Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Houseman

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Are you simply not counting the actual Americans who make up the army?
No I'm not counting them, for reasons that should be obvious, such as it was their choice to join the army in the first place unless they were drafted.

Or perhaps you'd simply like to as Native American tribes if they feel like the US army has a history of mistreatment?
If you're scared of army men because your ancestors fought them, that's your personal, irrational, phobia.

That's like a black person being scared of boats or auctions because of the slave trade. One's inability to let go of stories of the past is not a valid grievance.

maybe Kent State when the Ohio National Guard
The guy I spoke to specifically mentioned the national guard and said he didn't have a lot of faith in them.
 

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Why should we trust an organisation which has been guilty of grotesquely, criminally mistreating anyone? Should we trust them more because they've heretofore only murdered people far away, where they had greater opportunity?
Because, and these are the reasons given by the guy I talked to:

- They would not lie for their higher-ups. If they see something wrong, they are trained to say something about it. There is no equivalent concept of "the blue wall of silence" and covering for the mistakes of others.
- Intentionally committing fraud would mean you're getting punished, military style. Justice will be swift instead of these "no standing, case dismissed on technicality, we don't have authority to do anything" courts.

Should we trust them more because they've heretofore only murdered people far away, where they had greater opportunity?
Yes. Because that, in their mind is "the enemy". We are not.
Kind of like how cops turning their guns on other cops and soldiers intentionally turning their guns on other soldiers is not a very pressing concern, because they aren't the enemy.

So why should we trust random Alice, Bob, and Charlie to run our elections? What makes them more trustworthy? What do you know about them? Nothing, right?
 

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So just shameless no relation to reality at all. Got it. Thanks for making it clear the distance between your beliefs and the real world. I knew it was a huge gap, I just didn't know "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the arm" had to be accommodated for as an actual belief and not an embarrassing misunderstanding of history.
 

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"No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army."
>Are you simply not counting the actual Americans who make up the army?
<No I'm not counting them, for reasons that should be obvious, such as it was their choice to join the army in the first place unless they were drafted.
>So just shameless no relation to reality at all. Got it.
<That's not an argument.
 

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"No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army"
Did you or did you not say this? And I will remind you that you did:
>Are you simply not counting the actual Americans who make up the army?
<No I'm not counting them, for reasons that should be obvious, such as it was their choice to join the army in the first place unless they were drafted.
>So just shameless no relation to reality at all. Got it.
<That's not an argument.

In other news:


Thankfully you have me to provide up-to-the-minute coverage of these things that the MSM won't tell you.
 
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So you admit you live in a reality where the statement "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army." is true, and you expect anyone ever again to believe anything you ever say? This is your understanding of the world, this is a statement you've made and stand behind. You're on record this is something you hold to be true.
 

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So you admit you live in a reality where the statement "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army." is true, and you expect anyone ever again to believe anything you ever say? This is your understanding of the world, this is a statement you've made and stand behind. You're on record this is something you hold to be true.
#FAKENEWS
 

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So you admit you live in a reality where the statement "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army." is true
I clarified that I was excluding those who served. Your insistence on ignoring that clarification is not an argument.
 

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So you admit it. Thank you. Everything you post from here on out will be with the context you think the sentence "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army." is true, be they enlisted or civilian.

This did not happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radiation_experiments#Experiments_performed_in_the_United_States

And this did not happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

And this did not happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAD#Medical_Studies

And this did not happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC

And none of this happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uneth...ion_in_the_United_States#Chemical_experiments

You admit none of these events happened, its all fake, and the phrase "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army." is true.
 

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you think the sentence "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army." is true, be they enlisted or civilian.
I clarified that I was excluding those who served. Your insistence on ignoring that clarification is not an argument.
 

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And I have posted multiple articles citing the US army harming American civilians.
I know, just making sure that you recognize the distinction between those we were part of the army, and those who weren't.
Because it seems like you don't.
I say "excluding those who served" and you say "be they enlisted or civilian", which makes it seem like you didn't read what I wrote.

So, now that it's established that we're just talking about civilians:
Being sprayed with bacteria or compounds is not the kind of "mistreatment" that would make people be afraid of soldiers and stay away from the polls. It is not relevant.

Oh, hey, you know what I just realized? Why should soldiers at the polls be a problem anyway? You all believe in mail-in voting, don't you? So then why not just stay home and vote? That way you don't have to come face-to-face with any intimidating people? Weird how quickly you all forgot about absentee ballots when it suited you, huh?
 

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Being sprayed with bacteria or compounds is not the kind of "mistreatment" that would make people be afraid of soldiers and stay away from the polls.
That is not what you claimed. What you claimed was "No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army."
So which is it, are you now retracting your statement or are you claiming none of the articles I posted happened? You can't move the goal post to retroactively claim you were arguing something different.
 
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