New Call of Duty game let's players be Non-binary

[hanselthecaretaker]

That's pretty tragic. But examples of failed due diligence/ malpractice/ improper regulation or vetting don't invalidate the principle, just as examples of surgical malpractice don't invalidate the principle that heart surgery is sometimes necessary and lifesaving. The fact remains that GSR has the highest success rate among all the approaches that've been implemented.

Spoiler: Again

A comment from the clip,

San Francisco Love
I’m all for people being who they want to be but hear me out. I was a total tomboy. I cried if I was made to wear a dress. I cut my hair short without telling my parents. I wore flannel shirts and boots to school. I built tree houses and ripped off Barbie heads. I ONLY wanted to hang with boys. I didn’t tell my mom about my period for months. I cried when I had to wear girl cloths(my mom paid me to do so for a funeral) Then I started getting hips. Boys started wanting to hang with me because I was cute. And then I realized skirts looked cute on me. If I grew up in this day and age with the wrong parents, I would have been transgender. As a kid, I would have begged for it. Children don’t know who they are yet.

Last statement is key, and there’s no way to dress it up or down.

Sex-change treatment for kids on the rise

Growing number of children - as young as 4 - who think they were born wrong sex getting support, sex change operations

www.cbsnews.com

It’s just baffling that in this day and age when we can map the genome our methods of treatment for these issues aren’t much better than they might’ve been a century ago. If they really were, then detransitioning wouldn’t need to be a thing. It’s like, we now know that lobotomies were the wrong way to go about treating mental illnesses, so to still think that knives and scalpels are the solution to treating other issues that originate in the head isn’t saying much for actual progress.

 

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[TheMysteriousGX]

Sex-change treatment for kids on the rise

Growing number of children - as young as 4 - who think they were born wrong sex getting support, sex change operations

www.cbsnews.com

It’s just baffling that in this day and age when we can map the genome our methods of treatment for these issues aren’t much better than they might’ve been a century ago. If they really were, then detransitioning wouldn’t need to be a thing. It’s like, we now know that lobotomies were the wrong way to go about treating mental illnesses, so to still think that knives and scalpels are the solution to treating other issues that originate in the head isn’t saying much for actual progress.

Nobody's using scalpels on kids. Read your own article

 

[Houseman]

Just like most every psychiatrist wouldn't just hand you antipsychotics, mood stabilizers or anxiolytics just because you asked

I've heard that in some places, doctors hand out hormone blockers just for the asking, and that due to the laws against conversion therapy, they can't attempt to talk you out of it. It's from that controversial book that was temporarily banned from Target.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You can hear a lot of stupid things on the internet, like how the earth is flat and direct flights from Australia to southeastern Africa are fake and don't actually exist

 

[Trunkage]

You can hear a lot of stupid things on the internet, like how the earth is flat and direct flights from Australia to southeastern Africa are fake and don't actually exist

Wait.. those flights aren't fake. I can finally fly to AFRICA!

Shit. Covid has shut everything down

 

[Houseman]

You can hear a lot of stupid things on the internet, like how the earth is flat and direct flights from Australia to southeastern Africa are fake and don't actually exist

Like the last sentence says, it was in a book, the book that was temporarily banned from Target. It's on pages 120 and 121. 19 states have laws against "conversion therapy".

The book is called "Irreversible Damage"

 

[Trunkage]

Like the last sentence says, it was in a book, the book that was temporarily banned from Target. It's on pages 120 and 121. 19 states have laws against "conversion therapy".

The book is called "Irreversible Damage"

Oh, Shrier. What a wonderful human being she is

 

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[stroopwafel]

Statements like these should fall based on how they fly in the face of some basic facts. The most important being that a MD is responsible for whatever they prescribe and prescribing restricted medication without a proper preceding diagnostic procedure opens them up to malpractice charges and runs the risk of their license being revoked. Second it flies straight in the face of medical ethics to just hand out restricted medication because the patient want it and without a discussion about treatment options and alternatives.

Obviously, even idiots can become MDs and there will always be isolated cases of everything (in Sweden we had a case a few years back of a retired MD who prescribed any narcotics classed medication you wanted if you paid them a nominal fee), but your example is such a flagrant breach of laws, ethics and medical guidelines that it simply can't be systemic.

True that, but undeniably the Zeitgeist conditions people one way or the other. Sex changes are commonly accepted now and pushed into a pervasive ideological narrative with widespread (social) media exposure. MD's and other kind of professional people also tend to be neutral/pragmatic to a fault. As such, you can't really dig deeper than what the patient is telling them as arguing against this would also mean taking a stance in a much larger debate. You also have potential public exposure that most MD's/professional people also strongly dislike, espescially when they need to defend themselves. Then then there are also the time contstraints that inhibit any deep probing into someone's sociopsychological development. Espescially when there is no such outward issue. So every consideration is kind of in favor of the explanation and solution(ie sex change) of the patient.

No doubt some people are born in the 'wrong body' and it's good there are now gender assignment options so they can live happier, more fulfilling lives but the disproportionate amount of attention this gets also has an alluring effect on people with other issues not really of that nature. Young people wrestling with their emotional development on the cusp of puberty, the maturation of the sense of self and disorentation about being unable to conform to gender stereotypes aren't new. But what is new is this complete normalization of sex change which becomes a filter through which these feelings are projected. That I think is what can lead young, vulnerable people on the wrong track that they might ultimately regret. That MD's can fish those people out is something I definitely doubt. So in that light the rise in sex changes is definitely a worrying trend.

 

[Trunkage]

pushed into a pervasive ideological narrative

 

[stroopwafel]

You deny identity politics and SJW-culture exists? Ok then.

 

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[stroopwafel]

I know we (as in the collective forum) has been over this before, but I think it bears going over again since a lot of people don't really seem to understand how this works:
1. Someone feels they have some form of gender dysphoria, they get in touch with healthcare in some fashion (school nurse, general practitioner, counselor etc.) and this first line professional makes a quick assessment of the person's problems as to ensure it isn't something "easier" (like depression, social circumstances or psychological trauma) to deal with. If they believe it might be gender dysphoria or some other psychiatric issue that can't be treated at an ordinary outpatient clinic they'll send a referral to a psychiatric outpatient clinic.
2. At the psychiatric outpatient clinic (incidentally where I was in this chain when I worked with outpatients) a psychiatrist makes a deeper, more thorough assessment of the person's mental health. At this stage you might also initiate any evaluation or diagnostic procedures needed to rule out differential diagnosis, such as a neuropsychiatric evaluation, personality evaluations etc.. If the psychiatrist feels that gender dysphoria is still a plausible diagnosis, they can at this point apply the diagnosis provisionally as they refer the patient to a gender correction clinic.
3. At the gender correction clinic (after A TON of waiting, they tend to have waiting lists that stretch for years) a group of specialized psychiatric professionals, including psychiatrists, psychologists, nurses and counselors, will then make a deeper and much more comprehensive gender dysphoria evaluation that looks at not just the person's mental health but physical health (paying special attention to hormones and endocrinal diseases), social circumstances and childhood. This usually takes somewhere in the vicinity of half a year and after that they'll deliver a clinical assessment and recommendation.
4. If their assessment is that the person suffers gender dysphoria and that gender transitioning is a suggested or preferred treatment (and the person accepts, obviously) they will then proceed to prescribe and administer the full set of medication that is needed and start the long process of transitioning.
5. During this process the transitioning person leaves blood samples each or every other week to ensure that no severe complications arise from the change in endocrinal balance in the body and that no severe side effects arise.
6. Somewhere after 1,5-2 years of hormonal and medical therapy the person is ready to have gender corrective surgery. This is not really the end point, most go on with medical therapy for quite some time, but this is where the "official" transition occurs in terms of listed biological sex.

Why write all this? To point out that healthcare professionals understand the risks of being "too liberal" with gender correction therapies and the dangers of misdiagnosing autism, GAD or recidiv depressions as gender dysphoria. No one is going to go to their GP and get a full hormone treatment package after 15 minutes of sit down, because the GP isn't allowed to prescribe them in most countries (much like how central stimulants used for ADHD treatment is restricted to prescription from psychiatrists in many countries) and even if they were, they wouldn't have the necessary experience or ability to follow up on the treatment. There's a ton of fail safes in this process for a reason, because we don't want ordinary teenage identity problems to be confused with and treated like severe mental disorders.

Our job is to ensure that you get the correct treatment for your disease, even if you disagree with us about what that disease is.

That is much more thorough than what I expected. Thanks for explaining.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I think we are off track at this point. This isnt really the place to debate the validity or the true origins of transgenderism and nothing will really convince either side anyway.

So unless you folks have points to make that somehow make the dumbass option in a Call of Duty game more or less meaningful, then lets shut this one down.

I appreciate that we've a been civil thus far even with opinions that have swung heavily on either side. That's been wonderful. But this is the video game forum and the discussion doesnt really fit here.

If you like you can move the talk to another part of the forum.

 

[BrawlMan]

I think we are off track at this point. This isnt really the place to debate the validity or the true origins of transgenderism and nothing will really convince either side anyway.

So unless you folks have points to make that somehow make the dumbass option in a Call of Duty game more or less meaningful, then lets shut this one down.

I appreciate that we've a been civil thus far even with opinions that have swung heavily on either side. That's been wonderful. But this is the video game forum and the discussion doesnt really fit here.

If you like you can move the talk to another part of the forum.

Thank God! This was getting way beyond ridiculous. I really wish the site had an option similar to easy allies where you could ignore a thread. they literally have a option where you go into the topic and you can press the ignore button and you can ignore the entire thing. It's why I usually set ground rules in my topics.

 

[Agema]

Whateverstan McRussiaburg

McRussiagrad, surely?

Like I said in the other thread, I'm of the opinion that injecting ideals that weren't present into a historical time period is propaganda. Personally, I find it disrespectful of the people that lived it, as if they can just pretend that things were as they are now.

If I thought the average person who voiced this sort of opinion was capable of equitably assessing all the period authenticity I wouldn't mind so much, but what it almost invariably means is that they want as much a fantasy vision past as the the one offered to them, just that the breaches in accuracy serve their preconceptions instead of other people's.

 

[Houseman]

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You live in Sweden, not one of the 19 US states in which "conversion therapy" is illegal. The author of the book is not writing about your country.

Look at this:

That's the reality here in America.

I think we are off track at this point. This isnt really the place to debate the validity or the true origins of transgenderism and nothing will really convince either side anyway.

So unless you folks have points to make that somehow make the dumbass option in a Call of Duty game more or less meaningful, then lets shut this one down.

I appreciate that we've a been civil thus far even with opinions that have swung heavily on either side. That's been wonderful. But this is the video game forum and the discussion doesnt really fit here.

If you like you can move the talk to another part of the forum.

You're not the boss of me!

It's why I usually set ground rules in my topics.

Which are nothing but sound and fury, signifying nothing, because you have no power to enforce your made-up rules.

If I thought the average person who voiced this sort of opinion was capable of equitably assessing all the period authenticity I wouldn't mind so much, but what it almost invariably means is that they want as much a fantasy vision past as the the one offered to them, just that the breaches in accuracy serve their preconceptions instead of other people's.

So, you're not engaging with the idea that such an inclusion would be propaganda, you're just dismissing it out of hand because you're assured that there must be some kind of double-standard since people who complain about this don't complain equally about every other historically inaccurate thing. That's disappointing.

 

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[hanselthecaretaker]

Nobody's using scalpels on kids. Read your own article

His clinic has worked with local surgeons who've done breast removal surgery on girls at age 16...

16 was still "kid" age last I checked.


Anyways, to reiterate -

Children with gender dysphoria no longer have to seek court approval to undergo surgery - ABC News
The Family Court has decided it will no longer intervene in cases where children with gender dysphoria have the permission of their parents and treating doctors to undergo surgery.

The ruling has cleared the way for one teenager who is transitioning from female to male to undergo a double mastectomy as a treatment for gender dysphoria.