Gaming Journalists Make No Damn Sense

[Iron]

Because in the vast majority of games (not to mention movies) it's still white, straight men as the protagonists. Something the non-white, non-straight non-male community has pretty much tolerated without too much if any vocalization, because why would anyone listen to them, right? But now that a small percentage of games and movies dare to veer away from white, straight male protagonists a certain segment is utterly losing their shit and getting super racist, sexist and homophobic about it. Almost like that's what they always were, but never had to reveal since the odds were always (and still really are) in their favour.

So there's your contradiction; decades of the LGBTQ community not uttering a word over the lack of (positive) represention in media, a slight shift, a small step at maybe a course correction, and certain people turn into rabid baboons.

Those racist, sexist and homophobic white men aren't buying these new media products, which is where the "get broke" comes in the picture.

Because they could wank themselves off over them as sex objects without being troubled by notions of them having a personality.

You described all of pornography right here

 

[Casual Shinji]

Those racist, sexist and homophobic white men aren't buying these new media products, which is where the "get broke" comes in the picture.

Which media products are we talking about now? Black Panther? Cuz I think that did more than fine, too.

Also yeah, let's totally let profit allow racism, sexism, and homophobia to keep existing. That's how we change the world for the better after all.

 

[Iron]

Which media products are we talking about now? Black Panther? Cuz I think that did more than fine, too.

Also yeah, let's totally let profit allow racism, sexism, and homophobia to keep existing. That's how we change the world for the better after all.

I gave an example of what happened with Gillette. You're not allowing profit, you're censoring things you don't like. You're deliberately allowing yourself to do the things you accuse others of doing.

 

[Gordon_4]

The projection is off the charts. Films are being removed and censored because of things like racism, for example how "Gone with the wind" was removed from all streaming platforms. For some reason people that don't like racism are insecure about racism so they have to remove films they think are racist.

What projection? Its fucking true. People are insecure about all sorts of shit and if I'm honest I'm just beyond giving a merry fuck and sick of watching morons circle jerk each other about unimportant shit. Either the games/movies/books/TV shows will survive or they won't.

 

[Iron]

What projection? Its fucking true. People are insecure about all sorts of shit and if I'm honest I'm just beyond giving a merry fuck and sick of watching morons circle jerk each other about unimportant shit. Either the games/movies/books/TV shows will survive or they won't.

True. People just get very upset when you mention to them the reason WHY they failed is that they were trying to push politics into entertainment and they were terrible at it.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I gave an example of what happened with Gillette. You're not allowing profit, you're censoring things you don't like. You're deliberately allowing yourself to do the things you accuse others of doing.

And I gave an example the example of Black Panther. And there was also Captain Marvel which did great at the box office, despite the weird hate campaign against it by the anti-SJW camp before release. And seeing Gillette is still doing fine and dandy I'm questioning your example.

And what's being censored exactly?

 

[CriticalGaming]

Which media products are we talking about now? Black Panther? Cuz I think that did more than fine, too.

Also yeah, let's totally let profit allow racism, sexism, and homophobia to keep existing. That's how we change the world for the better after all.

I don't think Black Panther was a "Woke" film. The Media just hyped it up because it featured a predominarily black cast. There were some annoyances round that because again it wasn't the first black led super hero film, and hell Tyler Perry films are also all black movies so it isn't even a special movie in that regard.

Not to mention BP was made with a clear quality standard that other movies that simply set up their casting for the sake of having a cast that is X,Y,Z, do not.

Thus the flops of Batwoman were every character is a woman and also lesbian, or Ghostbusters reboot (though people fail to admit that Ghostbusters is only famous for being a cult classic and actually Ghostbusters has always sucked). Not to mention to flops of the LBGTQ super hero team that Marvel recently tried to put into comics. I forget what they were called because they failed immediately. Turns out comic book nerds have no interest in poorly written pandering.

And the problem is only exacerbated when the woke crowd tries to insult people. Calling them racist or homophobic because they don't like the wokey thing only breeds resentment.

Products that go for a progressive narrative can't keep thinking that they'll automatically succeed because they're progressive. They also have to have the effort of a well written, well thought out characters, and story. Because you can't keep blaming it on everyone being sexist and racist for why your shit isn't successful.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Turns out comic book nerds have no interest in poorly written pandering.

 

[Iron]

And I gave an example the example of Black Panther. And there was also Captain Marvel which did great at the box office, despite the weird hate campaign against it by the anti-SJW camp before release. And seeing Gillette is still doing fine and dandy I'm questioning your example.

And what's being censored exactly?

Gillette had a dip in sales and needed to write off debts. The campaign only hurt it.
The movie was being censored, obviously. People demanded it would be removed from platforms because they said it had racism and they didn't like it.

 

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[Gordon_4]

I'd argue that the flop of Batwoman is that it is just a mediocre show with poor direction and an unclear vision. It wants to be another Arrow/Flash/Super Girl-spin off but struggles to decide if it is Grim Dark or more in line with Arrow in terms of mood. Kane is meant to be a troubled hero much like Queen but most of the time she just comes off as an emotionally stunted asshole and not a troubled but loveable antihero, which goes to show a) how much stronger the writing for Arrow is and b) how much better an actor Steve Amell is to Ruby Rose (specifically, Amell can balance being brooding and moody with a sweet and vulnerable side, Rose always struggles when she needs to present as affable and charming but absolutely nails emotionally distant and cocky).

That it pushes its politics really hard is quaint at best as it has nothing of real value to say about them (though I approve of the fact that CW is taking chances in trying to appeal to minority demographics with their spin-offs), but doesn't really affect the tremendous base problems of the show. I'm a fan of the Arrowverse but Batwoman needed much more pre-production time to figure out what the show was meant to be.



Ghostbusters (1984) and Ghostbusters II both work on the basis of their incredibly strong actors and their impeccable ability to make pretty much anything hilarious. Both have some really weak parts (the love story in the first movie is especially bad) and have aged terribly. Any reboot without as talented actors is bound to fail on that alone. Ghostbusters was lightning in a bottle and you can't do much with the franchise as it has a very narrow scope.



I absolutely agree on the first part, with the caveat that a good production is always a good production no matter the politics (Birth of a Nation says hello). The second part I think is much harder because it is intrinsically tied to the "culture war" and I can only imagine the frustration if you're trying to make a good movie without any inherent politics only to get called out on being "woke" because your lead is a woman and the romantic interest is an Asian guy. Because that absolutely happens. Rey and Finn were being criticized way before TFA was released and "get woke, go broke" was chanted at the movie in the weeks leading up to release. That's not a fault of TFA or Disney, but off the raging sexists and racists on the internet who can't see a woman or black person in leading roles in a movie without getting a hate boner the size of Manhattan. Some film makers absolutely try to shield themselves from criticism by claiming it is all bigotry, but the sword cuts both ways and some criticism of media today is absolutely rooted in that bigotry.

Essentially, we need less culture war bullshit and more focus on the merits and negatives that aren't centered on politics.

Either that or production teams could stop running around social media full fucking stop. Let the actual PR crews handle that crap with accounts not attributable to a person. Its what every other sane organization does.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I'd argue that the flop of Batwoman is that it is just a mediocre show with poor direction and an unclear vision.

I agree, but that's because they expected the progressiveness of the heroine to carry the show. They expected the progressive crowd's support without having to do any of the work to make a good show AROUND that progressiveness.

Because that absolutely happens. Rey and Finn were being criticized way before TFA was released and "get woke, go broke" was chanted at the movie in the weeks leading up to release.

I didn't really see any of that. I only saw issues online after the film came out and it became clear that both characters with underdeveloped inclusionary choices. Rey and Finn could have been awesome, but that whole trilogy was made without any real plan and like most progressive agenda'd media it expected the name to carry it. It was going to be awesome because Star Wars. Just like Ghostbusters was an expected success because Ghostbusters.

That's not a fault of TFA or Disney, but off the raging sexists and racists on the internet who can't see a woman or black person in leading roles in a movie without getting a hate boner the size of Manhattan.

This doesn't make sense to me. Maybe you saw something I didn't but I didn't see people raging because or women and a black guy. That argument doesn't hold much water considering all the successful women and black led films in the past.

Like I said, I saw rage after the film was out because it was a lot clearer that they weren't make Rey and Finn real characters, they were just generic inserts to serve a story that made no sense to the previously established universe.

 

[Iron]

Brie Larson is sick of being interviewed by ‘white dudes’

The ‘Captain Marvel’ star is campaigning for more diversity in the press pool. Will it work?

www.irishtimes.com

Brie Larson: ‘I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time’

You think we take insults and ask for more like masochists?

 

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[Iron]

Trust me, there was a lot of it leading up to TFA's release. The problem was that this was a woman, a black man (and a latino) being the leads in one of the most beloved movie franchises of all times. Had it been some mid-budget straight to cable syfy production I doubt anyone would have cared, but the fact that a white man wasn't the lead of Star Wars upset a ton of people on the internet and they were pretty vocal about it. Whatever other faults TFA had, the criticism of it being "woke" started way before people knew more about Finn, Rey and Poe then that they'd be the leads.



I agree with this, but I also think it is pretty hard not to engage with it when people hit up all your social media accounts in droves to slam you for being "woke". There's a much larger discussion to be had here about social media presence and being a public person and I'm not sure it is suited for this thread.

The "woke" charge is raised after they've shat their pants all over Twatter and revealed their intentions.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Brie Larson is sick of being interviewed by ‘white dudes’

The ‘Captain Marvel’ star is campaigning for more diversity in the press pool. Will it work?

www.irishtimes.com

Brie Larson: ‘I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time’

You think we take insults and ask for more like masochists?

Brie Larson is the embodiment of the problem with hollwood right now. She thinks that her shit doesn't stink because she got cast as Captain Marvel, and then started talking about how empowering it is to be a women and hating on men, and even hating on the Avengers cast as if the movies sucked before SHE got there.

It's cringy and a perfect example of the mentality these producers and actors have over their shit. Then when it fucking sucks it's the "white dude's" fault.

I mean people like what they like. And the straight white dude demongraphic likes certain shit. It doesn't mean we're fucking racist because we didn't have any interest in watching a movie about a queer black girl from Queens try to make a name for herself in the fashion industry. It's because we don't fucking care about that as a concept. We like guns, explosions, giant monsters, pretty girls, and fart jokes. There is nothing wrong with that. And I think people have every reason to be upset when a movie tries to change our shooty shooty, boobie, explosion movie, into a female empowerment movie with a somehow worse plot and even dumber action.

You can make your female empowerment movie. Nobody is mad about that. But make it your OWN movie, dont try to turn something people already like into something it isn't. You'll never win anybody over that way.

Star Wars is a perfect example of this. If people hated on Rey, why didn't they hate on Adin Verso from Rogue one?

Rogue One was awesome and featured a female lead hero. As far as I've seen people loved it. I LOVED it. And you know why? Because they made it a side story within the Star Wars universe. They didn't try to erase the main plot for the sake of stupid ass characters.

When you make a main episode Star Wars movie, people have certain expectations and wants for that. Skywalker being a badass, an evil empire, and plucky rogue characters overcoming the universally bad enemy. Simple plot, clean, and beloved. The moment you cluttered that with a brand new cast or characters and then tried to wipe the previous episodes from having any significance, then yeah the fans aren't going to take that well. I would have that it would have been obvious to anyone with a bit of foresight.

 

[Iron]

Brie Larson is the embodiment of the problem with hollwood right now. She thinks that her shit doesn't stink because she got cast as Captain Marvel, and then started talking about how empowering it is to be a women and hating on men, and even hating on the Avengers cast as if the movies sucked before SHE got there.

It's cringy and a perfect example of the mentality these producers and actors have over their shit. Then when it fucking sucks it's the "white dude's" fault.

I mean people like what they like. And the straight white dude demongraphic likes certain shit. It doesn't mean we're fucking racist because we didn't have any interest in watching a movie about a queer black girl from Queens try to make a name for herself in the fashion industry. It's because we don't fucking care about that as a concept. We like guns, explosions, giant monsters, pretty girls, and fart jokes. There is nothing wrong with that. And I think people have every reason to be upset when a movie tries to change our shooty shooty, boobie, explosion movie, into a female empowerment movie with a somehow worse plot and even dumber action.

You can make your female empowerment movie. Nobody is mad about that. But make it your OWN movie, dont try to turn something people already like into something it isn't. You'll never win anybody over that way.

Star Wars is a perfect example of this. If people hated on Rey, why didn't they hate on Adin Verso from Rogue one?

Rogue One was awesome and featured a female lead hero. As far as I've seen people loved it. I LOVED it. And you know why? Because they made it a side story within the Star Wars universe. They didn't try to erase the main plot for the sake of stupid ass characters.

When you make a main episode Star Wars movie, people have certain expectations and wants for that. Skywalker being a badass, an evil empire, and plucky rogue characters overcoming the universally bad enemy. Simple plot, clean, and beloved. The moment you cluttered that with a brand new cast or characters and then tried to wipe the previous episodes from having any significance, then yeah the fans aren't going to take that well. I would have that it would have been obvious to anyone with a bit of foresight.

You get hate for not liking the things you don't like. Why won't you go watch these female empowerment movies? It's your fault they failed at the box office.

 

[CriticalGaming]

You get hate for not liking the things you don't like. Why won't you go watch these female empowerment movies? It's your fault they failed at the box office.

I'm sorry please take my money.

 

[Iron]

I'm sorry please take my money.

Financial Domination in a nutshell

 

[Houseman]

Because they could wank themselves off over them as sex objects without being troubled by notions of them having a personality.

Oh yeah, so hot. So angular.