A review of the Trump Presidency
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Never mind how much of these links are fake news mixed in here. (Example: There was no Muslim ban, ever). The one thing you wrote to which I must respond: "Here's the thing. You don't get it both ways. You don't get to say "Doesn't matter about the recession, Obama. You're the president so this is under your purview. Fix it" and then go "Trump is so unlucky. There's nothing anyone could do during this time of Covid. Forgive him for it and overlook it".
Policy matters. What was done? What was the intent?
Yes, a pol. can be blamed (or given credit) for things outside of their policies. Things that have nothing to do with them. They should not be. If someone was unfair to Obama, they should not have been so. What were the policies?
Obama said he was going to stimulate our economy with funds for shovel ready jobs but ended up giving $ to people that maybe should have gone to prison instead. Trump over saw the numbers posted in this topic creation. That was the intent of his policies. I read that his exit poll numbers show record numbers of demographic minorities supporting Trump. Money talks, BS walks. Under Trump policies, the money was there: record employment numbers and rising wages.
I do wonder about the environmental issues. I think it was Clinton that created an executive order as Bush replaced him: to go from getting 95% or something, to 96% less cyanide in the water... AFTER Clinton leaves office. The extra 1% was simply not worth going after and Clinton knew it. But the headlines would read, "Bush rolls back environmental protections". I wonder if that is what happened here? How to know?
You note Trump was criticized for unsanctioned military action. Good. At least someone was paying attention. We've been at war in a dozen nations for 100 years, without a single Congressional declaration of war. With the establishment's empty suits in power, do you think they'll still pay attention? I fear not.
To many in the US, the policy appears to be to allow for something of an ethnic cleansing of white people. As Al Gore is already rich and powerful, the grand children of simple laborers are to count less than others in education opportunities, employment, small business loans and more as demographics become become more important than everything else. Most men of all demographics are to be socially, politically and economically disenfranchised and if you don't go along with it, Maxine Waters will NEVER forgive you.
I think the goal of our new order is, in short, to harm me and mine. To take our peace, liberty and prosperity and leave us cowed and virtually enslaved. Trump and his policies resisted this and for that, I am grateful.
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Trump almost won. I dare say the aim would be to do Trump again, maybe smoothing off the edges.
The guy who went to jail for paedophilia or whatever? Maybe. Even if he is, someone is going to pick up the mantle. It's like Gossip Girl
And when reality proves things otherwise, ignore it and say fake news?
Now, it's fair to say "the new order" is harmful to you and yours. Not so much that it's goal is to harm, just that it views you as fairly expendable. That's also been true of the old order before this, the one before that, and most likely will be true of the one after the one we have now.
Trump, absolutely, positively, definitely was not resisting this. You're unlikely to actually see a regime enthusiastically resisting this, but Trump was significantly worse than most.
We can hope. I'm begging people to write of their hopes regarding a Biden Presidency. What do you think it will bring?
We'll only really know how Trump did after a nice, long break of ten years or more. My prediction is that in the long run, he is not going to be viewed favourably. Most of the policies will bleed away into the general background: tinkering here and there as the ship of the USA sails on, which made relatively little difference. Three things will sum up the Trump era:
1) His erratic behaviour, tantrums, rage and hate; extreme partisanship
2) Impeachment and surrounding issues
3) Coronavirus
There will be many, many autopsies to come over the years, and he is not possibly going to come out well on any of them, except with many Republicans who will always love him for the partisanship in (1).
Coronavirus may well be the one to sink him most: the evidence is already there that the response of the administration was chaotic, ineffectual, and that Trump hmself was central to this failure. The statistics of deaths per million in the USA tell us that the USA has handled it badly. Nearly three times worse than Canada, worse than nearly all European countries. History will have to judge the USA's huge number of unnecessary deaths very harshly indeed, and I cannot think there is any more damning indictment of a leader than helping ensure tens, even hundreds of thousands of their own citizens go to an early grave.
The final note about Trump is that he will potentially face charges when he leaves office, particularly for fraud, and possibly obstruction of justice. If he is found guilty of fraud, this cannot help but colour his presidency as presidency as well, because it will cement the perception of his venality. He could of course pardon himself (or hand over to Pence for just as long as it takes for Pence to pardon him), but I think history would judge that just as badly.
1) His erratic behaviour, tantrums, rage and hate; extreme partisanship
2) Impeachment and surrounding issues
3) Coronavirus
There will be many, many autopsies to come over the years, and he is not possibly going to come out well on any of them, except with many Republicans who will always love him for the partisanship in (1).
Coronavirus may well be the one to sink him most: the evidence is already there that the response of the administration was chaotic, ineffectual, and that Trump hmself was central to this failure. The statistics of deaths per million in the USA tell us that the USA has handled it badly. Nearly three times worse than Canada, worse than nearly all European countries. History will have to judge the USA's huge number of unnecessary deaths very harshly indeed, and I cannot think there is any more damning indictment of a leader than helping ensure tens, even hundreds of thousands of their own citizens go to an early grave.
The final note about Trump is that he will potentially face charges when he leaves office, particularly for fraud, and possibly obstruction of justice. If he is found guilty of fraud, this cannot help but colour his presidency as presidency as well, because it will cement the perception of his venality. He could of course pardon himself (or hand over to Pence for just as long as it takes for Pence to pardon him), but I think history would judge that just as badly.
As others have said, we won't see Biden causing the many big disasters Trump did, just the occasional ordinary ones PotUSes always do.
OTOH, he's in a bad position, Trump has left him with quite the mess the clean up (or more likely, fail to clean up, and that's going to be partly his own fault). In particular, the US's international reputation. Nobody should really trust the US government to want to play well with others for a long time. Not because of some "America First at the expense of others" ideology, that's hardly unusual, but because the US has shown it will elect someone that will work against it's partner's interests when it's also against their own interest to do so.
Not just in pointless wars (I agree that the US gets involved in too many of those, though Trump was quite keen on bombings lets not forget), but in matters of trade and diplomacy which are essential to the US.
Given how the Trump era seems to be ending for America its interesting to speculate about Trump's place in history.
Its very likely that historians will be incredibly harsh with Trump. Demagogues in general rarely get positive depictions in the history books and Trump being such a cartoon character makes him a very easy target. The unhinged attempts to deny his defeat isn't going to help his reputation either.
Trump likely won't be listed as the definitive worst president because Buchanan exist. Unless Trump really does push America into a civil war Buchanan will likely always be worse for having done so. On the other hand if Harding owes his ranking as one of the worst president due to his extreme corruption, then it makes sense that an equally and far more openly corrupt president will be judged similarly harshly. Harding mostly enriching his cronies and his personal involvement not always being clear might even reflect very favorably compared to Trump using the presidency to directly enrich himself and his family.
Its interesting to note that Trump shares traits with many of the worst president.
-Like Buchanan he stoked civil tensions to incredibly dangerous levels
-Like Harding he's extremely corrupt
-Like Hoover Trump responded inadequately to a global catastrophy with death and suffering as the result
-Like Andrew Johnson Trump was racist, impeached and completely unwilling to work with the opposition
So while Trump might not go in the history books as the worst its very likely he will be presented as the archetype of the abysmal president because his flaws are so numerous and bombastic. Men like Harding and Buchanan are easily forgotten by the laymen but Trump's style will ensure he'll likely be a very memorable president, and entirely to his detriment.
Its very likely that historians will be incredibly harsh with Trump. Demagogues in general rarely get positive depictions in the history books and Trump being such a cartoon character makes him a very easy target. The unhinged attempts to deny his defeat isn't going to help his reputation either.
Trump likely won't be listed as the definitive worst president because Buchanan exist. Unless Trump really does push America into a civil war Buchanan will likely always be worse for having done so. On the other hand if Harding owes his ranking as one of the worst president due to his extreme corruption, then it makes sense that an equally and far more openly corrupt president will be judged similarly harshly. Harding mostly enriching his cronies and his personal involvement not always being clear might even reflect very favorably compared to Trump using the presidency to directly enrich himself and his family.
Its interesting to note that Trump shares traits with many of the worst president.
-Like Buchanan he stoked civil tensions to incredibly dangerous levels
-Like Harding he's extremely corrupt
-Like Hoover Trump responded inadequately to a global catastrophy with death and suffering as the result
-Like Andrew Johnson Trump was racist, impeached and completely unwilling to work with the opposition
So while Trump might not go in the history books as the worst its very likely he will be presented as the archetype of the abysmal president because his flaws are so numerous and bombastic. Men like Harding and Buchanan are easily forgotten by the laymen but Trump's style will ensure he'll likely be a very memorable president, and entirely to his detriment.
The qanon shit needs to die, it's beyond insidious with how it deflects away from actual predators, yet seems to be catching on over here with new mothers harbouring emotional vulnerabilities amongst other various factors. Also
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QAnon is supposed to be all about protecting kids. Its primary enabler appears to have hosted child porn domains.
Archives document Jim Watkins' links to domains suggestive of underage sexual material.
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A holding pattern for 4 years with a couple of small victories here and there. Nothing spectacular either way. Sorry dude, but Biden is not the reincarnation of Stalin that so many on the right try to paint him as. He's just another milquetoast establishment Democrat.
Honestly, I'm more excited about the higher concentration of progressives in the House now. Four reps with high media profiles and progressive platforms is good. Eight is better.
As much as I would love to see the MAGA shitheads disappear, the reality is they are all still around. BBQ, BEER, FREEDOM - Man is still out there, rambling out insanity, and millions like him as well. I guarantee you that fox news is already running news pieces with titles like "The Road to the White House 2024" or "Rescuing America 2024", and are actively grooming their base to further levels of idiocy in preparation of next election.It was inevitable.
An incompetent baboon. Nothing else really needs to be said. Considering the sour mood the bit©h-in-the-boxstand is, he deserves far worse. Him, the leader of China, the airline companies, and GameStop corporate are all greedy douchebags or insecure dicks that want to look powerful, but come off as completely inept and up and full of themselves. You idiots made the Earth worse than it needed to be with this pandemic, because neither of you could do your job. Go to hell and take your "friends" with you!
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It's gonna depend. When he takes office, does it keel going up? Because I'll be on the criticising train.
Also, how many infections per day while Biden inherit. 120k? 150k? 200k? It will be the middle of winter