Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

[Agema]

I'm a Trump supporter and am not jazzed here. Trump need not have been so rude. He should have been much more laid back, let Biden be Biden, and then calmly and confidently respond. Instead he bullied and interrupted. Very unnecessary.

Yes, but he's not going to lose anything over it. He's spent four years acting like that: anyone who could be alienated already has been. If it doesn't cost him, why should he stop?

I think this is partly Trump's personality, and that he doesn't have the right temperament for formal debate, it's a style that just doesn't suit him. He's a narcissistic showman who operates on instinct, not a thinker, planner and orator. I don't think he knows enough detail, he doesn't concentrate or care enough to prepare properly, and he has too strong a desire to belittle and dominate to allow a patient back-and-forth on the issues. As examples, some of his recent performances (the Town Hall and that Axios interview) more along these lines he did not come out of well at all.

But he knows he can disrupt the process and turn it into chaos so that Biden can't win, either. Trump's potential "win" here was to shake Biden into losing his cool - and he failed. Thus the only real losers were the debate format itself, the hapless host, and the USA generally for how it this unedifying spectacle presented its politics to a global audience.

It will be interesting to see if Trump changes tack for the next debate. Being so far behind in the polls, he can't settle for a "no result" like this one. If he can't break Biden's composure, he will need to come at him with the issues. I am not sure whether he'll manage it. Trump clearly can keep on-script: he has done it before, but he seems to lose his vim, become staid and mechanical, because it's not his natural mode. There's a sense he wants to break out and tubthump to a crowd, and I suspect in future debates when the contest flows, and especially if he feels he's not winning, there's a strong likelihood he'll degenerate it towards chaos again.

 

[gorfias]

Gorf, shut up.

No, you shut up. Their website would not look as it does were the label not a smear.

Proud Boys

I AM A PROUD WESTERN CHAUVINIST WHO REFUSES TO APOLOGIZE FOR CREATING THE MODERN WORLD Follow us and join us Https://ProudBoysUSA.com https://parler.com/profile/theproudboys https://gab.ai/TheProudBoysUSA https://www.minds.com/proudboysusa

proudboysusa.com

 

[Agema]

Biden refused to even acknowledge that ANTIFA is a movement, let alone condemn them.

EDIT: When asked to condemn white supremacy, at 35 seconds, Trump says, "sure". I fault him for not being more emphatic but I think his failure comes down to two things: 1) He was trying too hard to point out his perception that the Left is much more responsible for the violence the US has been experiencing for 1/2 a year and 2) That the multi racial Proud Boys are being smeared with the supremacy label.

It was, as far as I can see, quite reasonably pointed out that the FBI itself does not regard Antifa as an "organisation", and that right-wing (often white supremacist) organisations are both statistically and duly by law agency opinion regarded as the biggest terrorist threats in the USA.

The Proud Boys might not be explicitly white supremacist by stated remit, but those who have looked into them - opinions of members, association with other groups - have revealed no shortage of white supremacism amongst their membership.

 

[Revnak]

No, you shut up. Their website would not look as it does were the label not a smear.

Proud Boys

I AM A PROUD WESTERN CHAUVINIST WHO REFUSES TO APOLOGIZE FOR CREATING THE MODERN WORLD Follow us and join us Https://ProudBoysUSA.com https://parler.com/profile/theproudboys https://gab.ai/TheProudBoysUSA https://www.minds.com/proudboysusa

proudboysusa.com

Gorf, they showed up to my city and threatened to start a shooting war because “Portland isn’t safe for whites anymore.” Like, Jesus Christ man. Tiny happily associated with border militias and white power dudes for fucking years, Jeremy Christian being an excellent example. Fuck, pretty sure he’s facing charges for hate crimes himself.
Just shut up man. You have no clue what you’re talking about. These fuckers all just move from one fascist street gang to another and aside from shitty personal drama there’s zero friction between the “not explicitly racist” Proud Boys (who happily join chants of “Jews will not replace us” btw) and Atomwaffen.

 

[gorfias]

It was, as far as I can see, quite reasonably pointed out that the FBI itself does not regard Antifa as an "organisation", and that right-wing (often white supremacist) organisations are both statistically and duly by law agency opinion regarded as the biggest terrorist threats in the USA.

The Proud Boys might not be explicitly white supremacist by stated remit, but those who have looked into them - opinions of members, association with other groups - have revealed no shortage of white supremacism amongst their membership.

I think our ruling elite have an agenda that includes using the FBI to come up with results they like. I don't buy the right is more dangerous to this Jew than the Left.
ANTIFA may not be an "organization" but it is a para militaristic anti-west violent movement. Biden should have condemned them by name.
At any family reunion, I find members with views I find embarrassing. But what is the Proud Boys organized movement? I've linked their web page. Again: they are multi-racial.

Gorf, they showed up to my city and threatened to start a shooting war because “Portland isn’t safe for whites anymore.” Like, Jesus Christ man. Tiny happily associated with border militias and white power dudes for fucking years, Jeremy Christian being an excellent example. Fuck, pretty sure he’s facing charges for hate crimes himself.
Just shut up man. You have no clue what you’re talking about. These fuckers all just move from one fascist street gang to another and aside from shitty personal drama there’s zero friction between the “not explicitly racist” Proud Boys (who happily join chants of “Jews will not replace us” btw) and Atomwaffen.

See my comments above.

I will write that I am seeing open hostility to white people that is hateful, racist, bigoted and deadly. In this environment, I don't blame white people for complaining about this.

 

[Revnak]

But what is the Proud Boys organized movement? I've linked their web page. Again: they are multi-racial.

Tiny is their literal boss and has organized with explicit Neo-Nazi orgs over here. This is idiotic.

 

[Buyetyen]

I think our ruling elite have an agenda that includes using the FBI to come up with results they like. I don't buy the right is more dangerous to this Jew than the Left.
ANTIFA may not be an "organization" but it is a para militaristic anti-west violent movement. Biden should have condemned them by name.
At any family reunion, I find members with views I find embarrassing. But what is the Proud Boys organized movement? I've linked their web page. Again: they are multi-racial.

Yes, exactly. The lack of evidence for a conspiracy is simply proof that the conspiracy is being covered up. We know how this goes, bro.

 

[Revnak]

See my comments above.

I will write that I am seeing open hostility to white people that is hateful, racist, bigoted and deadly. In this environment, I don't blame white people for complaining about this.

Your comments suck ass. I am white people in Portland. I’m fine. Go deal with your own shit.

 

[Samtemdo8]

Honestly would this debate be any different if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren were here instead of Biden?

 

[lil devils x]

Yes, but he's not going to lose anything over it. He's spent four years acting like that: anyone who could be alienated already has been. If it doesn't cost him, why should he stop?

I think this is partly Trump's personality, and that he doesn't have the right temperament for formal debate, it's a style that just doesn't suit him. He's a narcissistic showman who operates on instinct, not a thinker, planner and orator. I don't think he knows enough detail, he doesn't concentrate or care enough to prepare properly, and he has too strong a desire to belittle and dominate to allow a patient back-and-forth on the issues. As examples, some of his recent performances (the Town Hall and that Axios interview) more along these lines he did not come out of well at all.

But he knows he can disrupt the process and turn it into chaos so that Biden can't win, either. Trump's potential "win" here was to shake Biden into losing his cool - and he failed. Thus the only real losers were the debate format itself, the hapless host, and the USA generally for how it this unedifying spectacle presented its politics to a global audience.

It will be interesting to see if Trump changes tack for the next debate. Being so far behind in the polls, he can't settle for a "no result" like this one. If he can't break Biden's composure, he will need to come at him with the issues. I am not sure whether he'll manage it. Trump clearly can keep on-script: he has done it before, but he seems to lose his vim, become staid and mechanical, because it's not his natural mode. There's a sense he wants to break out and tubthump to a crowd, and I suspect in future debates when the contest flows, and especially if he feels he's not winning, there's a strong likelihood he'll degenerate it towards chaos again.

TBH, he comes across as extremely insecure and tries to put on a " front" of pretend confidence to overcompensate for his extreme insecurities. His first wife had spoken about him being extremely insecure and why he lashes out because he is afraid if he doesn't we will look weak. Confident men do not actually do that. The more nervous he feels the more he tries to posture himself to try and cover it up, but in the end that just makes him look even more nervous. Men who are actually confident don't care about what others say about them. Trump does because he is terrified of looking weak or being embarrassed or having someone else make him look bad. Honestly makes me wonder if he himself wasn't bullied pretty bad when he was young to think this is so important now.

 

[gorfias]

Your comments suck ass. I am white people in Portland. I’m fine. Go deal with your own shit.

Got you. Nothing to fear from those fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

Honestly would this debate be any different if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren were here instead of Biden?

Oh man, I'd have paid money to see that!

Biden is boring. He's straddling a line. He doesn't want to lose his Left wing but has stated that if elected, nothing will fundamentally change.
Say what you will of Bernie and Liz: They want change. That isn't boring. I would have loved to hear them compare their ideas to the Donald's. Medicare for all for instance, which Bernie is for. Biden wants to prop up ACA, which is nationalized Romney care with some huge problems. Trump talks a good game about allowing for greater competition in pharmaceutical purchases. Is this really a thing that is happening or is it like when Reagan said he wanted a 10% flat tax, which may be a great idea but it did not and will not ever happen.

 

[Revnak]

Honestly would this debate be any different if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren were here instead of Biden?

They’re generally better public speakers and “debaters” both in the traditional sense and the yelling over one another sense.

 

[lil devils x]

Honestly would this debate be any different if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren were here instead of Biden?

Trump just would have screamed "socialist!" more, like it is some sort of insult or something.

 

[lil devils x]

They’re generally better public speakers and “debaters” both in the traditional sense and the yelling over one another sense.

They would be forced to talk over trump as Trump would never shut up out of fear if they talked they would say something that makes him look bad. Biden was still a bit too polite even by calling Trump a clown and telling him to shut up. LOL

 

[Revnak]

Got you. Nothing to fear from those fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

The only building they’ve seriously risked catching fire is the Police Union. They stopped lighting dumpster fires for weeks during the wildfires and focused mostly on mutual aid, helping provide tons of support to those fleeing the fires. As someone who has now had to live through a couple weeks of firey hell, no, the protests are not a fucking danger right now. Christ man.

 

[gorfias]

The only building they’ve seriously risked catching fire is the Police Union. They stopped lighting dumpster fires for weeks during the wildfires and focused mostly on mutual aid, helping provide tons of support to those fleeing the fires. As someone who has now had to live through a couple weeks of firey hell, no, the protests are not a fucking danger right now. Christ man.

And I'm hearing it was all Trump's doing that things are getting better. I buy that.

 

[tstorm823]

Wallace: Are you willing to condemn white supremecy.
Trump: Sure, I'm willing to do that.
Internet: Trump refuses to condemn white supremacy!

Wallace: Do you believe human activity is to blame for environmental degredation.
Trump: To an extent, yes.
Internet: Trump denies climate change!

Man, people are predictable. Like, by my count, the only outright lie from Trump in the entire debate was a comment about electric cars, where he said he'd offered incentives on electric cars, but truthfully he inherited incentives for them from Obama and then pushed against them, and that doesn't even qualify as half truth. That's just a lie. The rest of Trump include controversial truths and boorish behavior, but not a lot of lie in there. On the other side, Biden lied basically every opportunity he had. Morning fact-checks are all about Trump lying, go figure.

Very important aside, I'd like to say to the radicals here on the escapist. When Trump points to the dangerous and violent left-wing radicals who would gleefully overthrow Joe Biden, I'm so proud of all of you for getting your shout out on live tv.

 

[Revnak]

And I'm hearing it was all Trump's doing that things are getting better. I buy that.

I... how? What? The first shooting death was in August? The current confrontational protests between Proud Boys and Antifa started happening around the same time, over a month after Trump was forced out of town? So not only are things not getting “better” (in terms of the risk to private property it’s neutral, in terms of the risk to human life the current phase is the most dangerous yet), but Trump had fuckall to do with it. Just, what? Who told you this?

Things aren’t getting better, things were just never honestly that bad (in terms of the “threat” protesters presented). If anything, the escalation that confrontational protests are bringing in is making things worse.

 

[Buyetyen]

Trump: Still phony, still desperate, still lying

Biden: Still meh, still good at debate

Gorfias: Still defending white supremacy

Everyone Else: Still ready to open our own wrists

 

[Baffle]

Wallace: Are you willing to condemn white supremecy.
Trump: Sure, I'm willing to do that.
Internet: Trump refuses to condemn white supremacy!

...

Man, people are predictable.

I mean, yes, you are predictable.

He didn't actually condemn white supremacists at all, did he? What he said was '[White supremacists] stand back and stand by'. Holy hell, the condemnation!