I'm happy for those that got something to represent themselves, but I am still not buying your crappy call of duty game, Activision! You can still go fuck yourselves for all the crap you've pulled.
New Call of Duty game let's players be Non-binary
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No, unless the game explicitly makes it clear that this is not "the hidden story behind the history you know", but is in fact "a totally new history that you don't know", then I have no reason to believe that it's an alternate universe, especially when everything that canonically happens, happens according to recorded history.
Oh, so the Cold War never happened?
Stop feigning ignorance. Stop pretending you don't know what an alternate universe is and what makes a story an alternate universe, and what doesn't.
If you really don't know how to distinguish these types of stories from others, don't attempt to argue with me about it.
Stop trying to feign ignorance on it yourself. You're pitching a fit that they aren't saying it's alternate history, when you know damn well none of the shit that a game developer like EA is going to churn out is going to be historically accurate? You think they actually give a shit about accurately portraying ANYTHING that went on in that era? Get fucking real. You think what, they've got some secret intel on what "really happened" in the cold war era? Fucking please. It's a bullshit story and you know it. And the fact that you are whining about them not declaring it so, as a thinly veiled excuse for you to ***** about them putting what you call "propoganda" into it is laughable.
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But they do, Mr.I've-never-played-a-CoD-so-I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about. They portray real figures and real events accurately (allowing for artistic license and game mechanics, of course). McNamara, Regean. JFK. Castro. Real people. Real events. "The secret story behind the history you know".
No, I think they're telling a fictional "story behind the history you know". That does not mean "everything is fictional and anything can happen". They're intentionally restricted not diverging from REAL HISTORY, because to do otherwise would cause them to shift genres. This is also the reason why the protagonist doesn't have laser-eye beams or a magic wand, because that wouldn't fit the genre.
I'm not just making all this up. This is already an established thing that you're apparently hearing about for the first time. I'm honored to have the privilege to teach you about this:
Secret history - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Go read that, and then come back and apologize to me.
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But they do, Mr.I've-never-played-a-CoD-so-I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about. They portray real figures and real events accurately (allowing for artistic license and game mechanics, of course). McNamara, Regean. JFK. Castro. Real people. Real events. "The secret story behind the history you know".
No, I think they're telling a fictional "story behind the history you know". That does not mean "everything is fictional and anything can happen". They're intentionally restricted not diverging from REAL HISTORY, because to do otherwise would cause them to shift genres. This is also the reason why the protagonist doesn't have laser-eye beams or a magic wand, because that wouldn't fir the genre.
I'm not just making all this up. This is already an established thing that you're apparently hearing about for the first time. I'm honored to have the privilege to teach you about this:
Secret history - Wikipedia
Go read that, and then come back and apologize to me.
So you have no rebuttal, and you think I just fabricated the Secret History wikipedia page and it's history since beginning to argue this topic. Noted.
Why do you use "noted" like it's some sort of "got em" point?
As the video above says, everything you've said in this thread has been absolutely utter nonsense. And the fact that a real person not only had the thought, but also the follow through to post it online makes me afraid for the human race.
No video game, EVER, should have to warn people that the content within is fiction. In fact the opposite should be true. The game should have a notice that the following events "are based on true stories" if such a game has such a story. But none (or very few) do. Therefore only a mindless five-year-old could possible confuse what happens in a video game as having any merits on reality to them.
That you want to label a stupid menu option as "propaganda" further proves to me and everyone on this forum just how crazy bias you are towards absolutely nothing.
Keep your crazy shit to your fucking self please. Adults are trying to have a discussion.
Carl Sagan believed civilization would begin to fall when people were no longer able to differentiate fact from fiction. Turns out he was also precognitive.
Ooooh, and THERE we have it! The wonderful get out of jail free card that EVERY artist uses to justify when they take a hatchet to history and pull shit right out of their ass! ARTISTIC LICENSE everybody!! A phrase so notorious with "this shit isn't accurate" that it's as bad as "based on a true story" for how much of a red flag it is for historical inaccuracy! I don't have to portray events correctly, artistic license!! I can make up fictional characters in REAL people's lives that had no bearing on the actual events that made them historically relevant! Artistic license!! I can depict people who have living relatives who often complain about completely fabricated depictions of their relatives in historical dramas any way I want! Artistic license!
I'm just letting you know that I'm acknowledging your non-contributions to this discussion.
Yes, you can claim that, but since you don't have any actual arguments to back it up, or any actual rebuttals to the arguments I present, I don't think it counts for much.
I'm not saying that it should. Please try to read more carefully.
If you can't tolerate the opinions of others, then maybe these forums aren't right for you. Seems like you'd do better in a "safe space" or an "echo-chamber".
Do you have a point?
Have you finished perusing that "Secret history" page or are you still working on it?
May want to tilt your head forward a little there, bro. You're looking so far down your nose at everyone else you're going to fuck up your neck.
I see what you did there.
But actually, that's not quite what I mean by that statement. What i mean, is that the option is unopposing. It's just included and there is no fan fare about it, it has just as much space on the gender selection list as the other options. It's included and it's not special, because it shouldn't be. It's simply there and included like everything else. Perfect, equal.
Me and other people have already made points that you've continued to ignore. And then when someone calls you out on your opinion making absolutely no sense, you simply post things like "noted" and "do you have a point?". Which let's face it, is basically the forum equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?"
Now unless you want to bring a real reason as to why the inclusion of the term "non-binary" in a character creation menu, is a REAL problem, then i suggest you stop. Because the "buuuuut it's not historically accurate!" complaint has been done before and it's no more valid now than it was when Battlefield V was a thing. Historical accuracy has absolutely zero relevance to this being a good or bad include in the game.
That'll be easier to do when it's normalized. As it is, allowing trans or enby player characters is remarkable because of how uncommon it is and every time it comes up, a section of the market are so offended that they send developers death threats. Give it another 10 years or so and offering those sorts of options will be so standard everyone will just take it for granted.
Another baseless claim. What points have I ignored?
You mean "when someone makes a baseless claim that your opinion makes no sense?" Yes.
If you have an argument to make, make it. If you have a rebuttal, deliver it. Otherwise, you get the bare minimum from me.
What do mean by a "REAL" problem? You mean a REAL problem like poverty, riots, terrorism? No, of course it isn't close to any of these things.
I only said that, in my opinion, it's propaganda, and is disrespectful. I never made any claims about this being a "REAL problem".
Like I said, please read more carefully.
I think that historical accuracy has a lot of relevance to something being respectful or disrespectful, or whether or not it can be called propaganda.
For example, if you are diminishing the hardships or accomplishments of real people, even in a work of fiction, that would be disrespectful. For example, "females and non-binary people have always been accepted as equals in the CIA" would be both disrespectful and propaganda, in my opinion.
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Let me looks at this that is great. Doesn't effect me nothing CoD stopped being my thing a while ago and Modern Warfare keeps trying to be the only game I play and I have commitment issues. Which I do lay out up front so I don't string nobody along.
And what is that people getting bum rustle over this on the internet ya don't say.
And what is that people getting bum rustle over this on the internet ya don't say.
Wait so it is actual historical fact that JFK. Castro, McNamara and Nixon were just kicking it in the white house then zombies attacked.
This secret history stuff is hype as shit.
Ok, this is so bullshit. We are talking about a game where you go into KGB headquarters and kill everyone there, and has one of it's endings results in the nuclear destruction of Europe. All of it. And not only that, this game is an alternate reality to it's own previously established narrative. That ending I just mentioned? It also has you kill characters that are supposed to be alive in 20-whatever the fuck blops 2 takes place in.