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Whistleblowing Nurse: ICE may be doing an ethnic cleansing via sterilization
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So, this dropped on my news feed today:
www.nytimes.com
That facility is owned and operated by the same for-profit corporation (LaSalle) that runs and administrates the ICE-contracted facility that allegedly performed the hysterectomies.
For-Profit Jail Is Accused of Abuse After Death of Woman With H.I.V. (Published 2020)
Holly Barlow-Austin was kept in “deplorable and inhumane conditions,” deprived of water and denied medications, according to a lawsuit filed this week in federal court.
That facility is owned and operated by the same for-profit corporation (LaSalle) that runs and administrates the ICE-contracted facility that allegedly performed the hysterectomies.
I gotta say, if there's a reasonable explanation for this situation that will exonerate ICE, the doctor and the hospital and totally refute the whistleblower's allegations, it sure seems to be getting farther and farther away with each new development.
apnews.com
www.thedailybeast.com
More migrant women say they didn’t OK surgery in detention
HOUSTON (AP) — Sitting across from her lawyer at an immigration detention center in rural Georgia, Mileidy Cardentey Fernandez unbuttoned her jail jumpsuit to show the scars on her abdomen.
apnews.com
ICE Hysterectomy Doctor Wasn’t Even a Board-Certified OB-GYN
Dr. Mahendra Amin has been accused of performing unnecessary uterus removals on detained immigrants.
www.thedailybeast.com
" The AP’s review did not find evidence of mass hysterectomies as alleged in a widely shared complaint filed by a nurse at the detention center. Dawn Wooten alleged that many detained women were taken to an unnamed gynecologist whom she labeled the “uterus collector” because of how many hysterectomies he performed."I gotta say, if there's a reasonable explanation for this situation that will exonerate ICE, the doctor and the hospital and totally refute the whistleblower's allegations, it sure seems to be getting farther and farther away with each new development.
More migrant women say they didn’t OK surgery in detention
HOUSTON (AP) — Sitting across from her lawyer at an immigration detention center in rural Georgia, Mileidy Cardentey Fernandez unbuttoned her jail jumpsuit to show the scars on her abdomen.
ICE Hysterectomy Doctor Wasn’t Even a Board-Certified OB-GYN
Dr. Mahendra Amin has been accused of performing unnecessary uterus removals on detained immigrants.
" But a lawyer who helped file the complaint said she never spoke to any women who had hysterectomies. Priyanka Bhatt, staff attorney at the advocacy group Project South, told The Washington Post that she included the hysterectomy allegations because she wanted to trigger an investigation to determine if they were true. "
Did you read beyond the titles?
USA
It also shows the Doctor was not even a licensed OBGYN in the first place.
"Evidence" did they find the women who they transferred out? You will have to do actual tests on women to know if the data in their charts actually belong to that patient. There are allegations of falsifying their chart information with imaging results that did not actually belong to the woman in question. Not finding the evidence when the press comes to look for it does not mean it doesn't exist, it means they likely made sure they wouldn't. That really isn't that hard to do. Transfer the patients before they show up and move their files to storage/ eliminate them. Files go to storage all the time, so sending those would not appear out of the norm regardless.
You are going to have to have an actual investigation with warrants to search and find out where the patients were transferred to. YOU are not going to find this by sending some press in, you are going to have to look a hell of a lot further than that.
I sure did.
Did you?
" The 39-year-old woman from Cuba was told only that she would undergo an operation to treat her ovarian cysts, but a month later, she’s still not sure what procedure she got. After Cardentey repeatedly requested her medical records to find out, Irwin County Detention Center gave her more than 100 pages showing a diagnosis of cysts but nothing from the day of the surgery. “The only thing they told me was: ‘You’re going to go to sleep and when you wake up, we will have finished,’” Cardentey said this week in a phone interview. "
"An Associated Press review of medical records for four women and interviews with lawyers revealed growing allegations that Amin performed surgeries and other procedures on detained immigrants that they never sought or didn’t fully understand. Although some procedures could be justified based on problems documented in the records, the women’s lack of consent or knowledge raises severe legal and ethical issues, lawyers and medical experts said."
"The AP also reviewed records for a woman who was given a hysterectomy. She reported irregular bleeding and was taken to see Amin for a D&C. A lab study of the tissue found signs of early cancer, called carcinoma. Amin’s notes indicate the woman agreed 11 days later to the hysterectomy. Free, who spoke to the woman, said she felt pressured by Amin and “didn’t have the opportunity to say no” or speak to her family before the procedure."
That isn't accurate. It says he wasn't board certified. Which apparently is true for OBGYNs more often than other medical specialties.
Age, race, debt linked to docs’ board certification | The Source | Washington University in St. Louis
New research shows that the likelihood of a medical school graduate becoming board certified is linked to age at graduation, race and ethnicity, and level of debt. The study, by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, was published this month in the Journal of the...
source.wustl.edu
I agree, which is fine because I am not the one who linked those articles and tried to make arguments from them. I saw those before they were posted here and decided not to actively try and use them for an argument. I don't find them compelling enough to really change the status quo here. Funny thing is, someone else seems convinced that an article quote claiming a woman who had a hysterectomy after a cancer diagnosis that she agreed to after 11 days of deliberation is evidence of wrongdoing because she felt pressured to have the procedure.
When a procedure is the correct course of action, doctor's do pressure you to do it.
What sort of backwards BS is that? Yea, I was not even aware that you could practice without being board certified in some states as Texas requires it to be able to obtain your license:That isn't accurate. It says he wasn't board certified. Which apparently is true for OBGYNs more often than other medical specialties.
.Age, race, debt linked to docs’ board certification | The Source | Washington University in St. Louis
New research shows that the likelihood of a medical school graduate becoming board certified is linked to age at graduation, race and ethnicity, and level of debt. The study, by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, was published this month in the Journal of the...
I agree, which is fine because I am not the one who linked those articles and tried to make arguments from them. I saw those before they were posted here and decided not to actively try and use them for an argument. I don't find them compelling enough to really change the status quo here. Funny thing is, someone else seems convinced that an article quote claiming a woman who had a hysterectomy after a cancer diagnosis that she agreed to after 11 days of deliberation is evidence of wrongdoing because she felt pressured to have the procedure.
When a procedure is the correct course of action, doctor's do pressure you to do it.
"Medical licensure in the state of Texas is governed by the Texas Medical Board. Individuals eligible for licensure must successfully complete an accredited graduate medical degree program, obtain board certification, and have not restrictions on their license and prescribing Authority.
To maintain an active medical license, the Texas Medical Board (TMB) requires a physician to renew their license every two years. To be eligible for license renewal, a physician must complete 48 hours of continuing medical education (CME) every twenty-four months, including two hours of ethics CME. "
Texas Medical License Requirements and Application Process
www.texmed.org
How can you even obtain a license to perform surgery without board certification? That does not make any sense, as you SHOULD be restricted. I can't imagine any facility even giving you rights without it. This sounds like some serious Hillbilly BS if true. Like remember to remind everyone you know not to have medical procedures done in Georgia?
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Let's call it what it is. Republicans aren't hypocrites, we are all hypocrites., we all say things that we don't apply to our selves. They are racists of the worst form. I doubt they would do this to white women, and yet they are perfectly fine with doing it to people of color over race war, and eugenics beliefs that the Nazis had.
Yeah, even at best it seems rather unacceptable that they're lacking certain medical documents, and if they failed to clearly explain to her what the procedure was and what was being done, again, that is an issue. One can argue that she needed an operation, and it sounds like she probably needed something, but there's a correct procedure to that and we have to be sure the extent of it was what she agreed on. Of course looping back to an issue of if she understood clearly.
As an issue of national concern, this sounds like fake news.
But the whole issue can be avoided if people do not violate US law. There are legal ways to enter the US that do not involve any of the problems reviewed in this thread.
But the whole issue can be avoided if people do not violate US law. There are legal ways to enter the US that do not involve any of the problems reviewed in this thread.
Wait...are you actually advocating the stance of "well if women just didn't try and illegally enter our country (which might not always be the case), then they wouldn't be at risk of having their reproductive organs removed against their will?" As if that's justification for such a violation of human rights?
I mean, seriously is that what you are trying to say? Because that's what it sounds like you are trying to say. And that's just seriously fucked up. To suggest that it's ok to ignore human rights violations, because hey they tried to sneak into our country, so it's all good. That's just barbaric.
I'm writing two things:
1) Is there a national concern with women being systematically sterilized in accordance with US policy? I doubt it. This thread appears to be about a few anecdotes.
2) We also hear of kids getting separated from parents and other aggravations that occur when someone is found to be violating US law. For that sort of thing, I'm advising, stop breaking our laws.
Yeah, it sounds about on par with "You wouldn't have to worry about police brutality if you didn't break the law!"
Like seriously, that's the most concerning sort of dismissiveness when it comes to human rights issues
Who exactly are you advising? Is there a reason we cannot like actually deal with abuses on the end of the ones in charge? Are they immune from criticism? That sounds like a deflection on their behalf so they can continue to abuse people.
Is there a .....? YES there is a national concern!! We have a government agency systematically STERILIZING other human beings against their will without their consent or knowledge!! The type of society that would approve and endorse that is a FUCKED UP SOCIETY! Anyone living in that society should be concerned it's happening at all! Because the kind of people that can so easily "Other" humans like that, could just as easily be convinced to "Other" people who are citizens, but hey they aren't the right citizens, so it's ok if we treat them like animals! I mean fuck I've seen people wearing shirts declaring anyone who is a liberal or democrat as not actually an American! And THIS is how they treat non-americans! so yeah! that's a big fucking concern!
So you apparently believe in 2 wrongs make a right then. Got it, fucked up mentality, thank you for illustrating that for us.
Again, Is there a national concern with women being systematically sterilized in accordance with US policy? I doubt it. This thread appears to be about a few anecdotes. Do you think it policy or anecdotes or other Let's say I am right and it is anecdotes. Then treat them accordingly (ie did a particular doctor commit malpractice: this should be his individual problem).
Not abetting and activily fighting child abuse, sex trafficking, using babies like human shields is NOT a wrong.
I"ve not heard this story outside of this thread. You write that sterilization is policy. I will review further but I seriously doubt it.
What's happening is he's casually dismissing it as being systemic and claiming it's a few anecdotes. While not surprising, the divide here is that you think it's systemic he claims otherwise.
Arguing with the person who thinks US government agencies forcibly sterilising people isn't a big deal doesn't seem like a productive use of time.