How long until this Pandemic ceases?

[Samtemdo8]

What's the latest updates and news about the nature of this virus?

Is a Vaccine still being worked on?

Can it last for more then 2 years?

Has it already become an endemic disease?

Is China being denounced by the global community for its responsibility for letting this virus spread?

 

[Shadyside]

I was disappointed that countries didn't get to yell at China for the virus. Lets face it, a lot of viruses come from that place, so if they want to be part of the global economy, then they need to have better health guidelines. Yes, of course the vaccine is being worked on and it might come out at the end of this year or next year. Experts are saying there is a good chance the Chinese virus will be endemic since people refuse to stay indoor.

 

[dreng3]

I'm no expert, but I've discussed this at length with my brother, who is currently doing a phd in biomedicine and is actually working on the national response for covid in my country. He says that earliest estimate is late summer or autumn 2021. Largely because of the fact that production and distribution takes time. He does expect that we can ramp down countermeasures in late spring 2021 if a vaccine is announced in january 2021.

So, we're gonna be in this for a while.

 

[lil devils x]

I was disappointed that countries didn't get to yell at China for the virus. Lets face it, a lot of viruses come from that place, so if they want to be part of the global economy, then they need to have better health guidelines. Yes, of course the vaccine is being worked on and it might come out at the end of this year or next year. Experts are saying there is a good chance the Chinese virus will be endemic since people refuse to stay indoor.

I do hope this was sarcasm.

OT: The truth is this could have started anywhere, I do not " blame China" because I see that as absurdly ignorant of the reality of the ever changing world we live in. If this had started in the US, the US would have been even worse than China at containment and other nations would have had even less notice to act. With Climate change and ever increasing human encroachment into previously uninhabited environments, we can expect an increase of viruses and spread of disease. Simply because this time the virus came from bats in Guangdong, and we can expect more viruses to come from those same bats as well as we desperately need more research in this area to help us better prepare for the next one, it does not mean that the next pandemic can't start in bats or other animals in the US or elsewhere.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/c-change/subtopics/coronavirus-and-climate-change/

How Climate Change Is Contributing to Skyrocketing Rates of Infectious Disease

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Q&A: Could climate change and biodiversity loss raise the risk of pandemics?

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Yes, vaccines are still being worked on, however, we do not yet know how effective those vaccines will be or how frequently we may need to receive them. Chances are, we will likely still need to wear masks for a while. I do not have an ETA on the vaccine, there are a number of factors that are going to impact how soon we should expect one to be widely available in the US.

It is possible for it to last more than two years. We are hopeful to have it better under control by then, but I still think it is too early to speculate on that.

 

[lil devils x]

I'm no expert, but I've discussed this at length with my brother, who is currently doing a phd in biomedicine and is actually working on the national response for covid in my country. He says that earliest estimate is late summer or autumn 2021. Largely because of the fact that production and distribution takes time. He does expect that we can ramp down countermeasures in late spring 2021 if a vaccine is announced in january 2021.

So, we're gonna be in this for a while.

That is given that we don't have any major setbacks and we still do not yet know how effective they will be yet. We are hopeful, but I am not getting my hopes up until we are a bit further along.

 

[Trunkage]

I'm no expert, but I've discussed this at length with my brother, who is currently doing a phd in biomedicine and is actually working on the national response for covid in my country. He says that earliest estimate is late summer or autumn 2021. Largely because of the fact that production and distribution takes time. He does expect that we can ramp down countermeasures in late spring 2021 if a vaccine is announced in january 2021.

So, we're gonna be in this for a while.

I mean, that’s in your country it’s probably going to take longer in less well off countries

 

[dreng3]

I mean, that’s in your country it’s probably going to take longer in less well off countries

Certainly, I'm decidedly first world, and as Devils noted this is predicated on there being no setbacks. Though in the end my brother drew the conclusion that the main factor, in any kind of country, wouldn't be production or even distribution, but rather acceptance.

My brother and I are fortunate enough to live in a nation where vaccines are both widely accepted and meticulously tracked so that is fairly easy, but in many other nations there are large subsets of the population that are unwilling to accept vaccines or simply aren't encouraged to seek out vaccines.
Those people will be the problem, because of scepticism in the western world and because of alternative beliefs in the rest of the world. So, any vaccine must be accompanied by a large campaign meant to emphasize the benefits of said vaccine and the necessity thereof.

 

[Agema]

Is a Vaccine still being worked on?

Dozens.

There's one by AstraZeneca which is reckoned to be ready and available* in the UK by late November or December. Other countries may approve it later. There are another three which will probably pass trials first or second quarter next year.

* Limited: probably frontline healthcare workers first, then for the elderly and vulnerable early 2021, general population mid-2021.

Can it last for more then 2 years?

Globally, yes. But a raft of vaccines will probably have it under control during 2021 in most developed countries.

Has it already become an endemic disease?

Most definitely yes.

Is China being denounced by the global community for its responsibility for letting this virus spread?

I think the global community is a bit busy dealing with the virus currently. There will be lots of time to take China to task later.

 

[lil devils x]

I think the global community is a bit busy dealing with the virus currently. There will be lots of time to take China to task later.

TBH people should just be thankful this didn't start in the US. There would have been ZERO containment and it would have spread so much faster due to the amount of people who travel to the US vs China. Other nations would have been the ones notifying the US there was a problem vs the other way around.

 

[Kae]

TBH people should just be thankful this didn't start in the US. There would have been ZERO containment and it would have spread so much faster due to the amount of people who travel to the US vs China. Other nations would have been the ones notifying the US there was a problem vs the other way around.

You mean like the "Spanish" flu, which suspiciously appeared first Kansas City...

 

[lil devils x]

You mean like the "Spanish" flu, which suspiciously appeared first Kansas City...

Exactly. I see it as being terribly ignorant to blame any nation for a virus that could happen anywhere. We honestly need to be able to coordinate a global response to pandemics rather than this fly by our arse shit we have been ignorantly doing trying to get everyone killed.

I heard a ton of racist crap said about Mexico during 2009 Swine Flu as well and that pissed me off as much as it does to hear people ignorantly call this the "Chinese virus". It doesn't help solve this or help anyone to promote xenophophia and blame when this is just one of the realities of living on an ever changing planet and we need to learn to adapt as a global society rather than sow division. We need to have the world unite to prepare a proper response and share resources to resolve these things and by behaving ridiculous about it, it just makes that more difficult to do. If all nations on earth instead looked at it as " we are all at risk and we are all a part of the solution" and worked to help one another to address these things instead, we could save more lives everywhere. I see people saying stupid things about other nations as making it worse instead of better.

 

[Houseman]

. I see it as being terribly ignorant to blame any nation for a virus that could happen anywhere.

Yeah... anywhere health and safety standards aren't being followed, like keeping live animals in close proximity to food and in unsanitary conditions... which only certain countries do...

 

[Trunkage]

TBH people should just be thankful this didn't start in the US. There would have been ZERO containment and it would have spread so much faster due to the amount of people who travel to the US vs China. Other nations would have been the ones notifying the US there was a problem vs the other way around.

There’s lots of things to take China to task for. Lying for about two months. Misleading and covering up results. Health standards etc.

The US doing jack shit and spreading the virus way more than China ever did is one of them. Lying about it for 6mths. And misleading and covering up results. Health standards are pretty average too

 

[Silvanus]

Exactly. I see it as being terribly ignorant to blame any nation for a virus that could happen anywhere.

Well, there are degrees of likelihood. Wet markets make the appearance of coronaviruses making the transition from animal to human much more likely, and only certain governments turn a blind eye to wet markets.

Of course, black market meat trading goes on in most countries to some extent, but that's not nearly on the same scale.

The government in China bears responsibility for its unwillingness to enforce health regulations, and for its near-certain manipulation of the stats in the early stages of the pandemic.

 

[Kae]

Exactly. I see it as being terribly ignorant to blame any nation for a virus that could happen anywhere. We honestly need to be able to coordinate a global response to pandemics rather than this fly by our arse shit we have been ignorantly doing trying to get everyone killed.

I heard a ton of racist crap said about Mexico during 2009 Swine Flu as well and that pissed me off as much as it does to hear people ignorantly call this the "Chinese virus". It doesn't help solve this or help anyone to promote xenophophia and blame when this is just one of the realities of living on an ever changing planet and we need to learn to adapt as a global society rather than sow division. We need to have the world unite to prepare a proper response and share resources to resolve these things and by behaving ridiculous about it, it just makes that more difficult to do. If all nations on earth instead looked at it as " we are all at risk and we are all a part of the solution" and worked to help one another to address these things instead, we could save more lives everywhere. I see people saying stupid things about other nations as making it worse instead of better.

I didn't even participate in any of the discussions about México during the Swine Flu because they made me too angry and I was sure I would start calling people idiots, since there was a ton of misinformation being spread and they basically painted as dirty and disgusting savages, for that same reason I won't call the virus by anything other than it's official name Covid-19 or Coronavirus, since while I heavily dislike China's horribly authoritarian government, which definitely handled things poorly, I know that projecting this unto China will make people unfairly judge the Chinese people and will undoubtedly cause a lot of racial discrimination, much like what happened to us Mexicans during H1N1, or what's happening to Muslims due to the few terrorist attacks committed by Muslims and so on.

 

[lil devils x]

There’s lots of things to take China to task for. Lying for about two months. Misleading and covering up results. Health standards etc.

The US doing jack shit and spreading the virus way more than China ever did is one of them. Lying about it for 6mths. And misleading and covering up results. Health standards are pretty average too

The way the US would have responded under Trump if it had started here is why I am saying the US doesn't really have ground to stand on to criticize China or anyone else for that matter in this regards. If, say New Zealand OTOH wants to address the mishandling of the virus by China or the US, they would have grounds to do so. But I see no beneficial purpose for calling it the " Chinese virus" or anything that causes more division and problems than just having the world come together and say " We need to all be better prepared for these things as they affect us all and we need to come up with a universal international response plan here to make everyone safer as we are expecting these things to increase as the climate changes and the better prepared we all the more people we can save".

The ONLY reason that isn't what is happening now is due to Trumps ignorant reaction. If the US president had done exactly that, the world would have likely united to combat the virus. We have more people dead, and are still horribly prepared due to the incompetence of the current administration. Not just the US, but much of the world as we needed a united response instead of divisive rhetoric. Things would be so much different now for so many if they had an appropriate response.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Must we do the blame China thing again?

For sake of argument, lets say that China is to blame. So what? There's all sorts of things China is doing that they shouldn't be, China is big and powerful and too intertwined with the rest of the world's economy's to do anything much about.

People can (maybe) usefully blame their own leaders if they get to vote them out, and (sorta kinda maybe) blame small countries their country has power over. Anything else is a waste of time at best, and often a distraction from blaming the above.

 

[lil devils x]

Yeah... anywhere health and safety standards aren't being followed, like keeping live animals in close proximity to food and in unsanitary conditions... which only certain countries do...

Yea, like rural US. We literally had a ridiculous amount of real life "Cousin Eddies" from the National Lampoon's Griswold's movies. People eat squirrels here. People eat possums here. People eat rattlesnakes here and they have festivals where they slaughter them and cook them right there for yer too. US Has no grounds to stand on to criticize china for anything here.

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[tippy2k2]

I figure at least in America, it won't until an actual vaccine comes into play (and even then, it'll likely take some time as it has to be kicked out there and enough people get it to overcome the BILL GATES IS CHIPPING US!!!! morons).

One Twitter user put it best when they said that they did not understand how anyone in a zombie movie could be so selfish as to hide a bite that they KNOW will turn them into a zombie and cause them to attack their fellow survivors (and probably at the most inconvenient time plotwise!) but this Pandemic changed their thoughts on that in a heartbeat.

A decent chunk of people won't even put on a fucking mask, let alone do any of the hard shit like social distance. If this shit has taught us anything, somebody getting bit and hiding it from everyone is probably the most plausible thing about zombie movies...

 

[lil devils x]

I didn't even participate in any of the discussions about México during the Swine Flu because they made me too angry and I was sure I would start calling people idiots, since there was a ton of misinformation being spread and they basically painted as dirty and disgusting savages, for that same reason I won't call the virus by anything other than it's official name Covid-19 or Coronavirus, since while I heavily dislike China's horribly authoritarian government, which definitely handled things poorly, I know that projecting this unto China will make people unfairly judge the Chinese people and will undoubtedly cause a lot of racial discrimination, much like what happened to us Mexicans during H1N1, or what's happening to Muslims due to the few terrorist attacks committed by Muslims and so on.

Exactly. I felt the same way. I DID however participate in conversations and tried to set people straight though on how ignorant it was to behave like that. I agree with you 100% that it is harmful behavior and just creates more problems while solving none.