains, there are only with enough significance to actually matter. Those researching this however, still refer to these many strains as strains. You not understanding the difference does not mean that it is incorrect, you just do not understand what is being referred to here. That is what happens when you attempt to think you know better than those who actually understand the subject matter being discussed. In addition, SARS and COVID-19 are not the same and do different things, Them BOTH being coronavirus does not make all coronavirus the same. AGAIN you are misunderstanding what I stated and misrepresenting it. CONTEXT is everything and you constantly take things from one context and put them in another and that is why you are wrong on every level here.
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Where in any of these studies is it even addressing that Hypoxia induced by the infection in their lungs that prevents the alveoli from properly distributing oxygen to your cells increasing the alkalosis and system pH. The alkalotic pH then suppresses the normal renal release of phosphate then interferes with production of vitamin D? It can be the lack of oxygen that induces the vitamin D deficiency, not that they necessarily had one before becoming ill. It was a result of, not the cause of.
We have even seen this in pediatric patients who hyperventilated in class. Their vitamin D levels returned to normal once we restored normal levels of oxygen.
In addition, patients in the hospital in ICU are already receiving Vitamin D supplements via their IV, along with the other daily nutritional requirements. Those same patients that died, that are being mentioned above, also received vitamin D via their IV as well. We expect them to show deficiency in Vitamin D when you are discussing patients that had reduced levels of oxygen. The reason this isn't some " major break through" and having physicians in ICU across the world jumping for joy here is they are only telling us something we already knew occurs in patients deprived of oxygen and that increasing those patients vitamin D levels does not change what is happening to their alveoli function so that the patient can actually receive more oxygen to their cells. This is why ECMO is needed so that their body can even receive the oxygen it needs to fight off the infection in the first place. Their vitamin D levels return to normal once the ECMO improves their oxygen levels to what is needed to survive. In the case with Vitamin D and hypoxia, is we need Vitamin D to both prevent Hypoxia while at the same time a vitamin D deficiency can result because of the hypoxia. This is why just having a patient showing a vitamin D deficiency AFTER suffering from hypoxia does not mean that the vitamin D deficiency existed PRIOR to the hypoxia, it is also a result of Hypoxia in the first place. When treated, patients normally do not show a vitamin D deficiency at all once their oxygen levels return to normal. Researchers who have not actually worked with patients to understand this may overlook the fact that this is not uncommon and something we actually see that happens frequently in the field. Oh yea.. DUH... guess they forgot about that. This is why peer review is important.
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Hi.
I live somewhere where we "overreacted".
We've had 9 deaths in total. We have 4 cases, quarantined, at this date. That's it.
Guess we could have avoided all that death, if we didn't freak out.
I live somewhere where we "overreacted".
We've had 9 deaths in total. We have 4 cases, quarantined, at this date. That's it.
Guess we could have avoided all that death, if we didn't freak out.
The statistics are complicated. 40-90% of positives in the US aren't meaningfully positive, we report anyone who died with one of those positive tests in our covid data, you can see where it might get messed up.
Sincerest condolences
I was never hyping hydroxy, although it has shown to have effectiveness. One of the studies I found about concerning zinc was how it did work with the original SARS (and this new one is very similar in certain regards). Also, this video just popped up on my Youtube feed and this doctor is literally talking about quercitin and zinc that I mentioned months ago. I just don't parrot what someone says without following the logic at least a bit and/or checking other opinions on the same matter. For example, I wasn't all over the Dr. Zelenko hydroxy cocktail that claimed 100% success because I did the research and the village he works in has something like, IIRC, less than 2% of the population over 65. He could've gave everyone cheerios and probably had the same results.
She was citing the Vitamin D stats regarding the percentage of deaths that had low Vitamin D. She's an authority of Vitamin D and what it does, but I posted it mainly because of her talking about the death rates with low Vitamin D.
Here you go, the SARS-COV-1 granting SARS-COV-2 immunity starts @12:40.
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I question the wisdom of attempting an education in biology via YouTube.
Except for the fact that's exactly what you're doing. You're listening to the people telling you what you want to hear and blowing off the people telling you different.
Not my fault that I don't know the "shop talk" terms for various medical terms. Many medical professionals have said there's at most 2 strains of the virus. Why would you post something about the virus having 30+ strains to a forum of people that don't know what terms like that mean? What was the point of posting that when the virus has actually a very low rate of mutation? The only purpose I could see of posting that would be to scare people then.
I posted from a doctor that develops vaccines for a living that a SARS vaccine would work against Covid-19. I'm not concerned with the ins and out of how each virus may be different but in the similarity that would allow for the same vaccine to work on both of them. I didn't at all say they're both coronaviruses, they're the same. How am I misunderstanding that? And, guess what, the Dr. Peter Hotez was almost certainly right because if you had SARS, you're immune to Covid-19.
AGAIN, because you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. The groups most adversely affected by the virus are groups known to ALREADY have vitamin D deficiencies. Here's a vitamin D study on Somali women in Sweden in 2016, they were deficient before they got the virus obviously. They didn't just get vitamin D deficiency due to Covid-19 complications. And, early on in Stockholm Sweden, 40% of Covid-19 deaths were from Somalis when they only make up 1% of the population. So, in your expert opinion, what do you think has greater chance of being true, they were already deficient or the lack of oxygen induced it?
The people I'm listening to are experts in their field and/or discussing studies from other experts. If I just want to hear about say a cure or treatment, why didn't I post about that Dr. Zelenko cocktail? I didn't because it didn't make much sense and more studies said otherwise and very few studies or doctors backed it up. It's just like how Dr. Hotez said a SARS vaccine would work and low and behold people that had SARS are immune to Covid-19. He's an expert that develops vaccines for a living, why wouldn't I listen to him? Why would I want to here that a SARS vaccine that we don't have and a disease that I didn't have would provide immunity to Covid-19?
You want to hear this shit because it's better than the alternative: that treatment is still in development, a vaccine is still like a year away on the optimistic side, and there's probably no cure as a doctor would define it and you just have to outlive the infection. Those thoughts certainly scare me. And I would hope most others would understand why. Some of the outlier studies may turn out to be right, but the odds of that being so are not great. Science relies on a consensus derived from multiple data points. And I mean like ALLLLLL the data points. One of your videos, posted by a medical professional on their assessment of the virus and how it differs from the current community's consensus is still a single data point. And if they base their assessment on a single study, that one study is still a single data point.
This is not to say you can't tell bullshit when you see it. Rather, your argument leaps to conclusions in defiance of the current consensus. And compared to the data that formed the consensus, your evidence is looking a little unconvincing in comparison. I never became a biologist because I'm just another hirsute lug with a limited attention span. I do not have the temperament needed for lab or field work by any stretch. That said, I find it helpful to try to pick up enough about it as I go so that I can recognize just how much I still don't know. Like I said before, nobody is immune to Dunning-Krueger because you don't know what you don't know. But if you regularly remind yourself there's stuff you don't know, it's easier to keep perspective.
Said it before, say it again: It's not enough to wear the mantle of Galileo. You have to be right.