Bolivia's Jenine Áñez finally allows election effectively at gunpoint, loses and is going to jail

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And I'll refer you to Elena Block and Ralph Negrine and their definition of populist style political communication.
It sounds like they want to dismiss all populism as basically fascist or fascist-adjacent, which is pretty suspect in a system where elites really do disregard the concerns of ordinary people and publishing and academia tends to be funded by the very wealthy who would maintain that state of affairs. Also, we already have the word 'fascist'.

Also, also

Evo Morales doesn't appear to be a populist by your definition, so there's that.
 
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It sounds like they want to dismiss all populism as basically fascist or fascist-adjacent, which is pretty suspect in a system where elites really do disregard the concerns of ordinary people and publishing and academia tends to be funded by the very wealthy who would maintain that state of affairs. Also, we already have the word 'fascist'.

Also, also

Evo Morales doesn't appear to be a populist by your definition, so there's that.
I don't think I ever argued that he was one.

In a paper based, partially, on the work of Block and Negrine, the conclusion is drawn that while populism might not be inherently fascist in nature it requires the populist to create an "other" in the minds of the constituency.
As such the populist must seek to divide the populace, and typically this is done through anti-elitism or anti-intellectualism, because another part of the populist playbook is that the populist speaks for the people.
This is based on the paper A Populist Zeitgeist.

For an example:
Trump is a populist, he makes wild claims with little to no basis in reality solely because they are popular with his constituents. He creates fictional enemies and exaggerates the threat posed by his opponents. In terms of actual policy Trump presents nothing or something very close to nothing.
 

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I don't think I ever argued that he was one.

In a paper based, partially, on the work of Block and Negrine, the conclusion is drawn that while populism might not be inherently fascist in nature it requires the populist to create an "other" in the minds of the constituency.
As such the populist must seek to divide the populace, and typically this is done through anti-elitism or anti-intellectualism, because another part of the populist playbook is that the populist speaks for the people.
This is based on the paper A Populist Zeitgeist.

For an example:
Trump is a populist, he makes wild claims with little to no basis in reality solely because they are popular with his constituents. He creates fictional enemies and exaggerates the threat posed by his opponents. In terms of actual policy Trump presents nothing or something very close to nothing.
Given the more expansive definitions of populism that you see used in popular discourse (as in the tweet which is why we're even talking about populism), one paper that seems pretty transparent in its goal of hanging the albatross of racism around the neck of people's movements by whatever means available is basically irrelevant. Recycling the rhetoric of monarchists that dismissed democratic movements I'm sure is something that established institutions would like to see, but that doesn't make it good analysis.
 
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Given the more expansive definitions of populism that you see used in popular discourse (as in the tweet which is why we're even talking about populism), one paper that seems pretty transparent in its goal of hanging the albatross of racism around the neck of people's movements by whatever means available is basically irrelevant. Recycling the rhetoric of monarchists that dismissed democratic movements I'm sure is something that established institutions would like to see, but that doesn't make it good analysis.
I don't agree with the goal being to paint populists as racists. Of course race is an easy approach if you want to create an "other", but there are so many alternatives. Criminals, socialists, capitalists, democrats, republicans, academics, the rich, the poor, etc.

I rather read the paper as a consideration of why and how populism works.
 

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I don't agree with the goal being to paint populists as racists. Of course race is an easy approach if you want to create an "other", but there are so many alternatives. Criminals, socialists, capitalists, democrats, republicans, academics, the rich, the poor, etc.

I rather read the paper as a consideration of why and how populism works.
Whatever the case, it's not using the definition of populism that is at issue and so is irrelevant.
 
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This is all part of Bolivian democratic mannerisms.
Dual citizen, Bolivian and US, elected president two times - and was the worst president ever twice over. Second time he allowed his security forces to open fire on a crowd of protestors demanding his resignation, I think around 50-60 were killed. The madlad then went to the Bolivian central bank after the massacre, took all of the US dollars he could carry and boarded a helicopter to a different city - Santa Cruz, from which he went on a flight with his family to the US. He's still chilling in the US, while it refuses the demands of the Bolivian government for extradition.
 

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This is all part of Bolivian democratic mannerisms.
Dual citizen, Bolivian and US, elected president two times - and was the worst president ever twice over. Second time he allowed his security forces to open fire on a crowd of protestors demanding his resignation, I think around 50-60 were killed. The madlad then went to the Bolivian central bank after the massacre, took all of the US dollars he could carry and boarded a helicopter to a different city - Santa Cruz, from which he went on a flight with his family to the US. He's still chilling in the US, while it refuses the demands of the Bolivian government for extradition.
Yeah, shooting a bunch of indigenous protesters then fleeing the country with millions of dollars is honestly just a 100 level course at the School of the Americas
 
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Continuing from before, they are going to move forward with charges.


Morales is coming back to Bolivia, I believe currently there are no plans to give him a government position which is probably for the best, but he'll be back in Bolivia.


Cry more.
 
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Continuing from before, they are going to move forward with charges.


Morales is coming back to Bolivia, I believe currently there are no plans to give him a government position which is probably for the best, but he'll be back in Bolivia.


Cry more.
Imagine praying to the military to kill your fellow citizens just because you dont like what they said
 
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Cry more.
Could have wrote the same when Morales was got, a year ago. Cry more? As if you care about any of the people that live in that country, you just want a figurative "win" for your team. Typical westerner colonialist.
 

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Could have wrote the same when Morales was got, a year ago. Cry more? As if you care about any of the people that live in that country, you just want a figurative "win" for your team. Typical westerner colonialist.
Almost as if there's a difference in legitimacy between a democratic mandate and a violent coup d'etat.
 

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Almost as if there's a difference in legitimacy between a democratic mandate and a violent coup d'etat.
As I had parroted many times before, he was a greedy idiot that world-wide socialists like because he said naughty things about the US and capitalism and should have stepped down to let another person from his party run and win the vote. Instead he relented and had no legitimacy from the opposition because the court ruling was a fucking meme and if you continue to argue for it you haven't even read the document it's using to justify itself. As I said before if you think this document was legitimate enough to circumvent their own constitution (and a vote on it, which he lost) then you also think that conception begins at birth and that abortion is murder, fullstop.
When Morales won the election in the first round?
When he refused to step down and let another member of his party run but instead because of his inflated ego rammed a questionable court ruling to make it a FOURTH term.
Such a fucking clown, yet you would forgive him everything because he "gives it to the capitalists".

I was there and talked to people in Bolivia from different places in the country and different social circles. I met with a Venezuelan refugee that worked in a shoe-store. Another one that worked as a barber. They didn't seem very bourgeoise to me. Had the time of my life just riding around La Paz on the cable cars. Went to a national park in the jungle and swam around there with alligators and dolphins. I paid off a miner-cooperative so I could shadow them and see how they work inside the world's biggest silver mines in Potosi. What do you even know from these place besides what some journalists told you on twitter? Why would their personal experiences be any better than mine - because they agree with your world-view?