Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

Who will win the election?

  • SleepyJoe

    Votes: 15 30.0%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 9 18.0%
  • It doesn't matter who wins, because we will all lose in some way.

    Votes: 26 52.0%

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stroopwafel

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Call me old fashioned, but if I were a public figure battling serious allegations of racism like that, I would answer questions about it explicitly denying it and condemning those beliefs at each opportunity. Not just a few scripted sound bites. Given how often it comes up, the fact you could only supply 4 times he did speak against it... 🤷‍♂️
He's probably walking a tightrope among his constituency. He doesn't want to cater to extremist beliefs but he wants to capitalize on the sentiments caused by the riots as well. Trump is an opportunist but I don't believe he is racist just as he isn't an evangelist christian. He just knows who his voters are and being too explicit would alienate those with more questionable beliefs. They are a minority but could still make a difference in the election.
 

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Why would anyone be attracted to that? That is the sort of guy who gets kicked in the nuts when he hits on girls.
Yes but I guarantee that a large portion of his voters have used words like "negging" and "alpha" unironically. You know, the kind of people who just take it at face value when a man in a fuzzy tophat swears he's had sex with thousands of women and you can too if you act like as much of a chide as he does (and also give him money). He's the image of a strong dominant figure to countless people who wouldn't know strength if it was in front of their face being unashamed to display emotional vulnerability.
 

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Here's the trick: half of everyone laughs at those allegations. They aren't serious allegations to us. They are desperate political lies.

Edit: The same lies Democrats have been firing at Republicans for the last half century.
You mean, like the not serious allegation that Obama is secretly Kenyan that he had to refute time and time again, which were pushed by... Oh my! Trump himself!

Maybe Trump isn't explicitly endorsing white supremacist, but they sure as fuck endorse him, they're very serious about that and they keep endorsing him after all the time he "denounced" them (like calling them nice).

So here's a fun scenario. What if Trump loses the election but still arranges a second term through subterfuge. What if he declares the election result void and has the supreme court declare him the victor, or what if faithless electors grant him another term even if he loses both the popular and college vote.

What can Democrats do then? Would it be possible for all Democrat states to just stop paying taxes to the central government and not funnel money to the impoverished south until the legitimate president takes office? Could they disregard anything Trump says and regard Biden as the legitimate president? Can they make the US completely ungovernable until the legitimate government is allowed to take office?

The democrat states are where the people and the money are so if they desire it they could theoretically cause a lot of havoc.
This would be ugly. The problem is it'll come down to what the various governmental arm will decided to do, especially the army and police. It seems like the rank and file member of the army are mostly Trump but the upper brass aren't super happy about him, so I don't know where they'll go. My guess is that no one will take drastic action and he'll get away with it relatively easily.
 
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You mean, like the not serious allegation that Obama is secretly Kenyan that he had to refute time and time again, which were pushed by... Oh my! Trump himself!
Didn't you know that doesn't count because he should have just published his tax returns birth certificate if he had nothing to hide!!!
 

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It is worrying that white supremacy is so widespread in the USA that condemning it would lose you a significant chunk of your fanbase. Like, that shouldn't be the case.
It doesn't need to be widespread. Losing 2% of your voter base in the wrong parts of the country can be an election loser. And if the other 98% of your voter base are okay with it, what's the problem?
 

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It doesn't need to be widespread. Losing 2% of your voter base in the wrong parts of the country can be an election loser. And if the other 98% of your voter base are okay with it, what's the problem?
I would say that being 'okay' with white supremacy is very much being pro-white supremacist, which makes one a white supremacist. So that's 100%!
 

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You mean, like the not serious allegation that Obama is secretly Kenyan that he had to refute time and time again, which were pushed by... Oh my! Trump himself!
Yes, exactly. That was a crappy, baseless claim about Obama that he shouldn't have had to continue acknowledging, and it didn't matter if Obama refuted it time and time again because the association was made no matter how he responded. Trump was crappy to do that, and that criticism of Trump is entirely justified.

Trump supporting white supremacists is a baseless claim, his refutations are ignored, and the claims continue because the association sticks anyway. The people making those claims are crappy and should be criticized. They are very similar situations.
 
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Like Hillary Clinton regarding her email servers? Apparently, the establishment elite failed to protect the non plus ultra of establishment elite candidates from the FBI, including right in the middle of an electoral campaign.



Those swastika tattoos and chants of "Jews will not replace us" aren't much found in Antifa protests.



Where are their guns, their military training and tactics, their military-like structure / hierarchy? They aren't military at all.
That Comey did what he did, while at the same time calling her "extremely careless" rather than criminally negligent was odd. We are finding out more and more about how the deep state knew Trump et. al. were to be investigated with the goal of destroying them whether there was good reason to investigate them or not.
ITMT: Jews get it from every side. DNC darling Al Sharpton appears to have incited the murder of some of them. But right now, it is the Left that is burning down cities, tearing down statues, giving conservative journalists brain bleeds clubbing them with blunt instruments, attacking old people holding US flags, etc.
We've seen the use of knives, blunt instruments, felons illegally carrying firearms, explosive devices and Molotov cocktails thrown at police.
Intentionally blocking traffic, whether on foot or by car is an unlawful detention. And don't get me started on just plain old assault. Getting in someone's face and screaming at them is not communication: it's an attack.
 

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You know how many times Trump has explicitly condemned white supremacists? A lot. Like, a lot. The continued presumption in the questions that Trump treats white supremacy the same as the left treats antifa is intellectually offensive. When he says "yes, he's willing to do that" after having a history of doing that, that's plenty:

There is no number of times Trump can condemn White Supremacists that will make that lie die.
Yeah, and you know what else Trump does? He also equivocates, muddles and contradicts himself. He lets people with dubious records like Stephen Miller squat in the White House. He retweets white supremacists. Hey, Mr. President, I'll name you a white supremacist group, The Proud Boys. And Trump says: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by." Because that's just how much he opposes white supremacists.

And that's the shit you guys just conveniently ignore whenever you want to protest that Trump is totes obvs against white supremacy. To those of us paying attention, it's mixed messaging.
 

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And don't get me started on just plain old assault. Getting in someone's face and screaming at them is not communication: it's an attack.
If only the police understood that, you might have fewer riots and left-wing protests.
 
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If only the police understood that, you might have fewer riots and left-wing protests.
I think you may be referencing actions taken in the line of duty. There's a difference between a thug pointing a gun at you and telling you to hand over your wallet and a cop pointing a gun at you in the line of duty (say he thinks you are a deadly danger to the community commiting a crime in progress). Otherwise, yeah, I can get behind the idea that cops should not engage in abusive excessive force.
 
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Reforming the police helps, but disbanding it does not. Tribes were denied the ability to police themselves locally, thus as I stated above IS what happens when this happens. It will be even worse for a city like Portland because it will be so televised and widespread, they are essentially putting a beacon on the city for every criminal in the US to come for a free for all. At least on the reservation, they are more secluded and less well known and it is mostly spread by word of mouth, but for Portland, there will be no criminal in the country not aware of it. It will be like a K mart blue light special for criminals. Any dreams of " the locals are not bad so it won't be a problem" are sadly mistaken when others find out. You can also be sure people like the proudboys and other such groups will intentionally target worse than ever so when they know they cannot be arrested and put out callouts for everyone else to do so as well. Makes you wonder if that wasn't what Trump has them on standby for. If this was some area no one cared about it would be one thing, but it is not and unless you make sure you actually have EXTRA forces on hand during any sort of reformation, then expect it to be ugly for a while. If you have a lack of police, if gangs come through to your neighborhood, you would either have to be prepared to fight them yourself of flee as they were forced to do so on the reservation when this happens and expect to come back to your home destroyed, possessions looted.

Any attempts to defund or disband will be intentionally sabotaged by Trump and his cronies to "Make an example out of Portland".
So it's basically like what happened to the Wild West forum when Saelune started posting there.
 

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I think you may be referencing actions taken in the line of duty. There's a difference between a thug pointing a gun at you and telling you to hand over your wallet and a cop pointing a gun at you in the line of duty (say he thinks you are a deadly danger to the community commiting a crime in progress). Otherwise, yeah, I can get behind the idea that cops should not engage in abusive excessive force.
Yeah, the thug might actually serve time for murdering you. That's the difference.
 

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The only decent thing that has come out of this, will be the limited audience. Political debates need to be done with no audience forever.
After the Primary Debate in March and this Debate, yeah, I'm down with never having debate audiences ever again.
 

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Trump just would have screamed "socialist!" more, like it is some sort of insult or something.
Well, Socialist=Communist=Antifa=EVIL.

At least as far as I've been able to discern from how the right wing tend to use them interchangeably and because words apparently don't mean things anymore.
 
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It's a significant part of his base. That's the problem.
Yes, it's a significant chunk of a base large enough to get him elected (even if he lost the popular vote); I'd say that makes it a pretty widespread problem. (I should say that this isn't a dig at Americans generally, just an observation that as a country you've got significant white supremacy problems.)
 
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I think you may be referencing actions taken in the line of duty... Otherwise, yeah, I can get behind the idea that cops should not engage in abusive excessive force.
I think the US police regularly engage in abusive excessive force, which the authorities have allowed to excessively persist.
 
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