Biden clenches the nomination.
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From what I read, the people who " back her up" are all telling us different stories, and not about rape. She has changed her story numerous times, I already supplied links in the thread that went into that in more detail. if you read what I posted above, I am not ignoring her at all, I am looking at what she has actually said here, so which version of her story do we believe when it keeps changing? I believe something happened, but I think her earlier versions of the story were probably far more accurate. Why would she be praising him online as of 2017 if he had raped her? Why would she praise him for his work to help sexual assault victims? Why did she publicly support his VP run? None of that makes any sense. It is not a matter of " revealing more progressively" it is a matter of changing the story each time she tells it. According to AP, they didn't go with the story the first time because she contradicted herself too many times, so they didn't find it credible. That is the same thing we keep hearing from the different sources, so which version is the actual truth here? It is far more likely the report will shed light on what really happened. No one made her file the report, it is far more likely that is what actually happened. When we keep hearing " Reade “did not mention the alleged assault or suggest there was more to the story.” , what version of her story is the truth here? Her making complaints to people about being asked to serve drinks, having nice legs, his weird smelling hair fetish that we have all witnessed is a far cry from actually raping her.Like Christine Blasey Ford, she is indeed not a perfect victim.
But that doesn't mean she's wrong.
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Revealing progressively more publicly is not dishonest. She has multiple people who will back her up as telling them about the rape all the way back in 1993.
I had far worse done to me while bartending in college and while It was irritating and made me extremely uncomfortable, even really pissed me off at times, it was no where near as terrifying as actually being raped however. If I had a night where I didn't have my ass grabbed a dozen or more times while bartending, it was an easy night. Rape is not even remotely comparable. I would never vote for my rapist after that. I would never praise him online about his work to help sexual assault victims.. I mean seriously. How does that make sense?
"During one of the April 2019 interviews with the AP, Reade said Biden rubbed her shoulders and neck and played with her hair. She said she was asked by an aide in Biden’s Senate office to dress more conservatively and told: “Don’t be so sexy.”
She said of Biden: “I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.”
How does the story go from that to "he raped me"? That is not progressively, painfully getting out the details, it is changing the story all together.
Tara Reade says she didn't explicitly accuse Biden of assault in Senate report
Reade, who alleges Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, has said she was ‘too scared to write about the sexual assault’
www.theguardian.com
While yes, I do think we should take all allegations seriously, we also have to look at what they are actually saying happened each time they change the story. If no one wanted the story because Biden smelling hair and being his generally creepy self is old news, changing it all together to make a headline doesn't make it appear to be more credible.
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Technically they can be impeached, although it has only happened once and he was not removed. While I understand your points I still think I have to disagree, even with the stupid situation we see ourselves in now, because I think that we need at least once branch of government that has a separation from the passion of the people. I mean I don't think it would be that hard to get a ground swell of support and try and remove a justice for any unpopular decision. Like, I have a feeling if we had retention elections after Roe V Wade was established, we would have suddenly had to find different justices. It might help limit some of the worst supreme court decisions (I'm looking at you Dred Scott V Sandford) but it also might not.
I am seeing that the separation that existed was dissolved the moment congress decided they would refuse to consider any of Obama's appointments in his term. It isn't like this will suddenly go back to the way it was now, they have set a new precedent. Since we no longer have that separation, we need to address and treat it accordingly. What keeps them from blocking more judges next time? They got what they wanted. They know it works to stack the bench and are rewarded for it so will keep doing it now they know it works well for them. Why stop?
Hell stacking the bench may be the only thing that keeps McConnell in office. As long as he does it, they will keep voting for him, so he can't afford to stop or he could lose his seat.
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Christine Blasey Ford didn't tell people of her attacker: “I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.” ,
She didn't tell people that he didn't assault her and then turn around and tell them he did when no one wanted the story.
There is no such thing as " the perfect victim". It either happened or it didn't. Which " her side of the story" actually happened here? It is not possible for every version she has told thus far to be accurate. She reached out to the media to tell her story, it isn't like she was pressured or forced to do so reluctantly.
EDIT: Now don't get me wrong, the thought of Biden touching my neck, shoulder's, back and smelling my hair makes me want to vomit. I can understand being totally pissed about that. It is so many levels of unappropriate, I likely would have reacted violently. I just want to make sure I am understanding exactly what happened here because I am hearing her say completely different things.
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I assume Joe did it. From what I've heard and know of him, sounds extremely likely. The issue is, what do you do about it?
If in November you have him and Trump from which to choose (3rd party votes considered throw aways) and Joe has a female running mate that would likely be the 1st woman POTUS as Joe will be either dead or incapacitated needing replacement, and Joe is promising Feminists judges in our courts and more spending on leftist women's issues, and that is what you want, don't you just vote for him anyway?
If he came out and said, "yeah, I'm a pretty rapey kinda guy but I'll push women's issues" don't you just back him anyway?
Some are saying Joe is the end of #MeToo credibility. I get where they are coming from and think it would be better to just say, for those that want this, that the movement matters more than the individual.
Getting rid of trump doesn't fix things. It's not like we vote him out, and institutional racism and homophobia are solved. It's not even a band-aid, since biden fixes nothing.
Biden may as well be from a different party then bernie. If your upset that people are being made to suffer, you should be angry at the right wing, corporatist democrats.
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I don't disagree, but I'm still hesitant to really jump on the train for that kinda thing.
This is literally why people are most likely not going to vote in this election again.
Biden never moved me. And the Hypocrisy some people feel for the Left not jumping on Joe Biden as the Left jumped on anyone else with a hint of these allegations is palpable.
Meanwhile, the incredible hypocrisy of the Republicans who will go up and down the hill screaming "BASELESS ALLEGATIONS" and "LEFTIST PLOT" when it's levied to one of their own, but trying to make the whole conversation about Ms. Reade's assertion is staggering. Hell, the amount of smoke screens and subterfuge the Right tries to go about when another one of their numbers gets in trouble versus how lengthy they want every trial for a democrat goes through erases their creditability in quite a few eyes.
I don't want sexual predators as leaders. That includes Trump. But more over, I do not want a system of government that increasingly becomes ok with treatment of their citizens as lessers. That includes women, LGBTQ+, Minorities, whites, atheists, and theists.
I'm too old for political theater. I live near a district that will most likely destroy the school system and most likely destroy a city forever. There are real issues at stake here. And the fact that we've gotten to the point that I even have to question what a woman's motives are to bring this up now is just a sign of the political times. And I'm sick of all of them.
And now, while we brace for Kavanaugh-Ford round two, I have to wait for my friend to tell me after these latest talks between the city and the school system if she is now out of a job with no idea on how she'll find work in the future.
Biden never moved me. And the Hypocrisy some people feel for the Left not jumping on Joe Biden as the Left jumped on anyone else with a hint of these allegations is palpable.
Meanwhile, the incredible hypocrisy of the Republicans who will go up and down the hill screaming "BASELESS ALLEGATIONS" and "LEFTIST PLOT" when it's levied to one of their own, but trying to make the whole conversation about Ms. Reade's assertion is staggering. Hell, the amount of smoke screens and subterfuge the Right tries to go about when another one of their numbers gets in trouble versus how lengthy they want every trial for a democrat goes through erases their creditability in quite a few eyes.
I don't want sexual predators as leaders. That includes Trump. But more over, I do not want a system of government that increasingly becomes ok with treatment of their citizens as lessers. That includes women, LGBTQ+, Minorities, whites, atheists, and theists.
I'm too old for political theater. I live near a district that will most likely destroy the school system and most likely destroy a city forever. There are real issues at stake here. And the fact that we've gotten to the point that I even have to question what a woman's motives are to bring this up now is just a sign of the political times. And I'm sick of all of them.
And now, while we brace for Kavanaugh-Ford round two, I have to wait for my friend to tell me after these latest talks between the city and the school system if she is now out of a job with no idea on how she'll find work in the future.
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Well, very few things in life are instantaneous. If you get cut, it will take well over a few days before it is even healed at the forming new skin level. Let alone it getting to the same level of skin as everything else.
The removal of Trump, who actively votes and pushes measures to erode measures set into place to help and or protect the more vulernable in this nation, would go a long way to allowing the healing process to happen... instead of his efforts to just pour salt on wounds and pick at it until it becomes larger.
What did he do exactly? According to Tara Reade, and the 8 women who all spoke up, he smelled their hair, touched her neck, and behaved generally like a dirty old man, but didn't rape any of them. Tara Reade's original story was he was creepy but “I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.” , it wasn't until no one cared about that happening did she just recently change her story to the opposite of what she said earlier. She would be the only one doing so. Trump has a court record of violently raping women, and a long paper trail of much worse than Biden's creepy old man BS happening. There is a difference here.
Hands down there is no comparison, I will take LOTR Golem Biden over Trump the Xenomorph any day, as I said before my bottom line is I am not willing to let the people depending on the medicine and treatment they are receiving under the ACA die because I don't like either of the creeps they are running, under trump we are guaranteed more people will die if he is able to implement his plans. Not only will the people who depend on the ACA now survive, under's Biden's medicare and medicaid expansion, we will be able to save more. My bottom line is always about the number of lives saved. People are not disposable as far as I am concerned. How anyone can vote for a man who pat's himself on the back and talks about what a good job he is doing while we have more Americans dying in a month than we did in the 10 years of Vietnam war because he thinks he knows better than the scientists due to his " genius" brain telling him that first responders are stealing PPE and this is really a hoax and if they just injected themselves with disinfectant and flashlights this would all be over. Even in the horror movies where everything goes wrong during a pandemic, no one ever predicted having a president THIS incompetent in charge at the time.
I would write, if Biden stuck his fingers in Tara's Veejay, he is a rapist. But if he is a rapist that would save lives (I think he would unleash oceans of bloodshed and crushing poverty, but that is me) you still need to back him.
So why did she say that didn't happen when she asked for numerous interviews prior to this and had no mention of that when she filed her report? Why did she publicly commend Biden of his work to help fight against sexual assault on women in 2017? Why did she vote for him? How do you know Biden did any of those things when Tara doesn't seem to know either? According to all of her earlier recorded reports he didn't do anything like that, she literally stated she wasn't worried about him doing anything like that in prior interviews.
If he was a rapist, he should be jail. So should Trump. But everything I see right now is showing that didn't happen, according to what Tara herself, has actually said.
As it is, we have proof that Tara has lied. As her story continues to change, it makes her look less credible every time she changes it,
So lets compare these two side by side. Trump has actual court records of him violently attacking and raping a woman and you voted for him.
Biden has a woman who publicly commended him for his work to help end sexual assault on women, told everyone he speaks the truth, voted for him, and contact multiple media outlets who recorded her saying that she wasn't worried about Biden doing anything like that then changed her story after having her story rejected because she contradicted herself and that is somehow " just as bad" or even worse? Yea..
I believe Tara, I believe what she said the first time about Biden smelling her hair and being a creep, not this new story about her claiming she lied the first time for no apparent reason. No one forced her to contact news outlets and have them hear her story, the news stories seeing a non story is not a reason to then make the story better so people will want it. It is either truth or not, but it isn't even possible for all her stories to be truth at this point because they contradict each other.
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No apparent reason? Biden was a powerful US Pol, not some pimple faced jock minor at a party. She had reason to lie to support him for reasons I am stating. She was, politically, on his side, rapist or not. I'm hearing that she has timely corroborative witnesses. That it is her mom that called Larry King in 1993 about unspecified abusive behavior. Biden's recent very poor showing with Mika. (Mika calls this assault. Sorry, but non-consensual penetration with fingers is rape).
I think he'd still carry water for the Feminist left. And they'll support him.
As always when talking about ACA, i don't consider it a good policy, in fact I consider it a failed policy. In the face of ballooning healthcare costs, the ACA had actually 0 effect either on healthcare costs or on the number of people going bankrupt because of out of control healthcare costs. Additionally, for the doom saying about Trump cutting Medicare and Medicaid, neither program's spending has decreased during his administration. In fact it's increased. As far as I can tell, ACA and the dismantling of ACA has 0 impact on the country statistically.
As for the judges, Biden put 2 or 3 of our conservative judges on there himself either directly or indirectly, so I don't see voting for him as protection against conservative judges. He agrees with conservatives politically and supports them through his action.
Any talks about where Biden stands now ends with "He's a serial liar, working for a group of serial liars, and I have no reason to believe he'll follow through on any progressive policy because that's not what the DNC does."
...and how much of their platform did they manage to enact with 2 years of control of both houses of Congress and the President? It's weird that Obama didn't get that much done (aside from passing what literally started as a Republican healthcare plan and then compromised further right) despite having a majority in both houses. Weird that there was so much emphasis on a need to compromise with Republicans when Dems controlled both houses.
Why think it will be different this time? I don't expect sweeping progressive reforms under president Biden, even with a Dem majority Congress. I expect milquetoast neoliberalism from Biden's administration and not much more from his Congress.
Or alternatively, the Dems need to find a way to sell themselves in some mixture of the Midwest, the South, and Appalachia. Dems have trouble being attractive in rural areas, except Sanders. He seemed to have no trouble drawing crowds and applause in places that were otherwise solidly Trump country.
I think it's telling that the only federal body whose election is directly effected by gerrymandering (aka the House) looks the way it does. If the REDMAP gerrymandering were as powerful as claimed, Dems wouldn't have taken the House. You know *why* Dems took the House? Because REDMAP assumed "typical" turnout numbers, and Republicans turnout and vote in consistent predictable numbers pretty much regardless, while Dems don't - "typical" turnout for Dems is much much lower than the share of the population who would vote Dem if they bothered to vote - getting them to actually go out and vote is the hard part.
If we assume that Dems are going to support something like M4A (hint: a lot of them won't because they're much further right than they like to pretend), then Dems already have the House vote if they don't lose it this year. The Senate vote would require them to win back ~4 seats from the GOP, out of 25 GOP Senate seats up for grabs.
But merely having a majority of both houses of Congress mysteriously isn't enough for Dems to pass their agenda, while for the GOP it seems like they can do basically whatever they want in that case.
Just going to point out again how hypocritical I find the folks who will question and scrutinize the Reade accusation against Biden who acted like the Ford accusation against Kavanaugh was definitely, unquestioningly true. Is it #BelieveWomen or is it #BelieveWomenWhoHarmRepublicans?
Would it have been better if Reade had supplied almost no details that could be corroborated, and the few that could potentially be were not? That would put her more in line with Ford.
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That's totally not true.
The ACA allowed over 16 million people to obtain health insurance.
It prevented insurance companies from denying people with pre-existing conditions
Even though premiums went it, it sounds like they didn't go up as much as they had in years prior.
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Weren't there like also 4 other woman with charges against Kavanaugh? As far as I can tell, no one else has come up with anything against Biden.
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